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All the problems with the Russian Army being noted, nevertheless there is the expression "quantity has a quality of its own" and that is certainly true in this war. Ukraine faces massive, massive numbers of Russia soldiers in this current offensive that is shaping up. They are outnumbered at least ten to one in every place they go.

yes, but they need someone like Zhukov who knows how to use his greater numbers, not just bank on the fact that he has them. a small number of Rangers took out far more Somalis in Black Hawk Down.
 
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yes, but they need someone like Zhukov who knows how to use his greater numbers, not just bank on the fact that he has them. a small number of Rangers took out far more Somalis in Black Hawk Down.

True.

Nevertheless. Extremely bad stretch of weeks ahead for the Ukrainians.

The Russians have piled in massively more troops and equipment than at any time before in the war for this next offensive.
Yet the Ukrainians have not been able to move the Russians out of Bahkmut and while they moved the Russians out of Kherson they have not been able to move them out enough to avoid daily shellings.

Just saying. Huge kudos to the Ukrainians and yes the Russians have been pathetic but no one should make any presumptions about what lies ahead. The Ukranians are in a tough spot. (and so is Putin). Putin is prepared to reduce everything east of Poland to a parking lot to win. And Poland too for that matter. And he is pulled up the timing of this next offensive because he wants to move before the new, big round of equipment from the west arrives. It works against him because he is not fully ready. But he also knows that if he does not wrap this up before the new equipment arrives, tanks, longer range missiles etc that it will only get worse.

The Russians are completely incompetent. Unfortunately they will continue to kill many, many Ukrainians every day with that incompetent and this war has at least another two years to go unless Putin takes an early retirement in some form.

Speaking of Zhukov. One of the most respected Russian generals since Zhukov was/is
General Leonid Ivashov. He is also one of Putin's biggest critics. It may be interesting for some to do a quick read of what he said just days before the invasion. Yep. He was not wrong and even though he is a hard liner he was also firmly against Putin's self destructive move. link below.


 
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My comment didn't mean they don't have"morally decent" command but "effective command." All these years, faking it, stealing all the resources for the military, and letting incompetent sycophants get into all the positions of authority has been enough.
I didn’t necessarily mean corrupt, I mean more the mentality is ineffective even without the corruption.
 
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True.

Nevertheless. Extremely bad stretch of weeks ahead for the Ukrainians.

The Russians have piled in massively more troops and equipment than at any time before in the war for this next offensive.
Yet the Ukrainians have not been able to move the Russians out of Bahkmut and while they moved the Russians out of Kherson they have not been able to move them out enough to avoid daily shellings.

Just saying. Huge kudos to the Ukrainians and yes the Russians have been pathetic but no one should make any presumptions about what lies ahead. The Ukranians are in a tough spot. (and so is Putin). Putin is prepared to reduce everything east of Poland to a parking lot to win. And Poland too for that matter. And he is pulled up the timing of this next offensive because he wants to move before the new, big round of equipment from the west arrives. It works against him because he is not fully ready. But he also knows that if he does not wrap this up before the new equipment arrives, tanks, longer range missiles etc that it will only get worse.

The Russians are completely incompetent. Unfortunately they will continue to kill many, many Ukrainians every day with that incompetent and this war has at least another two years to go.

Speaking of Zhukov. One of the most respected Russian generals since Zhukov was/is
General Leonid Ivashov. He is also one of Putin's biggest critics. It may be interesting for some to do a quick read of what he said just days before the invasion. Yep. He was not wrong and even though he is a hard liner he was also firmly against Putin's self destructive move. link below.


oh don’t get me wrong. this is not going to be easy for Ukraine (Black Hawk Down wasn’t easy). I am simply saying history shows that disciplined forces tend to win out over undisciplined forces.
 
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I remember reading: Inside the Soviet Army by defector Victor Suvorov in the early 1980s. He describes a situation of the military infested with political interference, corruption, & incompetence. It must be a similar situation today.

