Hide your classroom books to avoid felony charges, Florida school districts tell teachers

[rjs330]

No. That's not true. If that law wasn't in place, those books would still be on the shelf. It's the most unfathomably stupid rule I have ever heard.

They knew what they were doing? Of COURSE they did. They don't want to offend the lilly white racists who can't bear to handle the abuse of being reminded of the tragedies black people and gay people have been subjected to by their ancestors. This is how you keep your job as a teacher in Florida.
I'm sure you would think that was evil teachers being manipulative, but that's because you don't trust them to begin with.



The grandchildren of the people yelling at Ruby Bridges to get out of their school and all sorts of colour epithets are now the ones who don't want books about Ruby Bridges read in their children's school.


It's just a bunch of cowards crying about being unable to control their own children and every single thing that they are presented with.

Don't be naive. That's the problem the racist and indoctrination books would still be there without the law. But are you trying to tell me that every single book was violating the law?

Don't be silly. They removed the books not because they were concerned but because they were trying to make a stupid point of I guess we can't have any books then. How stupid was that.
It sure seems that you just refuse to listen to what people are saying. We don't care if schools teach about slavery and Jim Crow. Haven't you heard that was being taught in schools long before CRT came along. And guess what. We DIDN'T CARE. I have no idea why you think we do.

And we've seen the videos of what teachers are doing and parents saw what teachers were teaching. So don't tell us what they were not doing because we saw it with our own eyes.

So please stop with the misrepresentation of it all. White supremacists indeed. Pha!

 

[rjs330]

Integrity means no such thing. Integrity means doing the RIGHT thing. You think that the law is RIGHT. It is not.

Enough with the vapours. You are exploiting something when you use the phrase "same materials" when you clearly don't know the scope of what that means, so maybe just settle yourself.

I ABSOLUTELY would commit a felony if the law is unjust.


My ancestors smuggled Jewish children around Amsterdam in the baskets of bikes. Stop suggesting this childish idea that following laws has ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING to do with integrity.

Bah.

What you are supporting is harming children. Why would you support such nonsense? Why would you want to teach children something that is harmful to them? Teaching them they are racist cause they are white and so were their parents. Teaching them unscientific nonsense about how boys can be girls and girls can be boys. Confusing them and leading them down the acceptance path where they start wanting to chemically damage their bodies or cut off perfectly healthy parts. How sick is that.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

It is in fact the law - regardless of a person's personal view. I agree - Integrity means doing the RIGHT thing and that RIGHT thing would be a law abiding citizen. Our states and country has systems in place if one things a law is wrong - be an agent of change -

There were enough people who considered marijunana necessary medically - viola - they changed the law. Even if people didn't agree with them

That is what person of INTEGRITY does.

No vapors- just the plain and simple truth - if it is a felony in the classroom - it is a felony on the playground. The law does not change based on location.

Enjoy your justified jail sentence, associated expenses, loss of privileges and lifelong criminal record. It's your right.

I see your ancestors smuggling Jewish children and raise you seven of mine that were murdered by the Fascist.

Neither one has to do with what we are discussing.

Not openly committing felonies has ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING to do with integrity.

If you were around back then, in the time it takes to change the law, would you have been a good law abiding citizen and turned your family members over to the fascists or do you lack integrity?

In the future, if a law is passed prohibiting the worship of Christianity, in the time it takes to change the law, are you a good law abiding who wouldn’t worship Christ or would you lack integrity?

 

[rambot]

What you are supporting is harming children. Why would you support such nonsense? Why would you want to teach children something that is harmful to them? Teaching them they are racist cause they are white and so were their parents. Teaching them unscientific nonsense about how boys can be girls and girls can be boys. Confusing them and leading them down the acceptance path where they start wanting to chemically damage their bodies or cut off perfectly healthy parts. How sick is that

What can I say? You're exploited and misguided by the media poison you partake in.

Think what you will of me; you don't understand what's going on anyways.

So yes, my hobby is watching teachers read "And Tango Makes Three" to all ther grade 2 children to make them gay.

 

[rjs330]

What can I say? You're exploited and misguided by the media poison you partake in.

Think what you will of me; you don't understand what's going on anyways.

So yes, my hobby is watching teachers read "And Tango Makes Three" to all ther grade 2 children to make them gay.

Do you honestly think we believe that teachers can make people gay, or trans?

It sounds like you are the one who is so steeped in the left wing LGBTQ poisonous ideology that you struggle with understanding truth.

Indoctrination is all about influence and coercion. That's what this stuff you want taught does. And it influences and coerces the most vulnerable and susceptible people on this planet. Children. Children who's minda are ripe for influencing. But you know this since you are a teacher. That's why drag queens want to read legtq influencing books to kids. That's why they want to teach them about breaking the rules and experimentation. That's why you teach kids to influence the next generation. The question is what is the educational system influencing them to be and believe? You guys can't even define what a woman is and we are supposed to entrust our kids to you?

