And you....we're both white even if only one of us is ashamed of it lol.
Again, I don't know where you get this idea that I'm somehow ashamed of being white. It's not like I did anything one way or another to be white, so to me it's the same as being left-handed, having brown hair, etc. These aren't things to be ashamed of. They just sort of are as they are.
You could find faith in any other religion tomorrow and any hate towards Christians would not apply to you.
And you and Scott Adams could read different poll results. What's the point in pointing this out? Things are as they are, and simply pointing out that different circumstances could lead to different outcomes is not illuminating, especially when again the point is that it is within your power how you choose to react regardless of what some poll says.
Till the day you die though....you are white. This is what makes racism so particularly awful...along with any hatred towards immutable characteristics.
For sure. I just don't agree that 25% or whatever percent answering a loaded question on a poll in a certain way is indicative of discrimination against me, or white people more generally. My identity is not wrapped up in how people answer "Is it OK to be white?", because I (like others who have responded) consider that question illegitimate in the first place. It's the conservative pollster's equivalent of a double-bind: answer in the affirmative, and you are "All Lives Matter"-ing your way around the issue (which, despite what people who think they're being clever seem to believe, is not an effective answer to the question); answer in the negative, and you get Scott Adams upset...well, Scott Adams and you, and everyone else who treats the Washington Examiner as a reliable source on the current state of race relations in the United States.
I don't. The racists do though. And those self hating white liberals.
You're the one in this conversation claiming that Scott Adams said nothing wrong, so I'm not sure what to make of this claim. I guess if these are really our only two choices, then it's better to me to be 'self-hating' than to be 'other-people hating'. Self-reproach can at least be
sometimes put to good ends, so long as it doesn't become pathological and weird.
That was the question I had originally asked, several replies ago.
You literally reacted the same as Adams.
Adams is saying white people should stay away from black people because X% in this poll he read say it's not okay to be white, therefore black people are a hate group. I am saying I don't go out of my way to try to force people who don't want to talk to me to do so. If you can't tell the difference between these two stances, then you're simply too committed to your idea that Adams is presenting a reasonable reaction to read properly. They're not the same reaction at all. I'm not basing my approach to others on skin color, or on the results of a poll, but on how I would like to be treated (I don't want to be forced into conversations with anyone that I don't want to have, either), and I'm not saying what anyone who happens to share my skin color should do, or calling an entire segment of society a hate group for not wanting to talk to me.
Right and Adams is done helping those black people who hate him and giving them space.
You agree....so why are you so worked up over this?
Adams, like yourself, can do or think whatever he wants. I was not aware that responding to the topic of the thread as I originally had meant I was "all worked up" over it. I think Adams is a racist idiot, but it's not like I'm protesting outside of his house or something. Haha.
How would so many openly racist black people not matter?
Because again, I don't think their responding to a loaded question is evidence of racism. It's evidence of a question that is designed to evoke a response which can then be characterized in a certain way. (Hence the 'loaded' part.)
If 25% of white people were openly racist....would that matter lol? I could have sworn people like you despised racism. You seem pretty cool with it when it's aimed at white people lol.
Thanks for the free personality reading.
What argument? Seems pretty clear we both understand where you are on this issue lol.
I don't see what point you're making here.
I don't think I need to go into your history.
I'm glad you've made your decision, after several posts of vaguely threatening (?) to expose me as...having opinions on things. Hahaha.
Black people can assume racism is the cause and result of everything.
Who claimed they're doing that? You? Because I don't recall saying anything like that, but maybe this is one of those things like how I supposedly agree with Scott Adams despite not realizing that I'm doing so by not wanting to bug people.
White people find actual examples of racism? You think they shouldn't take it personally.
Uh huh. When it happens to white people, it's
actual racism; when it happens to black people, they're just
assuming that racism is the cause and result of everything.
Sorry, you identified yourself as white. They are talking about you. It doesn't matter to them that you aren't particularly fond of white people. They hate you as much as me.