Probably the same factors hurt the Soviet military in WW2. Many Soviet officers in WW 2, were probably competent but had to be wary of Stalin. Soviet planes, tanks etc. were actually formidable but haphazardly deployed. For ex. the Americans, British & Germans deployed fighter aircraft In dual roles as fighters & fighter/bombers. So fighters covered the other fighters equipped also as bombers on tactical missions. For the unfortunate ( & otherwise competent) Soviet pilots, all too often had to expect to all fly missions loaded with bombs. So bomb laden fighters had to engage in dog fights against nimble, bomb free German fighters. The results were usually disastrous.

 
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oh don’t get me wrong. this is not going to be easy for Ukraine (Black Hawk Down wasn’t easy). I am simply saying history shows that disciplined forces tend to win out over undisciplined forces.

100%.

And so far tbe Ukrainians have used that factor to bring themselves at parity or above against a force that is ten times larger.

I just don't want to see a bunch of Americans and Europeans get weak kneed when the going gets rough "and why are we backing them if they are losing or not making any progress." type of things. The tough times go with the turf.

And while some can justifiably argue that that attitude has led to some wars that have gone on forever, it is equally true that in those wars we were backing armies that could not get their stuff together and did not want to fight for the most part. (or if the soldiers were willing to fight their regimes were too crooked to support them sufficiently). That is not true of the Ukrainians.
 
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that’s pretty much it, and how surprising just how bad the Russian military is. the high turnover and mortality rate of flag officers (generals and admirals) has everyone surprised. even with the NATO aide, Russia should be destroying Ukraine if they had even halfway decent command.
That’s the conventional wisdom. The Russian logistics were especially awful at the beginning of the war. They were sending in the troops with MRE’s that were expired, vehicles with cracked, sun bleached under inflated tires, troops were using cell phones to communicate with command and other stations, tanks and platoons going into harm’s way with zero air support, perimeters not covered, troops demonstrating incompetent training techniques, awful reconnaissance, underestimating the enemy, stinking leadership, and poor planning coupled with vehicles that have poor maintenance schedules. It’s taken a ton of re-shuffling,, new leadership, re-training, and reinforcements along with adapting to get them even halfway decent.
 
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Just imagine if any American president in our lifetimes had gotten 100,000 plus American servicemen killed in under a year during an attempt to eliminate Canadians from the earth. Party wouldn't matter, loyalty wouldn't matter: there would be severe political consequences. Here there are none.
Bad analogy. You should say, just imagine if China or Iran or Russia set up shop in Canada or Mexico or South America with missiles aimed at the US after Canada declared they’re going to join an alliance to contain or destroy us…and an American president in our lifetimes had gotten 100,000 plus American servicemen killed in under a year during an attempt to eliminate these Canadians from the earth who posed a strategic threat to our existence long after the Cold War ended! And the Canadians were spreading a culture of LGBT sodomy, atheism, secularism, and post-modern thinking while closing down canonical Orthodox parishes? Shoot! Maybe that American President was just looking out for his nation?
 
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All the problems with the Russian Army being noted, nevertheless there is the expression "quantity has a quality of its own" and that is certainly true in this war. Ukraine faces massive, massive numbers of Russia soldiers in this current offensive that is shaping up. They are outnumbered at least ten to one in every place they go.

The Russian Army- both high command and front line soldiers have disgraced themselves in every possible way. Nevertheless the next two months for Ukraine are going to be very difficult. Very difficult. There will continue to be many, many Russian killed and wounded but that is not even a consideration for the Russians.

But if Putin can't make this current offensive- that is just beginning to start- work, he is in tough shape. The knives are out for him back home from the hardliners, and he has to deliver. Putin is lost in space. He recently put both Gerasimov and Shoigu in charge of the whole war- the same two who told him he could take Kiev in three days.