Why doesn't the education system just stick to reading writing and arithmetic, history without the lies of CRT, science, and geography. LGBTQ has nothing to do with any of that unless you are trying to influence them. And beyond that we have educators coercing them as well. Leave the children alone. They are being harmed by this.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

I miss read that, @rambot has the correct reading.

 

[Goonie]

Uhhh....capitalism?

You think basic economics are purely theoretical?

Yes just like evolution.

 

[rambot]

Do you honestly think we believe that teachers can make people gay, or trans?

"Make" may not be the right word exactly but yes, I honestly believe you guys think that

It sounds like you are the one who is so steeped in the left wing LGBTQ poisonous ideology that you struggle with understanding truth.

Indoctrination is all about influence and coercion. That's what this stuff you want taught does. And it influences and coerces the most vulnerable and susceptible people on this planet. Children. Children who's minda are ripe for influencing. But you know this since you are a teacher.

thats right. Children are not born racist. They are created racists by their parents.

That's why drag queens want to read legtq influencing books to kids. That's why they want to teach them about breaking the rules and experimentation. That's why you teach kids to influence the next generation. The question is what is the educational system influencing them to be and believe? You guys can't even define what a woman is and we are supposed to entrust our kids to you?

Where did that trope come from bt the way? The same place that misinformation you hold of what gender and sex are?

Why doesn't the education system just stick to reading writing and arithmetic, history without the lies of CRT, science, and geography. LGBTQ has nothing to do with any of that unless you are trying to influence them. And beyond that we have educators coercing them as well. Leave the children alone. They are being harmed by this.

My emphasis. Please delineate which NONHISTORICAL events are being taught in history classroom.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Students arrived in some Florida public school classrooms this month to find their teachers’ bookshelves wrapped in paper — or entirely barren of books — after district officials launched a review of the texts’ appropriateness under a new state law.

School officials in at least two counties, Manatee and Duval, have directed teachers this month to remove or wrap up their classroom libraries, according to records obtained by The Washington Post. The removals come in response to fresh guidance issued by the Florida Department of Education in mid-January, after the State Board of Education ruled that a law restricting the books a district may possess applies not only to schoolwide libraries but to teachers’ classroom collections, too.

The department’s new rule, published and approved Jan. 18, “clarifies that library materials, including classroom libraries, must be approved and selected by a media specialist.” This goes against precedent: Classroom libraries have historically been overseen by no one but teachers, who simply selected and stocked books they believed might be intriguing to students. Often, teachers bought these texts with their own money or by fundraising online.

Books must be approved by a qualified school media specialist, who must undergo a state retraining on book collection. The Education Department did not publish that training until January, leaving school librarians across Florida unable to order books for more than a year.

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Well, once the media specialists have been reeducated, hopefully it won't take too long for them to root out any books that subvert the ideals of the State.

I wonder: is Ray Bradbury's, Fahrenheit 451, on their ban list?

 

[Pommer]

List of “approved” books in Florida.
(Link will probably get borked when they pull it down due to them spelling ninth as “nineth” and twelfth as “twelth”)

 

[rjs330]

"Make" may not be the right word exactly but yes, I honestly believe you guys think that

thats right. Children are not born racist. They are created racists by their parents.


Where did that trope come from bt the way? The same place that misinformation you hold of what gender and sex are?

My emphasis. Please delineate which NONHISTORICAL events are being taught in history classroom.

 

[rjs330]

"Make" may not be the right word exactly but yes, I honestly believe you guys think that

thats right. Children are not born racist. They are created racists by their parents.


Where did that trope come from bt the way? The same place that misinformation you hold of what gender and sex are?

My emphasis. Please delineate which NONHISTORICAL events are being taught in history classroom.

If make isn't the right word what is it you mean then?

Since you admit children are not born that way but are influenced to be that way then you do understand the power that adults have over children to influence and coerce them. That's important to understand when talking about this subject.

I've already PROVEN to you where it comes from. It comes from THEM. I didn't write that article that explained their thoughts and motivations and actions. They did. Why don't you believe their own words?

If you know about CRT today you know it's not just about history. Perhaps you should brush up on what it is trying to teach and how it's being used today. That might help in understanding what the problem is. Better yet return to the threads about it and look at all the links provided by us who are against it. I'm sure you participated in them. It doesn't make any sense for me to reiterate everything that is in there for you here when I can just point you to where you can find it. Repetitive linking over and over again is kind of a waste of time. Particularly when you didn't pay attention the first time. What makes me think you would do it a second time?

And don't forget that we were told it's not in schools and we shouldn't worry about it. If that is true why are you defending it being taught in schools?

