Noah's Flood & the Strait of Hormuz

[Larniavc]

The Biology book calls this a biodiverse ecosystem.

You keep repeating this phrase. Why? All ecosystems are biodiverse. Why do you feel the need to keep mentioning it?

 

[Diamond72]

You keep repeating this phrase. Why? All ecosystems are biodiverse. Why do you feel the need to keep mentioning it?

Because the theory of evolution is the best argument for the Bible that Science has ever come up with. Time magazine makes that abundantly clear when they point out that SCIENCE uses the word: Adam, Eve & Eden.

Joshua Swamidass, a physician and genome scientist at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri, has proposed a new "genealogical hypothesis" that seeks to reconcile the biblical story of Adam and Eve with scientific understanding of human genetic ancestry. This proposal comes at a time of significant cultural change, when facts can be interpreted in multiple ways and political divisions often impact scientific discussions. The article also compares the political divide in the US to the biblical myth of the parting of the Red Sea.

Upcoming book leaves scientific possibility for existence of 'Adam and Eve'

Christians are often taught to reject evolutionary biology. With this research, it is my hope they will attain a greater respect for the discipline.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Frank Robert]

Because the theory of evolution is the best argument for the Bible that Science has ever come up with. Time magazine makes that abundantly clear when they point out that SCIENCE uses the word: Adam, Eve & Eden.

Joshua Swamidass, a physician and genome scientist at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri, has proposed a new "genealogical hypothesis" that seeks to reconcile the biblical story of Adam and Eve with scientific understanding of human genetic ancestry. This proposal comes at a time of significant cultural change, when facts can be interpreted in multiple ways and political divisions often impact scientific discussions. The article also compares the political divide in the US to the biblical myth of the parting of the Red Sea.

Upcoming book leaves scientific possibility for existence of 'Adam and Eve'

Christians are often taught to reject evolutionary biology. With this research, it is my hope they will attain a greater respect for the discipline.

www.usatoday.com

Of interest: The Usatoday opinion was written by Nathan H. Lents, Phd an atheist and biology professor (John Jay College). The book "The Genealogical Adam and Eve" has also been endorsed by analytic philosopher and Christian apologist William Lane Craig as well as many others.

Dr. Swamidass is founder of Peaceful Science which attracts a experts from a variety of fields. There is a discussion forum similar to CF which may be attractive to some on CF.

A Humanist’s Invitation to Peaceful Science​

Former Christian turned atheist, Stephen Matheson, invites fellow secular humanists to join the growing conversation at Peaceful Science.​

 

[Diamond72]

The Usatoday opinion was written by Nathan H. Lents

I went to youtube to listen to the opinion of Kenneth Miller Ph.D. He co-authored the Biology book that my son used in High School. In this state, you are tested to see if you have read the required books to get a high school degree. He said it is possible but very complex. I do not think we could do math without supercomputer programs.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is NO sign of a Genesis world wide flood.

Would you recognize one, after God cleaned it up?

Science actually does a good job of showing us that Eden was real. They call this a biodiverse ecosystem. Eden had to do cultivated plants and domesticated animals.

May I take that as a NO?

 

[AV1611VET]

In my opinion, the ONLY plants and animals on Noah's ark came from the Tigris Euphrates river valley.

Then why was Noah and his family aboard the Ark for over a year?

 

[dlamberth]

May I take that as a NO?

The full of what I wrote part of which you left out:

The point is, flood mechanics are well known and understood. There is NO sign of a Genesis world wide flood.

So my answer is YES!

 

[AV1611VET]

So my answer is YES!

So you would recognize it, if God cleaned it up?

 

[dlamberth]

So you would recognize it, if God cleaned it up?

Sorry AV, but I was not replying to your imagination of "if". God doesn't work with "if's"

 

[AV1611VET]

Sorry AV, but I was not replying to your imagination of "if". God doesn't work with "if's"

There is no "if God cleaned it up."

God cleaned it up, period.

And I promise you, you'll never recognize it.

Just like Eve wouldn't recognize the mess made when God took a rib from Adam's side, then cleaned it up.

And I don't care if she used today's best detection tools, she wouldn't know it happened, unless she was told.

And the information you're getting from the artificial intelligence you call "earth" isn't helping you, is it?

 

[David Kent]

If it was local floods, why have hte Chinese records of a worldwide flood about the same time as the biblical flood. In fact most an Kent cultures face accounts of one.

 

[doubtingmerle]

You keep repeating this phrase. Why? All ecosystems are biodiverse. Why do you feel the need to keep mentioning it?

I think that is because you are arguing with a chat box. See RECORD vs LAYERS

 

[doubtingmerle]

I have seen MANY words used. Allegory, paradigm, archetype, symbol, metaphor for example.

And fiction.

 

[Diamond72]

And fiction.

What would your example be for Fiction in the Bible?

 

[doubtingmerle]

What would your example be for Fiction in the Bible?

Taking donkeys, talking snakes, global floods, things like that.

 

[Diamond72]

Taking donkeys, talking snakes, global floods, things like that.

Global flood is a question of interpretation. So you do not even have a wooden leg to stand on there. There is NOTHING that says the donkey talked in English. I talk with animals, lots of people talk to their pets. But it is more of an understanding. I remember once I was sitting at my kitchen table and the door was open and a bird was sitting in a tree squawking at me. I wondered what is that all about. Then it came to me, the bird was telling me to give it some food. I know that the birds think of me as being the keeper of their garden. But I can assure you they do not speak English and it takes me a while to figure out what they are telling me. I have a feral cat that opens it's mouth but no actual sound comes out. Maybe he is deaf. But he does communicate to me what he wants. Which is usually food or grooming or something like that. He wants me to mother him and take good care of him.

If you want I could go on and on about this and write a whole book. Or maybe this is enough already. I am sure all sorts of noise was coming out of that donkey's mouth. But I doubt if he was speaking English. Still, his owner figures it out and understood the message he was trying to get across.

Just remember saved people do not abuse animals.

 

[Diamond72]

Chinese records of a worldwide flood

I have not studied the beginning of Civilization in China, but I know the Yellow River was involved.

The Yellow River Valley was an ideal location for early civilization because the river provided fertile soil for agriculture and allowed for easy transportation and communication. The Shang dynasty developed a complex system of writing, religion, art, and architecture, and is known for its bronze casting, oracle bones, and ancestor worship. Flood plains make great ground for growing food.

 

[Diamond72]

May I take that as a NO?

I think Eden is at the bottom of the Persian Gulf. With the Euphrates river going dry ancient pre flood ruins are beginning to emerge. When the Bible says the Sea will be no more, the Persian gulf will return to pre flood levels.

 

[Diamond72]

And the information you're getting from the artificial intelligence you call "earth" isn't helping you, is it?

How do we know the earth exists and is not just a product of our imagination?

 

[AV1611VET]

I think Eden is at the bottom of the Persian Gulf. With the Euphrates river going dry ancient pre flood ruins are beginning to emerge. When the Bible says the Sea will be no more, the Persian gulf will return to pre flood levels.

Interesting synopsis!