And he just made Kadyrov - the Chechen Jihadist- a full general in the Russian Army because he wanted to get all of his jihadi troops in Ukraine. Now Kadyrov/sp is running around announcing that he is going to take Poland. How does that help Putin or anyone else? The last thing that Putin needs right now is to have one his generals telling NATO that they are planning on attacking a NATO country. The arrangement with Kadyrov is a strange one. He is not a Russian and is supposed to be just an ally but Putin made him a full general in the Russian army too to get his troops. Putin fomenting Christian on Christian violence is bad enough but he continues to bring in the jihadists to put down the Christians too. What a mess.

Anyway. Very tough time ahead for the Ukrainians for the next two months, regardless of all their past accomplishments. Putin has to deliver. If he does not deliver, Kadyrov and the Wagner Group thug have plans for Putin.




Poland, he said. Sigh.

A key ally of Putin said he wants to invade Poland next, ignoring Russia's inability to capture Ukraine​


Six months ago “evil” Putin was said to have cancer and mere months to live….then….his people were primed for a full revolution overthrowing this vicious despot! Then….Russia would lose the ruble to oblivion! Then….Russias economy would collapse….then….they’d nuke Ukraine!

These cheesy Ukraine pravda and liberal US/NATO think tanks have been wrong on every level. The ruble was stronger than ever, the economy is hanging on, some protests but support outweighs hatred where Putin is concerned, Putin doesn’t have cancer, and they retook land they lost….and are still there despite awful logistics and many missteps and failures.

Bottom line is this nonsense needs to stop. Russia gets to keep Donbas and eastern territory taken so the Russians living there will no longer suffer, Ukraine cannot join NATO or the EU and must remain neutral, and let Ukraine fall to secularism and a false autocephalic non-canonical “church” along with gay pride parades, “gender-affirming surgery,” a double dose of abortion, nazi death squads, bio labs, and all sorts of other fun.
 
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Rather than enter into the same tired agreement/disagreement on some points above, I will go in the other direction, and say that you had it right in the early days.


I agree with the tone and statements from your March 9 post - particularly where you say:

"We lay people have to do better. This isn't a "globo homo" war. This is about power and restoration of a dead empire. It's about one man's ego. It's about asserting one's will over others. It's about revenge. It's about control. It's about Hitler-style "breathing space." It's appalling."

full post below. other good points contained therein.

gurneyhalleck1 post from March 9, 2022 -

I have to say, I have a VERY heavy heart about this. I think most reasonable people know that Ukraine may be corrupt (aren't all countries these days!?), may want to join the EU and be reaching out to the West, but do they deserve to be bombed mercilessly day and night? Do they deserve no humanitarian safety zones, civilian areas being racked with bombing, all because supposedly there are Nazis and Ukraine wants to join the EU and NATO?

I get a bit fatigued from Russia crying out about gay parades. You guys are very familiar with my views on LGBT. I'm one of the loudest against it....that being said.....poisoning enemies, jailing opposition guys like Nevalyny, endless false flag operations, massive abortion numbers, pilfering $$$$ from your economy so that the people receive very little of it (imagine Russia, as mighty, as huge, as expansive as it is, only has the GDP of Florida!!!! And all the oil, gas, palladium, silver, and other ag money goes directly to the oligarchs. People have an average income of $17,000 in Russia), paying mercenaries to kill Americans in Afghanistan, bombing Chechnya into oblivion, stealing territories in the name of history, etc. is pretty much as bad as sodomy. I'm tired of us over-simplifying sin down to outward sexual acts like being gay. Orthodoxy has always been a sane religion that points out sin being far more nuanced. It's why we do Forgiveness Vespers. We ask forgiveness of people we scarcely know because we know that our indifference toward them, our own innate selfishness, and our inward ego are so great that we need to acknowledge between us all the need to forgive. How a patriarch could take a day this sublime and important and squander it breaks my heart. And listening to people in my parish, they loved his sermon and 9 out of 10 of them have a "Go Putin!" stance. I'm sick hearing this. Total indifference toward people who have lost family, are living in subways and train stations, destroyed homes, dead pets, murdered neighbors, broke and without water/food, husbands left behind to fight possibly to the death....that all means nothing because, heck, Putin is fighting the gays!

