Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

[rjs330]

The book I recommended you was a documentation of an African sold into slavery in the USA

I never said that

No; the USA purchased slaves from slave traders.

I never said that either. I used Dahomey, Bambara, and Manikongo as examples of slave traders; I never implied they were the extent of them.

Did he just accuse you of defending slavery? I think he did.

 

[Ken-1122]

Did he just accuse you of defending slavery? I think he did.

He has a tendency of resorting to personal attacks when he finds himself unable to attack your argument.

 

[rturner76]

I've read all that. None of it contradicts what I said about the blacks enslaving each other before the white man came along. And none of that contradicts that blacks sold each other into slavery.

Can we ease just agree that both parties are equally at fault?

Who's at fault. The drug user or the drug dealers?

It's people's own fault for using drugs but they are made readily available along with guns in order to destroy the black community

 

[rturner76]

and they were not enslaving the slave traders

WHen they ran out of slaves they sure did.

No; the USA purchased slaves from slave traders

WHo were propped up by European weapons they same way they provide drugs and guns to the black community today.

I never said that either. I used Dahomey, Bambara, and Manikongo as examples of slave traders; I never implied they were the extent of them.

Right and white people had nothing to do with it

 

[Landon Caeli]

Well, what happened in the 17 and 1800's really isn't anyone's fault today.

We're different people.

 

[Landon Caeli]

WHo were propped up by European weapons they same way they provide drugs and guns to the black community today.

I think you're mistaken. Exactly what drugs are "Europeans" providing to the black community? None!

Alcohol, yes, white people sell alcohol indiscriminately, to blacks, Hispanics and White's alike.

 

[rturner76]

I think you're mistaken. Exactly what drugs are "Europeans" providing to the black community? None!

Alcohol, yes, white people sell alcohol indiscriminately, to blacks, Hispanics and White's alike.

It's actually our own government that provides drugs. The CIA is probably the biggest drug distributor in the world.

 

[Ken-1122]

WHen they ran out of slaves they sure did.

What evidence do you have of this?

WHo were propped up by European weapons they same way they provide drugs and guns to the black community today.

Who is providing drugs and guns to the black community?

Right and white people had nothing to do with it

If the Americans did not buy from them, there would not have been slavery in the USA; but there still would have been slavery in all the other places, just like there is slavery still today even though Americans no longer buy slaves.

 

[rturner76]

What evidence do you have of this?

while others had been captured directly by the slave traders in coastal raids;[5] Europeans gathered and imprisoned the enslaved at forts on the African coast and then brought them to the Americas THere's a nice white source for you. Also frow WikiThe first Africans kidnapped to the English colonies were classified as indentured servants, with legal standing similar to that of contract-based workers coming from Britain and Ireland. However, by the middle of the 17th century, slavery had hardened as a racial caste,

Don't you understand that slavery was based on race? There were no white slaves. They raided the west coast of Africa then colonized it. Why do you approve of this practice?

Atlantic slave trade - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Who is providing drugs and guns to the black community

The CIA for one.

If the Americans did not buy from them, there would not have been slavery in the USA; but there still would have been slavery in all the other places, just like there is slavery still today even though Americans no longer buy slaves

Africans sold slaves yes but the glut caused by the white man made it so they had to provide slaves or become slaves.

 

[rjs330]

It's people's own fault for using drugs but they are made readily available along with guns in order to destroy the black community

So it's the suppliers fault now. So suppliers are at fault for supplying drugs but suppliers were not at fault for supplying slaves.

 

[Landon Caeli]

It's actually our own government that provides drugs. The CIA is probably the biggest drug distributor in the world.

Not really. It's the Latin Americans, who are poisoning the blacks. They know exactly how addictive their toxic drugs are, and they don't care. The CIA "distributes" nothing, they're just an intelligence agency

 

[rjs330]

WHen they ran out of slaves they sure did.

WHo were propped up by European weapons they same way they provide drugs and guns to the black community today.

Right and white people had nothing to do with it

You know we'd get a lot further along if we could just agree that slavery was both parties fault. Blacks and whites.

What is it that holds you back from recognizing this? We don't seem to have a problem recognizing the white people's part, what is it that keeps you from recognizing black people's part?