Okay. The difference being that you seem to really,
really care about this 25 or whatever percent of people who responded to a poll question in a way you find objectionable. I don't. You're saying it's hate, whereas I think it's a loaded question to begin with. Again, it's about reactions. You're going the Scott Adams route where this all says something very deep and alarming about black people and how much 'they hate us', but that's not the only way to read the situation. So...sorry for not reacting as a white person 'should', I guess. I guess that's where the claims of me being a 'self-hating liberal' come from?
Mockery is typical of the racists.
Now I'm a racist because I'm not taking your conservative race war talking point seriously? Get outta here. Hahaha.
It must be all that white privilege going around the country, but a recent survey showed that 1 in 6 hiring managers was asked not to hire white males. That's the discriminatory behavior implemented in companies throughout the country, according to data from ResumeBuilder. It's obviously...
www.washingtonexaminer.com
If you go back to the original poll results as reported on Glass Door, you can see that this is mostly a result of programs implemented by middle management in the companies under consideration. I don't know what the racial breakdown of middle management at these companies is, but do you think that they're primarily black? If not, then I fail to see how this is such a good example of 'them hating us' for our skin color or whatever. Maybe I could take the claims of anti-white racism a little more seriously if it weren't white people doing it to other white people (sort of like Scott Adams' observation about the reaction to his rant, before you go there). Particularly when combined with the result that said 70-something percent of those surveyed see their company as embracing DEI objectives for appearance's sake more than to make real change, it doesn't seem like most people involved think that this is a very good state of affairs. Less corporate wokeism would probably be better for those who actually do want to improve things, but people in that position are probably not the ones answering Glass Door surveys in the first place, so meh.
I think a much better way to tackle this issue would be to ask what should replace the current system, since it's clearly got some pretty obvious flaws. A 'pure' meritocracy is probably most inviting to those who already think that this is how they got to whatever place they're in (you know, Ayn Rand types and those who love them), but most people can probably see the pitfalls in that too, since meritocracies often assume a sort of blank slate when it comes to background, which is never the case, since not everyone comes from the same schooling, upbringing, socio-economic status, etc. So even if you get rid of DEI initiatives, you won't get rid of the things that made middle management implement them in the first place.
Well there you go....think this might be due to all the rampant racism against whites?
At the companies surveyed, sure, but I would hope that the Scott Adams debacle has shown the dangers in extrapolating too much from one set of poll results.
I thought you didn't particularly feel anything about being white?
That is correct. I don't feel any particularly strong attachment to whiteness as a thing (e.g., I didn't grow up eating Lutefisk in a heavily Scandinavian-descended area of the USA or whatever). That doesn't mean that I don't recognize that there are advantages to being white in a society that was constructed to give such advantages to white people on the basis of their whiteness. These are related, but ultimately separable issues (in that I still benefit from being white regardless of how attached I feel to it).
Oh gross....you think black people are beneath you because you're white?!?
No. What? There's a difference between recognizing that racism exists and that you benefit from it by being of the race that its continued existence benefits (what I'm saying) and agreeing with a racist view of the world (what you apparently think I'm saying).
If I were to say "conventionally attractive people have an easier time in life than unattractive people", does that mean that I'm saying
that's how it should be?
Oh I'm sure you're the acme of success. All because you're white. If you truly hate yourself for such reasons, I expect you'll be quitting your job soon and handing it to those beneath you.
I never said I hated myself for any of these reasons. Again, I'm describing things as they usually are, not as I believe they should be. And considering how I was just hired in December, I'm not sure that there's anyone beneath me in my current job. Nice try, though. Hahaha.
Yeah I skipped the rest once you revealed that you think everyone who isn't white is somehow beneath you. No thanks.
Imagine the irony of someone who believes black people beneath him calling Adams racist
If that's what you think I'm saying, then I think you have more in common with how you portray Adams' detractors than you realize.