We lay people have to do better. This isn't a "globo homo" war. This is about power and restoration of a dead empire. It's about one man's ego. It's about asserting one's will over others. It's about revenge. It's about control. It's about Hitler-style "breathing space." It's appalling. It's not appropriate for Forgiveness Sunday. The patriarch should have taken the time to ask the people to forgive HIM for his indifference and his quiescence in a catastrophe.

Russia will come out of this devastated. So sad.

Bosco!
It speaks volumes to hear a man say these words, brother: I WAS WRONG. Not the first time in my 48 years. Like you, I was brainwashed by the pravda from Ukraine, the neocons, the RINOS, Fox News and all the rags. Yep. If you’re trying to use my old words against me and shame me, I welcome it. Ask my buddy Rus here if I’ve always believed the same things I do now. I don’t. Go back to 2007 or so and you’ll find a hardcore Catholic papist in me! Go back to 2012 and hear a guy who still believed in public education! Go back to 2003 and read where I backed the Iraq War. Yep. You can shame me with quoting back my words. I’m ok with it. And it doesn’t shame me at all.
 
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War brings with it the hunting down of women and children and killing them, because the soldiers sometimes experience such horror that a rage drives them to punish someone. US soldiers have done this too, as did the Japanese in Nanking. It's not genocide. It's called "beserking". It is why war ought to be avoided if at all possible, because war almost always comes to this.
Yep. The Iraq War—-Approximately 177,000 national military and police from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraqi, and Syria allies died. between 275,000 and 306,000 Iraqi civilians killed by direct violence since the U.S. invasion. But hey, that was ok!!! These folks in here wouldn’t have called Bush an ethnic-cleansing megalomaniac.

Going in and carpet-bombing Libya and creating a fertile ground to assassinate Ghaddafi was a classy move, too! Oh yeah!!

Backing extremist rebels in Syria supporting the guys mass slaughtering Orthodox Christians to kill “evil Assad” was also one of our finer moments we should be proud of!

Abu Ghraib, dang…we should be proud. And urinating on dead Afghans was a shining moment.

But, yeah, those Evil Rooskies….
 
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These cheesy Ukraine pravda and liberal US/NATO think tanks have been wrong on every level.

And how about the military "pundits" advising Putin and the Russian TV propaganda that was blasting away telling the Russians the "truth.?"

How is that 3-Day War working out?

But, yes, this nonsense needs to stop indeed. Russia needs to go home. If they get out early enough -including the Donbass- they might be able to keep Crimea.
 
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I agree with all you've said, Scott. It's just I've given up arguing over this with some brethren in here because I think the Western propaganda is too thick to clear it out for what I've said and you have said (and a few others). It just isn't going to be acknowledged and realized, unfortunately.
Yeah, it’s a liberal echo chamber. We need TAW modern and TAW classic. This place has changed….
 
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And how about the military "pundits" advising Putin and Russian TV propaganda that was blasting away telling the Russians the "truth.?"

How is that 3-Day War working out?

But, yes, this nonsense needs to stop indeed. Russia needs to go home. If they get out early enough -including the Donbass- they might be able to keep Crimea.
You must’ve missed my post here where I clearly laid out what an awful job Russia did for the entire first year of this war.

You just don’t get it, Nick. You really don’t. Drinking the Kool Aid of New York Times and CNN….NATO and the US could utterly care less about Ukrainians. They’ll throw five million of them at Russia. They’ll watch the Ukros die to the last man to see the fall of Russia and extend American hegemony. Do you honestly believe we didn’t egg on this war to happen? Did you completely ignore 2014-2020? Do you think this happened out of nowhere? Aye yay yay, guy.
 
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Did you completely ignore 2014-2020? Do you think this happened out of nowhere? Aye yay yay, guy.
Actually, it's the other way around. It is the Putin apologists who ignore 2014 and beyond.

Your go-to argument is that poor Putin was threatened by an increased presence of NATO troops in the region.

