Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

[rturner76]

Do black people get approved for more loans and get better rates at "black owned" banks?

I don't know of many black-owned banks. But it's usually white-owned banks getting busted for redlining.

 

[rturner76]

Please show us how much money a black person makes compared to a white person with the exact same job in the exact same area with the exact same qualifications including experience. What's the pay gap there?

Cause your biased article doesn't say. It's meaningless unless you are comparing equally. Which you are not.

I'm sure it is meaningless to you. You have no skin in the game. These issues won't likely affect you other than being annoyed that people are still complaining about racism. Like why can't people just shut up and stay in their place seems to be the attitude.

 

[Lost Witness]

Racism is a perpetuating cycle,
You can't fight fire with fire or racism with racism,
it'll only get much worse.
the only CURE is The LORD Jesus

 

[Ken-1122]

I never said it can't be overcome but it can be an obstacle.

25 simple charts to show friends and family who aren't convinced racism is still a problem in America

Research has extensively documented the differences between the Black and white experience in the US, from wealth and education to incarceration.

www.businessinsider.com

I only scanned over this link a bit, but one part caught my eye that I had to comment on. The part that mentioned blacks being under represented in running this country (Specifically Congress) I had to call BS on that one. Ever heard of the Congressional Black Caucus? (CBC) according to their website, they represent over 25% of the US population; and all members of the CBC are black, but not all black people in congress choose to become CBC members; some choose not to. But just counting CBC members, 25% of the US population is twice the percentage of black people in this country (13%). No other race in the history of this country has ever had that much representative power in proportion to population; and if you count the members who are not CBC members, it is even more! IMO To suggest there aren’t enough black members of congress is as absurd as suggesting there aren’t enough black men in the NBA; black people have plenty of political power in this country.

Congressional Black Caucus

The Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) has been committed to using the full Constitutional power, statutory authority, and financial resources of the federal government to ensure that African Americans and other marginalized communities in the United States have the opportunity to achieve the...

cbc.house.gov

 

[rturner76]

I only scanned over this link a bit, but one part caught my eye that I had to comment on. The part that mentioned blacks being under represented in running this country (Specifically Congress) I had to call BS on that one. Ever heard of the Congressional Black Caucus? (CBC) according to their website, they represent over 25% of the US population; and all members of the CBC are black, but not all black people in congress choose to become CBC members; some choose not to. But just counting CBC members, 25% of the US population is twice the percentage of black people in this country (13%). No other race in the history of this country has ever had that much representative power in proportion to population; and if you count the members who are not CBC members, it is even more! IMO To suggest there aren’t enough black members of congress is as absurd as suggesting there aren’t enough black men in the NBA; black people have plenty of political power in this country.

Congressional Black Caucus

The Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) has been committed to using the full Constitutional power, statutory authority, and financial resources of the federal government to ensure that African Americans and other marginalized communities in the United States have the opportunity to achieve the...

cbc.house.gov

 

[rjs330]

I'm sure it is meaningless to you. You have no skin in the game. These issues won't likely affect you other than being annoyed that people are still complaining about racism. Like why can't people just shut up and stay in their place seems to be the attitude.

So you don't have anything then. I didn't think so.

Person A makes $500 a day

Person B makes $200 a day.

It's so unfair! And unjust. B people are just being discriminated against cause both people went to college and got advance degrees.

Person A went to school and got a master's in Chemical Engineering.

Person B went to school and got a master's in History.

But that's still so unfair and discriminatory right?

 

[Ana the Ist]

I don't know of many black-owned banks. But it's usually white-owned banks getting busted for redlining.

Well I'm glad we agree though nation fights against racism....it isn't embedded in the fabric of blah blah blah. It's fought against in our courts.

 

[DaisyDay]

I only scanned over this link a bit, but one part caught my eye that I had to comment on. The part that mentioned blacks being under represented in running this country (Specifically Congress) I had to call BS on that one. Ever heard of the Congressional Black Caucus? (CBC) according to their website, they represent over 25% of the US population; and all members of the CBC are black, but not all black people in congress choose to become CBC members; some choose not to. But just counting CBC members, 25% of the US population is twice the percentage of black people in this country (13%). No other race in the history of this country has ever had that much representative power in proportion to population; and if you count the members who are not CBC members, it is even more! IMO To suggest there aren’t enough black members of congress is as absurd as suggesting there aren’t enough black men in the NBA; black people have plenty of political power in this country.

Congressional Black Caucus

The Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) has been committed to using the full Constitutional power, statutory authority, and financial resources of the federal government to ensure that African Americans and other marginalized communities in the United States have the opportunity to achieve the...

cbc.house.gov

There are a total of 435 Representatives and 100 Senators, 56 of whom belong to the CBC. 56 is not 25% of 535.

I think there is some misunderstanding about the term "represent". Each Representative represents his entire district, all the people in the district, not just the ones who voted them in and not just the ones of the same race, gender, etc. Each Senator represents all the people of that state. This is what is meant by "representative democracy".

 

[rjs330]

There are a total of 435 Representatives and 100 Senators, 56 of whom belong to the CBC. 56 is not 25% of 535.

I think there is some misunderstanding about the term "represent". Each Representative represents his entire district, all the people in the district, not just the ones who voted them in and not just the ones of the same race, gender, etc. Each Senator represents all the people of that state. This is what is meant by "representative democracy".

This is why strict numbers can't be used in this case. If you are measuring strictly by percentages, there should 69 blacks in Congress instead of 59. However, Congressmen as you noted represent districts or states and not total population. I don't think any states have majority black population yet they represent 11 states.

I don't know how many predominantly black districts there are and how many of those have chosen black representatives in the house. Some goes for mixed districtsnor all white districts.

