God makes no distinction between Jew and greek, why do so many scholars like to ?

[ralliann]

If you were a gentile living in the time period between Exodus and Acts, could you have made use of this knowledge?

of course. Gentiles always sought to become children of promise through the covenant of circumcision. In Jesus Christ is the circumcision of the heart for both Jew and Gentile for children of promise.

 

[Guojing]

of course. Gentiles always sought to become children of promise through the covenant of circumcision. In Jesus Christ is the circumcision of the heart for both Jew and Gentile for children of promise.

So you believe I could tell Moses and the others, say in the time of Deuteronomy, that I have no need to be physically circumcised and join the nation of Israel, because "In Jesus Christ is the circumcision of the heart for both Jew and Gentile for children of promise?"

How do you think Moses would respond to that?

 

[ralliann]

So you believe I could tell Moses and the others, say in the time of Deuteronomy, that I have no need to be physically circumcised and join the nation of Israel, because "In Jesus Christ is the circumcision of the heart for both Jew and Gentile for children of promise?"

No need to be physically circumcised to be a kingdom of Priests in the order of Melchizedek.

How do you think Moses would respond to that?

De 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

 

[Guojing]

No need to be physically circumcised to be a kingdom of Priests in the order of Melchizedek.

De 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

So you believe moses would allow you to ignore genesis 17:14?

Did you just make that up?

 

[Wayne Gabler]

'God's People' by the time Re:21 is unfolding is Adam and Eve and all their children as that is who is covered by these verses:
Re:20:4-5:
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast,
neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their foreheads,
or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.

The division could be as easy as this:

Joh:12:42-43:
Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him;
but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him,
lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

This parable could also be involved: (The whole thing is well worth reading)
M't:20:2:
And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day,
he sent them into his vineyard.
.
.
M't:20:13:
But he answered one of them,
and said,
Friend,
I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?

 

[Wayne Gabler]

So you believe moses would allow you to ignore genesis 17:14?

Did you just make that up?

We have it done to our hearts as the way to identify us as believers, rather than the OT was of marking somebody.
Col:2:11:
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands,
in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

The12 Tribes can do events that would make any Christian a false Christan in a heartbeat, such as the 'profaned' verses from Eze:36:
Eze:36:20:
And when they entered unto the heathen,
whither they went,
they profaned my holy name,
when they said to them,
These are the people of the LORD,
and are gone forth out of his land.

Grace would seem to cover any of this 'sins'.

 

[Guojing]

We have it done to our hearts as the way to identify us as believers, rather than the OT was of marking somebody.
Col:2:11:
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands,
in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

We were talking about the time of Deuteronomy

God makes no distinction between Jew and greek, why do so many scholars like to ?

If you were a gentile living in the time period between Exodus and Acts, could you have made use of this knowledge? of course. Gentiles always sought to become children of promise through the covenant of circumcision. In Jesus Christ is the circumcision of the heart for both Jew and Gentile for...

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[ralliann]

So you believe moses would allow you to ignore genesis 17:14?

Did you just make that up?

Paul taught the fulfilling of the law. Do you reject Paul?

 

[Wayne Gabler]

We were talking about the time of Deuteronomy

God makes no distinction between Jew and greek, why do so many scholars like to ?

If you were a gentile living in the time period between Exodus and Acts, could you have made use of this knowledge? of course. Gentiles always sought to become children of promise through the covenant of circumcision. In Jesus Christ is the circumcision of the heart for both Jew and Gentile for...

www.christianforums.com

I was posting about Christians.

 

[Soyeong]

Galatians 3/ 26-29
26. You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.

seems we are all Abrahams seed, and heirs to the promise, and that there is no distinction between Jew and Greek. Seems pretty clear, yet listening to preachers all you hear is distinctions being made, all you hear is the church and the Jews are not the same.

thoughts


thanks

Saying that two groups have something in common is not saying that they have no distinctions. The Bible clearly refers to those who are Jews and Greeks, slaves and free, men and women, and Paul specifically identified as a Jew multiple times (Acts 21:39, 22:3), so he was not denying the reality of these distinctions, but rather he was denying that they give someone a special status when it comes to being sons of God through faith in Christ and being sons of Abraham, heirs to the promise.

 

[Wayne Gabler]

Abraham was a child of Adam and Eve, the heritage in Luke goes back to Eve. That would mean the giants are included in the saved. They are the ones the seas give up in the GWT verses in Re:20.

 

[Guojing]

I was posting about Christians.

So it has nothing to do with the post that you replied to.

 

[Guojing]

Paul taught the fulfilling of the law. Do you reject Paul?

We were talking about the time of Deuteronomy, during Moses time. There was no Paul then.

 

[Wayne Gabler]

We were talking about the time of Deuteronomy, during Moses time. There was no Paul then.

Paul's writing are helpful to the people who will be alive when this is being fulfilled: (rather than there is no connection):
De:4:26-31:
I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day,
that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it;
ye shall not prolong your days upon it,
but shall utterly be destroyed.
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations,
and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,
whither the LORD shall lead you.
And there ye shall serve gods,
the work of men's hands,
wood and stone,
which neither see,
nor hear,
nor eat,
nor smell.
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

 

[Guojing]

Paul's writing are helpful to the people who will be alive when this is being fulfilled: (rather than there is no connection):

Since the people who lived during Moses time in Deuteronomy, would be dead long before Paul was born, there is still no connection since they will not be alive to read any of Paul's writings.

But to sum up what you are saying

There was a distinction between Jews and Gentiles during Moses time but not NOW during our time.

Would you agree with that?

 

[ralliann]

We were talking about the time of Deuteronomy, during Moses time. There was no Paul then.

What about the time of Deuteronomy? There was a Temple, and sacrifices etc. The son's of Aaron were the priests along with the Levites. No king David either.

 

[ralliann]

So you believe I could tell Moses and the others, say in the time of Deuteronomy, that I have no need to be physically circumcised and join the nation of Israel, because "In Jesus Christ is the circumcision of the heart for both Jew and Gentile for children of promise?"

How do you think Moses would respond to that?

What has this to do with the new covenant?

 

[Guojing]

What has this to do with the new covenant?

The question is whether God made a distinction between Jews and gentiles at the time of Moses.

 

[ralliann]

The question is whether God made a distinction between Jews and gentiles at the time of Moses.

Right, in the new covenant.

 

[Guojing]

Right, in the new covenant.

Which did not exist During Moses time