Can people who disagree on abortion stop attacking each other?

[Desk trauma]

i was saying, that as a christian. i believe abortion is murder. what are you suggesting i do?

Nothing.

 

[Desk trauma]

Is there a victory if you don't change your mind that abortion is murder? I don’t think so.

A missed opportunity for cake.

 

[NxNW]

Transcendent objective truth.

Let me know when such is unquestionably revealed to us.

 

[NxNW]

So anyone who is on life support is not a human being?

If they've been born, they are a human being. That's pretty basic stuff.

By your definition of "exist". What about those with severe disabilities who need help with day-to-day life, such as feeding and being dressed? What about the elderly who also need assistance? The third definition of exist, "minimal level" seems to describe all of these states of living.

All human beings, having been born.

 

[NxNW]

That does not mean that abortion is not killing a human being. What would you call killing an innocent life?

I've given reasonable arguments as to why it's not.

 

[NxNW]

So just kill them. Which also is not murder for some reason.

That's why people prepare medical directives.

 

[NxNW]

Alright.

What is your definition of innocent?

How long after conception do humans start sinning?

 

[comana]

So just kill them. Which also is not murder for some reason.

If they are brain dead they are already dead. A machine is artificially keeping their organs alive.

 

[NxNW]

And I bet you wouldn't say that of a loved one.

My loved ones have given me medical directives specifying exactly that.

 

[Lost Witness]

How long after conception do humans start sinning?

A better question would be when does the age of accountability start?
The answer is,
When did you learn "right from wrong"?

 

[YahuahSaves]

The fact that they separate after conception is the complication which defeats the claim that life begins at conception.

When Does Life Begin?

"Biology, the study of life, is the most appropriate science to determine when life begins. It provides certain characteristics of living things that define something as alive. These characteristics of living things all become present precisely at the moment of conception (fertilization). It is the process of fertilization that forms the first cell (characteristic) with a unique genetic code (characteristic) that begins to grow and develop (characteristic), using materials and energy to do so (characteristic) while responding to its external environment (characteristic) and maintaining a stable internal environment (characteristic). This is the reason that virtually all biologists would agree that life begins at conception. That is, an embryo is alive from conception."

Is That Life a Person?

"The question that divides opinions is whether this ‘living thing’ is a person, whether an embryo is a baby. So, let’s start by defining the term ‘person’. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines a person as a “human individual”.

"We all know that DNA can be used to solve crimes. That’s because the differences in our DNA identify us as individuals. The DNA formed at conception is uniquely distinct from both the mother’s and the father’s DNA, which confirm that the embryo is not only human but is an individual human. Science confirms the embryo is a person by definition: At conception, the embryo is a human individual."

What About the Soul?

"In exploring our question, Is an Embryo a Baby, here’s what we’ve found scientifically:

A person (baby) is defined as a human individual.
An embryo (zygote) first becomes alive at conception.
This embryo is human at conception, having fully human DNA.
This embryo is an individual human organism at conception, having uniquely distinct DNA.
At this point we can conclusively say that science teaches us the first cell formed at fertilization is a human individual. Scientific observation definitively shows that an embryo is a person at conception; an embryo is a baby at conception."

"What’s left then? Why do some still object to this conclusion? The most common objection is that there is more to what it means to be a person. What about the soul? The problem here is that the soul is not a scientific concept. More to the point, because the soul is unobservable, scientific observation cannot provide any insight into whether and when the soul is present".

From: Is an Embryo a Baby? | Scientifically

 

[NxNW]

Just because you personally don't believe it doesn't make it not true.

It's not true because conception is not in the womb.

Can you prove God does not see us before we are formed? It's enough to know God sees us 'before we are formed' Which could well be from conception. Unsure where you got the idea I think life starts sometime later.

If you said we're formed in the womb, as the Bible does, then it's after conception. Because conception does not take place in the womb.

 

[NxNW]

A better question would be when does the age of accountability start?
The answer is,
When did you learn "right from wrong"?

Are you saying that no sins are committed prior to such an age?

 

[Desk trauma]

It's not true because conception is not in the womb.

If you said we're formed in the womb, as the Bible does, then it's after conception. Because conception does not take place in the womb.

It's almost as if the people thousands of years ago didn't have a detailed understanding of such things and were not gifted one by an all knowing deity, silly as that may sound to some.

 

[Belk]

Can people who disagree on abortion stop attacking each other?​

I don't think so

<Looks at thread>​

QED

 

[Desk trauma]

I don't think so

<Looks at thread>​

QED

But on it goes, Yeeha.

 

[NxNW]

When Does Life Begin?

virtually all biologists would agree that life begins at conception. That is, an embryo is alive from conception."

So both identical twins are alive at conception?

Yes or no?

 

[coffee4u]

There are differences at a highly-detailed level, and they are clearly separate human beings once born.

They are separate beings from conception with a 50% or so chance of being the opposit sex from the mother -male.

The zygote contains all of the genetic information (DNA) it will ever have from conception to old age death. The DNA won't decrease or increase over the life of the individual. Half the DNA comes from the mother's egg and half from the father's sperm, but it is a unique combination shared by no other person except an identical twin.

 

[Lost Witness]

Are you saying that no sins are committed prior to such an age?

Don't think i said that?

 

[coffee4u]

So both identical twins are alive at conception?

Yes or no?

An identical twin is simply a natural clone of the fertilized egg.