Conveniently overlooking the fact that NATO troops were moved into more forward positions because Putin had just invaded and occupied Crimea. A clear sign that he was on the move, and still is.

I understand that this situation is hard on you, having revered Russia as the counterbalance or potential shining safehaven against the decadence in the West. But you put your faith in a spiritually degenerate regime that is functioning on the moral level of ISIS.

So I hear your comment about my drinking Kool Aid but don't be so sure. "In the Land of the Blind even the person with just one eye is considered to be insane." And those who are buying into the Russian trance-state, are in the Land of the Blind.
 
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100%.

And so far tbe Ukrainians have used that factor to bring themselves at parity or above against a force that is ten times larger.

I just don't want to see a bunch of Americans and Europeans get weak kneed when the going gets rough "and why are we backing them if they are losing or not making any progress." type of things. The tough times go with the turf.

And while some can justifiably argue that that attitude has led to some wars that have gone on forever, it is equally true that in those wars we were backing armies that could not get their stuff together and did not want to fight for the most part. (or if the soldiers were willing to fight their regimes were too crooked to support them sufficiently). That is not true of the Ukrainians.
it’s why we gotta pray this ends.
 
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That’s the conventional wisdom. The Russian logistics were especially awful at the beginning of the war. They were sending in the troops with MRE’s that were expired, vehicles with cracked, sun bleached under inflated tires, troops were using cell phones to communicate with command and other stations, tanks and platoons going into harm’s way with zero air support, perimeters not covered, troops demonstrating incompetent training techniques, awful reconnaissance, underestimating the enemy, stinking leadership, and poor planning coupled with vehicles that have poor maintenance schedules. It’s taken a ton of re-shuffling,, new leadership, re-training, and reinforcements along with adapting to get them even halfway decent.
except they aren’t remotely close to being halfway decent. they have lost more flag officers (generals and admirals) in less than a year than any modern war. the ones who have survived are being too quickly reshuffled. that means that they are still incredibly poor. of course, stuff could change, but it hasn’t happened yet.
 
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except they aren’t remotely close to being halfway decent. they have lost more flag officers (generals and admirals) in less than a year than any modern war. the ones who have survived are being too quickly reshuffled. that means that they are still incredibly poor. of course, stuff could change, but it hasn’t happened yet.
I'm wondering how accurate our intel is, though? In an era of propaganda where the United States has ceased to be an honest player and has lowered herself to become more akin to a third world country, I no longer trust much of what we're being told. We were told the COVID vaccine was amazing, so I got my shot and booster. Thank goodness my family was ok, but it's coming out that it wasn't as safe as we were told. Plus the benefits were not the glorious stuff we were told. We're being told 24/7 about the beauties of LGBTism when my wife, as a doctor, sees how they truly live their lives, and it's not only disgusting and soul-destroying, it's health ramifications are terrifying. We are told that Asian hate is all around us and it's white supremacy and Donald Trump driving it, but then we see most of the Asian assaults are from minorities, not white folks? We hear "stats" on gun violence that actually point more toward handguns being the major cause of death, not "assault" rifles, yet the media tells us it's the AR-15 that we must all ban ASAP. Biden is going around blathering on about how Republicans want to eliminate Social Security when they've said nothing remotely like that. You hear the Ukrainians claiming they've killed 200,000 Russians and they've only lost like 15,000. Then they dish out some other stat. We see states re-electing Democrats when only 20% or so of the entire state are registered Democrats. We have elections where more voters voted than we have registered supposedly propelled a geriatric catatonic Marxist to the presidency. "Statistics" and "facts" in 2023 give me pause. Can I trust that the Russians are being decimated? Perhaps. Perhaps not.

The biggest problem with modernity is TRUST. People are losing a sense of trust in Western governance and systems and reporting. We need to get that back, but I'm not sure we can....
 
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Actually, it's the other way around. It is the Putin apologists who ignore 2014 and beyond.

Your go-to argument is that poor Putin was threatened by an increased presence of NATO troops in the region.

