Asbury Revival

[jiminpa]

I don't know if i would follow a known cessationist to judge a move of the Spirit

That is some seriously sound advice there.

 

[jiminpa]

We can't make claims of an outpouring of The Holy Spirit based around personal experiences that have no relation to what scripture describes. Acts is our text book on this, and that is what we use, not how good we might feel in a building.

Then you can't use a PC or mobile device to communicate your faith, because that is not specifically noted as a valid means in the Bible either.

Tongues had no scriptural precedence until it happened. It's a good thing the disciples didn't apply your standards to the Holy Spirit on that Pentecost.

People who are very familiar with the Holy Spirit, have attended that outpouring and recognized His presence. I'd be more than a little careful of throwing accusations around if it were me.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I have not been there - have plans on going - just too busy with the Gospel to worry what someone else is doing.

I do have a couple friends who have gone there and were blessed by the Presence of God and for that I am glad for them.

People who are very familiar with the Holy Spirit, have attended that outpouring and recognized His presence. I'd be more than a little careful of throwing accusations around if it were me.

Just a reminder:

Billy Graham - one of the most powerful evangelist ever seen.

Never spoke in tongues
Never laid hands on the sick
Never had a word of knowledge
Never operated in the Prophetic.

He was Southern Baptist his whole life.

Hundreds and hundreds of millions saved.

 

[ARBITER01]

Then you can't use a PC or mobile device to communicate your faith, because that is not specifically noted as a valid means in the Bible either.

Tongues had no scriptural precedence until it happened. It's a good thing the disciples didn't apply your standards to the Holy Spirit on that Pentecost.

People who are very familiar with the Holy Spirit, have attended that outpouring and recognized His presence. I'd be more than a little careful of throwing accusations around if it were me.

Maybe back up and regroup there marine.

If you have a problem with me utilizing scripture to discern the activities of this church gathering as well as others, then it is your problem, not mine.

 

[jiminpa]

Maybe back up and regroup there marine.

If you have a problem with me utilizing scripture to discern the activities of this church gathering as well as others, then it is your problem, not mine.

My concern is trying to impose scripture where scripture is silent. You want to judge this outpouring because it doesn't look exactly like Acts, well then be consistent. If it isn't specifically permitted in the Bible don't do it. Driving a car, posting on the internet, electricity, running water, none of that is specifically permitted in scripture, so by your own judgement you are out of line with scripture. Is God obligated to do everything exactly same for 2,000 years? What about our churches? Nothing about our church services is precisely Biblical. Have we been completely out of line for 1,700 years?

 

[ARBITER01]

My concern is trying to invoke scripture where scripture is silent.

I'm doing nothing of the sort friend. Acts 2 and Acts 10 were similar outpourings of The Holy Spirit by GOD. Those two events are the standard of what we should expect and measure things against when we are speaking of The Holy Spirit.

Which is more important,.... having a two week praise and worship service or 3,000 people saved from one man's preaching? Do the math.

 

[jiminpa]

I'm doing nothing of the sort friend. Acts 2 and Acts 10 were similar outpourings of The Holy Spirit by GOD. Those two events are the standard of what we should expect and measure things against when we are speaking of The Holy Spirit.

Which is more important,.... having a two week praise and worship service or 3,000 people saved from one man's preaching? Do the math.

Hmmm, having one man equipped to make disciples or thousands? I don't know why that's a hard question. I'm not a fan of the fire insurance salvations we've been preaching for centuries, so I'll take thousands having real relationship with Jesus over hundreds of fire insured falling away in 6 months any day. You can't compare Acts to our spiritless churches of the last 17 centuries. Let's get to where we're actually cooperating with the Holy Spirit, then let's talk about how many we reproduce it in.

 

[ARBITER01]

Hmmm, having one man equipped to make disciples or thousands? I don't know why that's a hard question. I'm not a fan of the fire insurance salvations we've been preaching for centuries, so I'll take thousands having real relationship with Jesus over hundreds of fire insured falling away in 6 months any day. You can't compare Acts to our spiritless churches of the last 17 centuries. Let's get to where we're actually cooperating with the Holy Spirit, then let's talk about how many we reproduce it in.

I'll take the power of GOD and it's results over whatever it is you're attempting to promote.

 

[ARBITER01]

I'll make my statement again,...

We can't make claims of an outpouring of The Holy Spirit based around personal experiences that have no relation to what scripture describes. Acts is our text book on this, and that is what we use, not how good we might feel in a building.

Emotionalism is not be accepted.

 

[jiminpa]

I'll take the power of GOD and it's results over whatever it is you're attempting to promote.

I didn't know you were the sole evaluator of the power of God, please forgive my ignorance. Here, I assumed that people drawn into deeper relationships with God was due to the power of God.

