Incredible Case Of The Only Individual Whose Parents Were Two Different Species

[Frank Robert]

Highlights

Found in Denisova Cave, this child — known as “Denisova 11” — was at least 13 years of age at the time of her death. ​

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The DNA of this girl — Denisova 11 — also suggests that there was some quite significant movement of Neanderthal groups between Western Europe and the East.​

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An ancient child from Siberia is believed to be the only know individual whose parents were from two different species. The studied remains belonged to a girl who had a Neanderthal mother and a Denisovan father.

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The ancient teenager​

Found in Denisova Cave, this child — known as “Denisova 11” — was at least 13 years of age at the time of her death. Analysis of a piece of her bone found that the girl died more than 50,000 years ago. The cause of her death and how she lived is still being investigated.​

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This discovery occurred through ancient DNA analysis, whereby a small piece of the teenager’s bone was pulverised, the DNA extracted, and then sequenced. The sequence was then compared to previously analysed samples from Neanderthals, modern humans, and Denisovans. Her genetic traits could only be explained if her mother was a Neanderthal and her father was a Denisovan.​

Species replaced by humans 40,000 years ago​

Neanderthals and Denisovans inhabited Eurasia until about 40,000 years ago when they were replaced by modern humans (Homo sapiens). But before this replacement occurred, there appears to have been a fair bit of mingling going on whenever the different groups met.​

 

[Tinker Grey]

Kinda messes with the typical usage of species.

 

[Bradskii]

Kinda messes with the typical usage of species.

Two creatures not being able to reproduce will mean they are different species, so that definition stands - used in that way. But being able to reproduce doesn't necessarily mean that you are the same species. Lions and tigers come to mind.

And there'll be a point where we both split from a common ancestor and there were technically two species from that point, but the differences were negligible. And a few hundred thousand years isn't very long to make significant changes (whereas chimps andus headed in different directions over 7 million years ago).

 

[Tinker Grey]

Two creatures not being able to reproduce will mean they are different species, so that definition stands - used in that way. But being able to reproduce doesn't necessarily mean that you are the same species. Lions and tigers come to mind.

And there'll be a point where we both split from a common ancestor and there were technically two species from that point, but the differences were negligible. And a few hundred thousand years isn't very long to make significant changes (whereas chimps andus headed in different directions over 7 million years ago).

Good answer. Thanks

 

[AV1611VET]

An ancient child from Siberia is believed to be the only know individual whose parents were from two different species. The studied remains belonged to a girl who had a Neanderthal mother and a Denisovan father.

All three of these people were human beings.

 

[Frank Robert]

All three of these people were human beings.

Yes.
A Neanderthal mother a Denisovan father and a hybrid child who is the only know individual whose parents were from two different species.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes.
A Neanderthal mother a Denisovan father and a hybrid child who is the only know individual whose parents were from two different species.

Would you categorize the victims of Thalidomide under a different species?

I doubt it.

 

[dlamberth]

All three of these people were human beings.

Would they be considered Homo sapiens?

 

[AV1611VET]

Would they be considered Homo sapiens?

Not by academic standards.

But by Biblical standards, I think they were, at one time, human beings no different than you or I.

Either that, or they were the offspring of human beings, who were altered by a punishment of God.

 

[dlamberth]

Either that, or they were the offspring of human beings, who were altered by a punishment of God.

 

[AV1611VET]

Deuteronomy 28:59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

Read Psalm 38, where I believe David was afflicted by it, and he describes it in detail.

 

[dlamberth]

Deuteronomy 28:59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

Read Psalm 38, where I believe David was afflicted by it, and he describes it in detail.

It's a total blessing having been freed from those images and beliefs of a vengeful God.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's a total blessing having been freed from those images and beliefs of a vengeful God.

Do you know the difference between vengeance and judgement?

 

[Astrid]

Highlights

Found in Denisova Cave, this child — known as “Denisova 11” — was at least 13 years of age at the time of her death. ​

​

The DNA of this girl — Denisova 11 — also suggests that there was some quite significant movement of Neanderthal groups between Western Europe and the East.​

​

An ancient child from Siberia is believed to be the only know individual whose parents were from two different species. The studied remains belonged to a girl who had a Neanderthal mother and a Denisovan father.

​

The ancient teenager​

Found in Denisova Cave, this child — known as “Denisova 11” — was at least 13 years of age at the time of her death. Analysis of a piece of her bone found that the girl died more than 50,000 years ago. The cause of her death and how she lived is still being investigated.​

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This discovery occurred through ancient DNA analysis, whereby a small piece of the teenager’s bone was pulverised, the DNA extracted, and then sequenced. The sequence was then compared to previously analysed samples from Neanderthals, modern humans, and Denisovans. Her genetic traits could only be explained if her mother was a Neanderthal and her father was a Denisovan.​

Species replaced by humans 40,000 years ago​

Neanderthals and Denisovans inhabited Eurasia until about 40,000 years ago when they were replaced by modern humans (Homo sapiens). But before this replacement occurred, there appears to have been a fair bit of mingling going on whenever the different groups met.​

"Species of HUMAN"

 

[Astrid]

Kinda messes with the typical usage of species.

Not to a biologist

 

[Astrid]

It's a total blessing having been freed from those images and beliefs of a vengeful God.

Imagine being free of thread hijackers

 

[AV1611VET]

"Species of HUMAN"

Yup -- all three of them were human beings.

 

[AV1611VET]

Imagine being free of thread hijackers.

It takes at least two to hijack a thread, doesn't it?

 

[Frank Robert]

Would you categorize the victims of Thalidomide under a different species?

I doubt it.

Why do you portray yourself as a dumb fool when you obviously know better?

 

[Frank Robert]

Not by academic standards.

But by Biblical standards, I think they were, at one time, human beings no different than you or I.

Either that, or they were the offspring of human beings, who were altered by a punishment of God.

Playing dumb does not excuse you multiple bizarre off topic comments