Conveniently overlooking the fact that NATO troops were moved into more forward positions because Putin had just invaded and occupied Crimea. A clear sign that he was on the move, and still is.

I understand that this situation is hard on you, having revered Russia as the counterbalance or potential shining safehaven against the decadence in the West. But you put your faith in a spiritually degenerate regime that is functioning on the moral level of ISIS.

So I hear your comment about my drinking Kool Aid but don't be so sure. "In the Land of the Blind even the person with just one eye is considered to be insane." And those who are buying into the Russian trance-state, are in the Land of the Blind.
Reverence goes both ways. You revere a Jewish atheist who shuttered canonical Orthodox parishes accusing clergy of spying. You revere a country that is knocking down Catherine the Great statues and statues of Pushkin in favor of a gay porn star, Billy Herrington along with other secular scum whom the West admires with glee. LGBT activism is on fire in Ukraine and Zelensky has openly spoken about eventual gay "marriage" kicking in, and for now he said he's hoping for civil partnerships. Gay pride parades have been growing in Ukraine. So, you support a gay rights president, a cancel culture president, and someone openly hostile to canonical Orthodoxy. But hey, that's ok. We all have the right to our opinion. Forget the fact that you believe the Monroe Doctrine only applies to your country, but not to other super powers, but that's ok, too. You have that right.

Were you as passionately upset about Kosovo being stolen from the Serbs as you are the Crimea (which was illegally "given" to Ukraine by Khrushchev, that Russia annexed after an election? Were you as upset about NATO bombing Serbia to death as you are mean Putin bombing Ukraine?

You are in good company right now---Biden, Harris, Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham, the ghost of Warmonger McCain, gay rights groups, the EU, NATO, and the military-industrial complex. Considering such great folks you're surrounding yourself with opinion-wise, what could go wrong!? And since we're all being told to back Ukraine, hey, why not, right? It's not like the media could ever be biased or have an agenda! And, as a smart guy, I know you also know that secular modernists are ALWAYS synced up with Holy Orthodoxy!!!
 
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Reverence goes both ways. You revere a Jewish atheist who shuttered canonical Orthodox parishes accusing clergy of spying. You revere a country that is knocking down Catherine the Great statues and statues of Pushkin in favor of a gay inappropriate content star, Billy Herrington along with other secular scum whom the West admires with glee. LGBT activism is on fire in Ukraine and Zelensky has openly spoken about eventual gay "marriage" kicking in, and for now he said he's hoping for civil partnerships. Gay pride parades have been growing in Ukraine. So, you support a gay rights president, a cancel culture president, and someone openly hostile to canonical Orthodoxy. But hey, that's ok. We all have the right to our opinion. Forget the fact that you believe the Monroe Doctrine only applies to your country, but not to other super powers, but that's ok, too. You have that right.

Were you as passionately upset about Kosovo being stolen from the Serbs as you are the Crimea (which was illegally "given" to Ukraine by Khrushchev, that Russia annexed after an election? Were you as upset about NATO bombing Serbia to death as you are mean Putin bombing Ukraine?

You are in good company right now---Biden, Harris, Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham, the ghost of Warmonger McCain, gay rights groups, the EU, NATO, and the military-industrial complex. Considering such great folks you're surrounding yourself with opinion-wise, what could go wrong!? And since we're all being told to back Ukraine, hey, why not, right? It's not like the media could ever be biased or have an agenda! And, as a smart guy, I know you also know that secular modernists are ALWAYS synced up with Holy Orthodoxy!!!

I am not as sure as you are that I am responsible for all the evils of the Western world but I do understand that you are filled with disoriented rage from the fallout out from the collapse of Putin as a demi-god.

As discussed from the beginning, this is not just about the destruction of Ukraine, but eventually people will come to see that Putin is an enemy of Russia as well. A classic lose-lose scenario.

There are exiled Russians fighting with the Ukrainians, and as they say to the Russians: "Your enemies are in the Kremlin, not in Ukraine."
 
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