 

[jiminpa]

I'll make my statement again,...

We can't make claims of an outpouring of The Holy Spirit based around personal experiences that have no relation to what scripture describes. Acts is our text book on this, and that is what we use, not how good we might feel in a building.

Emotionalism is not be accepted.

K, so we are to get more excited at sporting events than tangible encounters with the maker of the universe. That's just silly, and very unbiblical.

 

[ARBITER01]

I didn't know you were the sole evaluator of the power of God, please forgive my ignorance. Here, I assumed that people drawn into deeper relationships with God was due to the power of God.

If you are making this personal, I know who to contact for that.

 

[jiminpa]

If you are making this personal, I know who to contact for that.

I'm pointing out the repercussions of your statement. If you want to have action taken against me, I sort of deserve it.

 

[jiminpa]

If you want to talk about Biblical encounters with God. King David danced his clothes more than half off. Priests and musicians couldn't stay upright to continue ministering. Mary Magdalene wept at His feet. John the disciple felt very loved. Some people fell as if dead. The apostle Paul went blind. Some people were healed. Some people didn't even notice. You can't biblically say that there is one reaction to the power and presence of God.

 

[ARBITER01]

I'm pointing out the repercussions of your statement. If you want to have action taken against me, I sort of deserve it.

I think you and I should part ways before someone says something that is actually actionable.

 

[jiminpa]

I think you and I should part ways before someone says something that is actually actionable.

Not sure how we'll do that if we're both equally interested in this thread. I do know that I can passionately disagree with people and still respect them. I considered someone a good friend after having daily, red in the face, jumping up and down arguments with him. The people we worked with thought we were going to come to blows, but that was never going to happen. He was a good man, and it was the content of our arguments that convinced me of it.

I'm getting really passionate about what I see God doing right now, and I'm not sure I'm allowed to dial it back. Maybe you won't believe this, but I'm seeing people, (including me), who have been struggling to relate to God and praying for softened hearts for years, all of a sudden "get it." I have a friend, that I adore and who loves God with all of the love she has, but she struggled to believe He loves her, have a loving encounter with the Father, and it's changing the course of her life. At 60 years old, in the past year, I've walked through paralyzing fears that were instilled in me as a teenager, one as recently as yesterday. To call them emotional encounters is to have it backwards. The encounter is first and the emotions are the response.

 

[jiminpa]

I do want to publicly apologize for letting my zeal outrun my love in this thread. I still agree with what I said, but it could have been handled more Christlike.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

this is crazy to me. People are seeking the Lord, praising Him and praying in large numbers, and all some want to do is criticize, declaring what it isn't instead of what it is.

Any time someone turns to the Lord, that is a move of God. That this is going on in such large numbers is nothing short of miraculous, especially in this day and age. I praise God for it and ask that it continues.

 

[ARBITER01]

this is crazy to me. People are seeking the Lord, praising Him and praying in large numbers, and all some want to do is criticize, declaring what it isn't instead of what it is.

Any time someone turns to the Lord, that is a move of God. That this is going on in such large numbers is nothing short of miraculous, especially in this day and age. I praise God for it and ask that it continues.

I never accept things on face value.

I could care less how many churches of people are involved, if salvations and the gifts of The Spirit are not in the forefront, it has very little to do with The Holy Spirit and holiness.

How many people went to where Todd Bentley was performing his circus and claimed it as a move of GOD? Thousands upon thousands. And they had some of the same desires of bringing that so-called false "anointing" to the rest of America. Well it didn't last all that long did it?

I'm not going to beat a dead horse too much more on here about it. I will continue to stand with GOD and what He says about it, not jump onboard a bandwagon full of people.

Later.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I never accept things on face value.

I could care less how many churches of people are involved, if salvations and the gifts of The Spirit are not in the forefront, it has very little to do with The Holy Spirit and holiness.

How many people went to where Todd Bentley was performing his circus and claimed it as a move of GOD? Thousands upon thousands. And they had some of the same desires of bringing that so-called false "anointing" to the rest of America. Well it didn't last all that long did it?

I'm not going to beat a dead horse too much more on here about it. I will continue to stand with GOD and what He says about it, not jump onboard a bandwagon full of people.

Later.

You keep bringing TB into the reasons why you disagree with whats going on, but the issue with that line of logic is there is no one within this move that is making it about them. No "rock stars" on stage looking to promote themselves or their ministry.

But honestly, that should still not be a concern. Paul said that there were people preaching with selfish motives and what was his response? Not, "well they are just charlatans so they should be ignored." It was Praise God the gospel is being preached. Id be willing to wager people did actually find faith in God even through the preaching of people that some would consider reprobate. (Cant mention names)

So lets get on this thing together brother, praise God what is happening, and ask His grace and favor to let it continue!