If a predominately black district votes for a black representative then they are fairly represented as that member represents his/her district.

That's if you are strictly looking at race and trying to divide this country by race.

 

[DaisyDay]

This is why strict numbers can't be used in this case. If you are measuring strictly by percentages, there should 69 blacks in Congress instead of 59. However, Congressmen as you noted represent districts or states and not total population. I don't think any states have majority black population yet they represent 11 states.

I don't know how many predominantly black districts there are and how many of those have chosen black representatives in the house. Some goes for mixed districtsnor all white districts.

If a predominately black district votes for a black representative then they are fairly represented as that member represents his/her district.

That's if you are strictly looking at race and trying to divide this country by race.

Yeah, I am NOT strictly looking at race and trying to divide this country by race. I am correcting the misunderstanding of the previous poster of what the CBC meant by "represent". Apparently you, too, are under the misapprehension that a black person only represents the black members of his or her district or state.

 

[rturner76]

So you don't have anything then. I didn't think so.

Person A makes $500 a day

Person B makes $200 a day.

It's so unfair! And unjust. B people are just being discriminated against cause both people went to college and got advance degrees.

Person A went to school and got a master's in Chemical Engineering.

Person B went to school and got a master's in History.

But that's still so unfair and discriminatory right?

Most of the statistics say these are equally qualified people doing the same job. There was always a disparity and it continues.

 

[rturner76]

Well I'm glad we agree though nation fights against racism....it isn't embedded in the fabric of blah blah blah. It's fought against in our courts.

You won't be affected by it so the blah blah blah won't register with you. If you have been affected by it, it will. Funny how you don't think one generation doesn't affect the subsequent generations. I already posted about ancestral trauma but I guess you just disregard the concept. Convenient.

 

[Pommer]

Well I'm glad we agree though nation fights against racism....it isn't embedded in the fabric of blah blah blah. It's fought against in our courts.

The thing that you’re arguing “doesn’t exist” is being fought over in the courts?
How is this a point in your favor?

 

[rturner76]

The thing that you’re arguing “doesn’t exist” is being fought over in the courts?
How is this a point in your favor?

 

[SilverBear]

So you don't have anything then. I didn't think so.

Person A makes $500 a day

Person B makes $200 a day.

It's so unfair! And unjust. B people are just being discriminated against cause both people went to college and got advance degrees.

Person A went to school and got a master's in Chemical Engineering.

Person B went to school and got a master's in History.

But that's still so unfair and discriminatory right?

and what about person C also got a master's in chemical engineering graduated with honors and has the same experience as person A but still makes $260?

 

[rjs330]

and what about person C also got a master's in chemical engineering graduated with honors and has the same experience as person A but still makes $260?

I'm afraid you have no evidence of that. Research has shown all the his equal, the difference is 2 cents in the dollar.

 

[Ken-1122]

There are a total of 435 Representatives and 100 Senators, 56 of whom belong to the CBC. 56 is not 25% of 535.

True! The actual number of CBC members in the House is around 10% or so…. pretty close to the percentage of blacks in the US

I think there is some misunderstanding about the term "represent". Each Representative represents his entire district, all the people in the district, not just the ones who voted them in and not just the ones of the same race, gender, etc.

I don’t see the misunderstanding. Yes the actual number of house members is around 10% but I suspect the districts they represent has a higher than average number of people in them, so the actual number of people they represent is at least 25%.

 

[Ken-1122]

and what about person C also got a master's in chemical engineering graduated with honors and has the same experience as person A but still makes $260?

Where do they live? Does person C live in the South where pay is less because the cost of living is less? Does person A live in California where the pay is more because the cost of living is more?

 

[Pommer]

Where do they live? Does person C live in the South where pay is less because the cost of living is less? Does person A live in California where the pay is more because the cost of living is more?

Another “whatever the reason, it isn’t racism!” argument.
At least you’re consistent.

 

[Ana the Ist]

You won't be affected by it so the blah blah blah won't register with you.

I've given you several examples now of white people losing jobs or opportunities...and you're still trying to act like white people don't experience racism or if they do, it somehow doesn't matter, and that's because you don't really care about stopping racism or preventing it from happening.

You only care about it happening to people who look like you.

If you have been affected by it, it will.

I won't be affected by it personally. We have a union and lawyers and frankly, since we're basically in the federal government....too risky. It's not difficult for us to just contact the right person to put an end to any racist training or policies.

That doesn't mean that I would ever help the people who want those racist policies or believe those racist training sessions.

Funny how you don't think one generation doesn't affect the subsequent generations.

It doesn't affect DNA. The obvious examples are every successful Jewish person who has a family member who survived the Holocaust. There's no shortage of them. There's no shortage of white people who have generations of men who experienced combat in war, which has to be about a thousand times more traumatic than being called racial slur.

Are all these people somehow immune to this "trauma" you imagine is being passed down genetically?

I don't believe white people have magical genes and black people are all extremely genetically fragile and unable to overcome adversity.

It's not just an incredibly racist argument....it's conclusions are the opposite what you want. That's why it was dropped rather quickly as an explanation for anything. "Systemic racism" and "epigenetic intergenerational trauma" serve the same purpose as arguments (absolving black people of any responsibility or scrutiny for problems they face as a community) but the epigenetic argument leads to very different but equally racist conclusions.

I already posted about ancestral trauma but I guess you just disregard the concept. Convenient.

Consider how quickly the Jewish people bounced back from centuries of oppression and even an industrialized genocide and how white people somehow manage to fight a war every 10 years or less....

And since I can't imagine anything more stressful than combat in warfare or institutional genocide....consider what exactly is the thing you want to convince me of? That black people are just super fragile and unable to handle stress or conflict? That these things, even in small doses, create generations of damage?

Is that your claim here?