Teen's Interaction With Transgender Woman in YMCA Locker Room Sparks Heated Debate

[rjs330]

There was about a year where I went to a gym whose primary business was being the regional squash club. They also had saunas and large hot tubs in every locker room. Squash, if you're unfamiliar, is like racquetball, and mostly played by old rich white guys. I'm pretty sure I saw more old rich white guy genitalia in that year than I saw of my own.

Just imagine if it was your daughter viewing it in her locker room.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Just imagine if it was your daughter viewing it in her locker room.

I think it's kind of distasteful for anybody to be flaunting themselves around any locker room, regardless of the gender makeup in the room, but there's nothing inherently traumatic about merely seeing a naked body. If there were, doctors would all be considered victims of sexual assault. There are ways to get changed that may expose yourself while not also calling attention to your being exposed. I'd be bothered by somebody waving their stuff at my daughter; I wouldn't be bothered by somebody minding their own business and my daughter getting an incidental peek at things. By all accounts, the woman in question wasn't flaunting herself. And, again, she didn't actually have the parts that you and others seem to find so bothersome. What the complainant saw was some butt, which we all have.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Yeah this is really unusual. I've been in a lot of men's lockerooms whether at school or during sporting events or at a pool. And there are always naked people there, changing into swimwear or out of swimwear, taking showers etc. So, yes you have been very sheltered.

That honestly explains a lot.

 

[rjs330]

I think it's kind of distasteful for anybody to be flaunting themselves around any locker room, regardless of the gender makeup in the room, but there's nothing inherently traumatic about merely seeing a naked body. If there were, doctors would all be considered victims of sexual assault. There are ways to get changed that may expose yourself while not also calling attention to your being exposed. I'd be bothered by somebody waving their stuff at my daughter; I wouldn't be bothered by somebody minding their own business and my daughter getting an incidental peek at things. By all accounts, the woman in question wasn't flaunting herself. And, again, she didn't actually have the parts that you and others seem to find so bothersome. What the complainant saw was some butt, which we all have.

The problem is that people have to wave and flaunt themselves in order for some to say it's inappropriate. There's not many who wave and flaunt themselves around. Just being naked is enough. If you've got boy parts you should not be exposing them to girls period. Even if you are not flaunting it or waving it around. Just a dude getting undressed in front of girls or girls having to undress in front of a male is enough. Much less having to shower with them.

 

[rjs330]

That honestly explains a lot.

How did you get away with not having those kinds of experiences? Did you not participate in gym classes or sports? Did you never dress or undress or be in a swimming locker room where people.were doing that? If not then you were very sheltered and it definitely explains why you don't see the problem.

But even if you haven't you should be able to understand the issue of girls being exposed to boy gentiles or having to get naked with one.

 

[Larniavc]

What about those who do not accept transgender ideology? Should it be shoved down our throats because it's the "new normal"?

Yes. People who can't accept modern society are more than welcome to begin a religious community like the Amish where such ideology can be maintained. There they can seethe at other people being different with each other in a safe space where modern society is not able to ruin their day.

 

[rjs330]

Yes. People who can't accept modern society are more than welcome to begin a religious community like the Amish where such ideology can be maintained. There they can seethe at other people being different with each other in a safe space where modern society is not able to ruin their day.

Yes of course it should. Girls absolutely should have to get naked and shower with boys even if they dont want to.

And parents absolutely should have their kids taken away if they don't want their kids chemically castrated and physically mutilated.

Yes and absolutely schools should transition your child without your knowledge.

Yes you Will Comply.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

How did you get away with not having those kinds of experiences? Did you not participate in gym classes or sports? Did you never dress or undress or be in a swimming locker room where people.were doing that? If not then you were very sheltered and it definitely explains why you don't see the problem.

But even if you haven't you should be able to understand the issue of girls being exposed to boy gentiles or having to get naked with one.

Yes, I had gym class, I guess my heterosexual upbringing and non gay tendencies prevented me from actively looking at other people's genitalia.

 

[rjs330]

I guess you never had to get na

Yes, I had gym class, I guess my heterosexual upbringing and non gay tendencies prevented me from actively looking at other people's genitalia.

Are you deliberately misunderstanding the issue? Let me help. We are not talking about boys undressing with boys. We are talking about boys and girls being forced to undress together. Getting naked together. Showering together.

How can you have missed that?

 

[rjs330]

Yes, I had gym class, I guess my heterosexual upbringing and non gay tendencies prevented me from actively looking at other people's genitalia.

Have a lot of girls in your locker room getting naked with you did you?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Have a lot of girls in your locker room getting naked with you did you?

I'm beginning to think I know who the real sexual perverts are.

 

[SilverBear]

Identified how? Did she walk into the locker room and start telling everyone she trans? Did she put an add in the paper? I don't know all the trans people.in my community and certainly wouldn't know they are just by seeing their behind.

You seem to believe that everyone just knows where all the fundamentalist bakers are. It works the same way.

 

[rjs330]

I've now read all the stories a watched the videos I could find. I still don't know the answer to my question.

How did she know he was a man? She said she saw his behind and not the front genitalia. She never described the person, never gave a name.

How do we even know that the person who claims to be the person is the one she saw? It looks like she has breasts. So why would our young lady assume it was a man?

What I'm finding here is our journalism is sadly lacking. No one asked the question.

Our trans person said it was her. How do we know?

No one has followed up with our young lady and asked her if the 60 year old was the one she saw.

I'm beginning to wonder if the 60 year old was the one that she saw.

 

[SilverBear]

There was about a year where I went to a gym whose primary business was being the regional squash club. They also had saunas and large hot tubs in every locker room. Squash, if you're unfamiliar, is like racquetball, and mostly played by old rich white guys. I'm pretty sure I saw more old rich white guy genitalia in that year than I saw of my own.

You must be scared for life because of that.

 

[rjs330]

I'm beginning to think I know who the real sexual perverts are.

Huh? What's that got to do with girls having to get naked with boys?

Is someone required to be a pervert?

You make no sense b

 

[rjs330]

You must be scared for life because of that.

He's Probably not.

But girls could be scarred if they have to undress with boys.

 

[SilverBear]

I'm beginning to think I know who the real sexual perverts are.

kind of obvious isn't it?

 

[rjs330]

This is a fascinating indicator of propriety and inappropriateness.

Some here see no problems with girls being forced to get naked with boys whether they want to or not.

While others think girls should not be forced to get naked with boys.

It's definitely an indicator of where people's values are.

 

[rjs330]

kind of obvious isn't it?

What does perversion have to do with forcing girls to get naked with boys? Is it some required feature?

Girls don't want to expose thier bodies to boys. And they don't want to see the boys exposed genitalia. Does that somehow make them perverts?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

This is a fascinating indicator of propriety and inappropriateness.

Some here see no problems with girls being forced to get naked with boys whether they want to or not.

While others think girls should not be forced to get naked with boys.

It's definitely an indicator of where people's values are.

I guess that is why I don't go to the YMCA if the force this kind of behavior.