 

[keith99]

List of “approved” books in Florida.
(Link will probably get borked when they pull it down due to them spelling ninth as “nineth” and twelfth as “twelth”)


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The huge issue is how SHORT the list is. And that gets worse when one notices how many are either speeches or short stories. I rather like 'The Gift of the Magi' BUT I sure would not want it as one of the score of 'books' allowed for a grade level considering it is only 9 pages long!

And I have to wonder about a list that includes the Checkers speech by Nixon and 'I have a Dream' by MLK, but manages to omit The Gettysburg Address by Lincoln! Heck depending on which of the first 2 one picks there could be outrage from either the right or the left!

I never had much sympathy for English Teachers because so many that I had in High School were bad. But I do now for those in Florida. They have so little to work with.

Florida teachers, send not to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for the! And yes, For Whom the Bell Tolls is not on the list. I did not notice anything by Hemmingway and only Tom Sawyer by Twain.

 

[Ana the Ist]

"Make" may not be the right word exactly but yes, I honestly believe you guys think that

Exposure to continuous or fluid theories of sexual orientation leads some heterosexuals to embrace less-exclusive heterosexual orientations - Scientific Reports

We examined whether heterosexual individuals’ self-reported sexual orientation could be influenced experimentally by manipulating their knowledge of the nature of sexual orientation. In Study 1 (180 university students, 66% female) participants read summaries describing evidence for sexual...

www.nature.com

thats right. Children are not born racist. They are created racists by their parents.

Or their teachers.

Where did that trope come from bt the way?

The left. Once they began asserting that people who were men were women and women were "birthing persons" it was clear that some change had occurred and it was not clear what you mean by a woman.

It goes along with the derogatory term "cisgendered" which was coined by another pro-pedophile gender theorist who, for some reason, wanted a word for men who believe they are men and women who believe they are women. It's as if it were created to prop up a theory questionable validity. Odd how many pro pedophiles there are at the start of this theory you teach.

Fun fact. Same guy once said....and I'm paraphrasing here..."there's nothing more beautiful or natural than the spontaneous sexual relationship between an adult and child" and he believed we should....teach young children about sex, sexuality, gender, etc....claiming it does not harm them.

A 2014 APA task force on the sexualizing of young girls came to the opposite conclusion.

The same place that misinformation you hold of what gender and sex are?

Well since you're the expert I'll ask you.

Why did we stop calling them transsexuals and start calling them transgender? They don't want change their gender. They don't try to change their gender. They want to change their sex....or at least approximate a costume of the opposite sex and be treated as such.

My emphasis. Please delineate which NONHISTORICAL events are being taught in history classroom.

Well I don't know which version of the 1619 Project every classroom that uses it has....but early versions are incorrect on historical events like the American Revolution.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I wonder: is Ray Bradbury's, Fahrenheit 451, on their ban list?

I'm not a fan of book banning myself but due to the rather duplicitous nature of this ideology and its tendency to do things like "rewrite history" or in the case of Roald Dahl....rewrite his books....I'm hoping that the banning will force a discussion on the intellectual merits of this garbage and sooner than later.

 

[keith99]

I wonder: is Ray Bradbury's, Fahrenheit 451, on their ban list?

They are not working that way. There are approved books and everything else is banned!

Surprisingly Fahrenheit 451 is on the approved list. So is 1984. Brave New World is not.

Of the 3 I'm partial to Brave New World. But what do I know, I'm just a savage who never wanted to be a fireman.

 

[Ana the Ist]

They are not working that way. There are approved books and everything else is banned!

Surprisingly Fahrenheit 451 is on the approved list. So is 1984. Brave New World is not.

Of the 3 I'm partial to Brave New World. But what do I know, I'm just a savage who never wanted to be a fireman.

I wonder if they'll do a "woke" style rewrite of 1984 where Winston Smith is the antagonist and Big Brother is the protagonist.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

They are not working that way. There are approved books and everything else is banned!

Surprisingly Fahrenheit 451 is on the approved list. So is 1984. Brave New World is not.

Of the 3 I'm partial to Brave New World. But what do I know, I'm just a savage who never wanted to be a fireman.

That's strange that any of them would be banned. I wonder if it's the 'drug use' theme in Brave New World that would cause it to be banned?

 

[essentialsaltes]

The huge issue is how SHORT the list is.

I hazily remember that that short list is made of things that are in the state curriculum, and therefore get kind of an automatic pass. (And it explains some of the odd selections; classical literature in 9th grade, and speeches and such for 10th grade US history and so on.) They've presumably already been vetted by Florida Education as suitable for kids of those ages, when selected for the curriculum.

 

[keith99]

That's strange that any of them would be banned. I wonder if it's the 'drug use' theme in Brave New World that would cause it to be banned?

I'm more inclined to think it is the sexual parts. Unless The Mandela Effect is real and I have ended up in a different timeline Brave New World reverses an absurdity of America. Here sex is dirty, but motherhood is cleaner than clean and revered. There sex is fine, but motherhood is disgusting.