 

[rjs330]

Not really. It's the Latin Americans, who are poisoning the blacks. They know exactly how addictive their toxic drugs are, and they don't care. The CIA "distributes" nothing, they're just an intelligence agency

I think he's trying to reference a false accusation from the 80's that the CIA was involved in dealing crack to the black communities during their involvement in Central America. There was a news agency that fostered the stories which have been thoroughly debunked.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1996/10/04/the-cia-and-crack-evidence-is-lacking-of-alleged-plot/5b026731-c5de-4234-b3bd-9e0fd2e21225/

 

[Landon Caeli]

I think he's trying to reference a false accusation from the 80's that the CIA was involved in dealing crack to the black communities during their involvement in Central America. There was a news agency that fostered the stories which have been thoroughly debunked.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1996/10/04/the-cia-and-crack-evidence-is-lacking-of-alleged-plot/5b026731-c5de-4234-b3bd-9e0fd2e21225/

Debunked is right. It was all Freeway Rick (Rick Ross from the article you cited) who got black neighborhoods hooked on crack in the 80's, and he made a fortune doing it.

 

[Ken-1122]

while others had been captured directly by the slave traders in coastal raids;[5] Europeans gathered and imprisoned the enslaved at forts on the African coast and then brought them to the Americas

Yes! They gathered those who were enslaved by the slave traders. What did the slave buyers from the United States do?

The CIA for one.

What evidence do you have of this?

Africans sold slaves yes but the glut caused by the white man made it so they had to provide slaves or become slaves.

Who is this “white man” you speak of? Someone from the USA? Or someone from Denmark, Belgium, or some country that is not a part of this conversation.

 

[rturner76]

You know we'd get a lot further along if we could just agree that slavery was both parties fault. Blacks and whites.

What is it that holds you back from recognizing this? We don't seem to have a problem recognizing the white people's part, what is it that keeps you from recognizing black people's part?

I recognize they had a part but I also recognize that many were under coercion. Not providing slaves could get them enslaved and it did when they colonized Africa.

 

[rturner76]

What did the slave buyers from the United States do?

Hored slaves and sell them in the AMericas

What evidence do you have of this?

You ever heard of the Iran/Contra scanle? They paid for their private war with coke. They also tried to take over the opium trade on both Vietnam and Afghanistan. The CIA has been in the drug business for decdes.

CIA-Contra-Crack Cocaine Controversy

Big White Lie: The CIA and the Cocaine/Crack Epidemic | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

Special Reports - Cocaine, Conspiracy Theories And The Cia In Central America | Drug Wars | FRONTLINE | PBS

Reporter Gary Webb was murdered for exposing the plot.

Who is this “white man” you speak of? Someone from the USA? Or someone from Denmark, Belgium, or some country that is not a part of this conversation.

All Europeans are white unless they are from somewhere else. You didn't know Europeans were white?

 

[rjs330]

Hored slaves and sell them in the AMericas

You ever heard of the Iran/Contra scanle? They paid for their private war with coke. They also tried to take over the opium trade on both Vietnam and Afghanistan. The CIA has been in the drug business for decdes.

CIA-Contra-Crack Cocaine Controversy

Big White Lie: The CIA and the Cocaine/Crack Epidemic | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

Special Reports - Cocaine, Conspiracy Theories And The Cia In Central America | Drug Wars | FRONTLINE | PBS

Reporter Gary Webb was murdered for exposing the plot.

All Europeans are white unless they are from somewhere else. You didn't know Europeans were white?

Your CIA story has been thoroughly debunked.

 

[rjs330]

I recognize they had a part but I also recognize that many were under coercion. Not providing slaves could get them enslaved and it did when they colonized Africa.

No you are still blaming whites for everything. Whites took slaves whites coerced the slave traders whites threatened the slave traders.

You have not placed a single but of blame upon the traders.

It's like placing all the blame for drug dealing in the buyers. The sellers are all victims of the buyers. The sellers just want money. If those terrible buyers weren't offering the.money those sellers wouldn't sell. Right? It's all the drug buyers fault.

It cannot be the CIAs fault. Why if there weren't any buyers the suppliers wouldn't have any reason to sell. Those guys that sold the drugs to all the buyers wouldn't do it except the buyers all coerced them with money. And lots of it.

 

[rturner76]

Your CIA story has been thoroughly debunked.

Uh, no it hasn't try researching it again. What was the whole Olly North trial about? The Iran Contra connection, he was a scapegoat.