Those who believe the perfect in 1 Cor 13:10 refers to the 2nd coming...

[Carl Emerson]

Sorry friend - been busy...

Viva Christo Rey was filmed back in the 70's and documented a mission outreach that began in the 60's in Juarez, Mexico near El Paso.

 

[Guojing]

Mr. G - I didn't say that I don't get feedback from any healing. Any reader can see this. I have been honest with you, I would have hoped that could be reciprocated.

So when I say I don't always get feedback (Jesus didn't either) you assume there was no healing.

Do you understand my statement that "you have not experienced praying for someone to be healed, but the healing did not take place"?

It is clearly does not mean "I don't always get feedback (Jesus didn't either) you assume there was no healing"

Instead I am saying you are claiming a 100% success rate when you pray to others for healing, since, from the feedback that you did receive, there was always healing.

The problem I have is that your theology dictates that my ministry has to be sham if gifts are claimed to be operating.

I am hardly saying that. If you claim healing gifts are operating in your ministry, I am totally fine with that claim. Anyone can claim anything they want on Internet forums.

 

[Guojing]

Mr. G - I didn't say that I don't get feedback from any healing. Any reader can see this.

What I actually said was "If you don't get feedback of any healing not taking place after you prayed for them"

You understand the difference between our 2 statements?

 

[Carl Emerson]

I think honesty is very important. If I don't get feedback all of the time how can I agree with you about any level of success.

At the same time I have seen remarkable instantaneous healing and healing that takes weeks or even months.

 

[Carl Emerson]

If you claim healing gifts are operating in your ministry, I am totally fine with that claim. Anyone can claim anything they want on Internet forums.

I thought you said you were a cessationist?

 

[Guojing]

I think honesty is very important. If I don't get feedback all of the time how can I agree with you about any level of success.

At the same time I have seen remarkable instantaneous healing and healing that takes weeks or even months.

1. You only get feedback of your successes.
2. You don't get feedback of any failures

Therefore you don't get feedback of any healing not taking place after you prayed for them

That conclusion follows from those 2 premises.

 

[Guojing]

I thought you said you were a cessationist?

My views has nothing to do with what others choose to claim on the Internet.

 

[Carl Emerson]

My views has nothing to do with what others choose to claim on the Internet.

Really - I find that hard to beleive.

 

[Carl Emerson]

1. You only get feedback of your successes.
2. You don't get feedback of any failures

Therefore you don't get feedback of any healing not taking place after you prayed for them

That conclusion follows from those 2 premises.

Your assumptions are untrue.

Jesus did not get feedback from 9 out of ten lepers who were healed.

 

[Guojing]

Your assumptions are untrue.

Jesus did not get feedback from 9 out of ten lepers who were healed.

But the 2 premises are what you have stated for yourself.

 

[Guojing]

Really - I find that hard to beleive.

Just because I have my own doctrine does not mean other people with opposing doctrines must therefore be incorrect.

The world does not revolve around what I believe in.

 

[Carl Emerson]

But the 2 premises are what you have stated for yourself.

Not so, sadly you seem to be playing some word game -

I have been open with you - honestly....

I'm not interested in some weird word exchange.

Have a great day.

 

[Guojing]

Not so, sadly you seem to be playing some word game -

I have been open with you - honestly....

I'm not interested in some weird word exchange.

Have a great day.

Those who believe the perfect in 1 Cor 13:10 refers to the 2nd coming...

So healing always takes place when you pray? You have a 100% success rate? Jesus didn't! Mark 6:5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. Look up the Greek for mighty work!

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Do you even remember what you wrote?

 

[Carl Emerson]

A little mutual respect would go a long way.

 

[Guojing]

A little mutual respect would go a long way.

I have not made any disrespectful remarks in any of my posts.

If I did, do point them out and explain why you consider them disrespectful.

 

[Postvieww]

Just because I have my own doctrine does not mean other people with opposing doctrines must therefore be incorrect.

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

 

[Receivedgrace]

Mr. G - I didn't say that I don't get feedback from any healing. Any reader can see this. I have been honest with you, I would have hoped that could be reciprocated.

So when I say I don't always get feedback (Jesus didn't either) you assume there was no healing.

The problem I have is that your theology dictates that my ministry has to be sham if gifts are claimed to be operating.

So I am engaged in conversation with a strong position of unbelief.

I might add that I have never made claim of operating in a gift for one simple reason - I don't want to draw attention to myself.

Do my oversight consider there are gifts operating ? Yes.

As I prefer to give all honour to God I don't talk about gifts.

I might add that I have waited 40 years before being released to talk about my ministry at all.

Sorry we don't connect well sadly - theologies can bring division to the Body of Christ.

My immediate oversight has a PhD in theology so this doesn't have to be the case.

Doctrine is eternal gifts are temporary. 1 Cor 13:8 is speaking to the completion of the NT. It addresses only three gifts which are sign gifts. There is no admonition in scripture that any of the other Holy Spirit gifts end.

I am disturbed that you want to rely on your experience and a PhD to support your ministry. I would be concerned that scripture does not well favor what you have claimed as a ministry. I can safely state that all the RC priests claim support for their doctrinal errors from a long list of PhDs in their church.

Unless we have a scriptural basis there can be no unity.

The Son of God is identified as the Word of God.

 

[Guojing]

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Doctrine is not equivalent to prophecy, so wrong application. But I can see why you like this verse since you have already deemed my doctrine as false.

For me, I would rather apply Romans 14:5 here

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

 

[Guojing]

I am disturbed that you want to rely on your experience and a PhD to support your ministry. I would be concerned that scripture does not well favor what you have claimed as a ministry. I can safely state that all the RC priests claim support for their doctrinal errors from a long list of PhDs in their church.

Ahh, I had difficulty understanding what he was trying to say with his "My immediate oversight has a PhD in theology so this doesn't have to be the case."

So that was what he meant. Thanks for clarifying

 

[Postvieww]

Doctrine is not equivalent to prophecy, so wrong application. But I can see why you like this verse since you have already deemed my doctrine as false.

For me, I would rather apply Romans 14:5 here

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Many that take the position presented on this thread equate prophecy to preaching and preaching envolves doctrine, so I think the application applies. Nevertheless you claimed to have your own doctrine which IMO is a bold claim to say least and is not supported by scripture. “Personal doctrine “ as presented on this topic is without scriptural merit and is false based on the clear wording of scripture.I have no doubt your mind is persuaded but to persuade others of a scriptural false hood is another matter.