Different kinds of healing?

[dqhall]

You make some good points, let me reiterate this a bit,..

Certainly GOD is more than capable of healing individually, but what He wants to do is heal in a greater capacity, and that's where the individual comes in, where He uses the gifts of healings within a person to affect greater amounts of people, like what we read of with Peter.

To me, that was the plan for the assembly, since The Holy Spirit listed gifts of healings as a ministry,...

1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and severally members thereof.
1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, divers kinds of tongues.

For some reason I've seen, or heard on worship songs, people thinking that they can call upon The Holy Spirit to move in an assembly and do the healing,.... that's not biblical. I don't know where this came from, other than some people thinking that they can just bypass the ministry a person should have in their assembly and go to GOD directly all the time.

That sort of ministry is sorely missing from the corporate body right now, big time.

I prefer the NIV. The World English Bible (WEB) is in the public domain, without copyright. The KJV copyright expired. The American Standard (ASV) translation copyright expired.

James 5:13 (WEB) Is any among you suffering? Let him pray. Is any cheerful? Let him sing praises. 14 Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the assembly, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord, 15 and the prayer of faith will heal him who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. If he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. 16 Confess your offenses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The insistent prayer of a righteous person is powerfully effective.

 

[ARBITER01]

I prefer the NIV. The World English Bible (WEB) is in the public domain, without copyright. The KJV copyright expired. The American Standard (ASV) translation copyright expired.

James 5:13 (WEB) Is any among you suffering? Let him pray. Is any cheerful? Let him sing praises. 14 Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the assembly, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord, 15 and the prayer of faith will heal him who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. If he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. 16 Confess your offenses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The insistent prayer of a righteous person is powerfully effective.

(I prefer the Revised Version with corrections from the received text.)

Yep, that's individual healing. There are various ways that GOD can heal, what I'm addressing is the ministry portion of the gifts of healings. We see it in operation here,....

Act 5:14 and believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women;
Act 5:15 insomuch that they even carried out the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that, as Peter came by, at the least his shadow might overshadow some one of them.
Act 5:16 And there also came together the multitude from the cities round about Jerusalem, bringing sick folk, and them that were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.

That is actual divine healing, where GOD operates the gift and the glory is His,... Peter was only an instrument of His righteousness in that example. He didn't say anything or do anything, he was just there while GOD performed the healing through him.

 

[dqhall]

(I prefer the Revised Version with corrections from the received text.)

Yep, that's individual healing. There are various ways that GOD can heal, what I'm addressing is the ministry portion of the gifts of healings. We see it in operation here,....

Act 5:14 and believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women;
Act 5:15 insomuch that they even carried out the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that, as Peter came by, at the least his shadow might overshadow some one of them.
Act 5:16 And there also came together the multitude from the cities round about Jerusalem, bringing sick folk, and them that were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.

That is actual divine healing, where GOD operates the gift and the glory is His,... Peter was only an instrument of His righteousness in that example. He didn't say anything or do anything, he was just there while GOD performed the healing through him.

Peter must have been preaching God’s salvation. As people heard and saw Peter, they believed and were being saved. News of the miracles attracted people to Christianity.

Craig Keener published the account of a gifted singer who was paralyzed in an auto accident. She was in a wheel chair, her legs atrophied, she could not feel her legs for more than twenty years. Many prayed for her. Some laid hands on and tried to pull her out of her chair, to no avail. She attended church and sang from her wheel chair year after year. She met her husband at a church. One night she was at a Christian conference. Nathan Morris prayed for her. She began to feel her legs. With two people supporting her, she began to walk. It was recorded on video. Within weeks she was walking without support. From the book: Miracles Today: The Supernatural Work of God in the Modern World, 2021, Craig Keener.

 

[ARBITER01]

Peter must have been preaching God’s salvation. As people heard and saw Peter, they believed and were being saved. News of the miracles attracted people to Christianity.

Does the text say that he was?

This was corporate healing by GOD, it had nothing to do with salvation, or Peter.

 

[dqhall]

Does the text say that he was?

This was corporate healing by GOD, it had nothing to do with salvation, or Peter.

If you repent, God will forgive you.

Matthew 11:21
"Woe to you Chorazin! Woe to you Bethsaida! For if the miracles having taken place in you had taken place in Tyre and Sidon, then they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.”

 

[ARBITER01]

If you repent, God will forgive you.

Matthew 11:21
"Woe to you Chorazin! Woe to you Bethsaida! For if the miracles having taken place in you had taken place in Tyre and Sidon, then they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.”

Was that in the text?

It seems you are changing the subject.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I remember one morning meeting with a brother to pray as we did regularly.

As we sat down and settled ourselves there was a sudden noise of bones cracking together and his back was healed.

Neither of us had any idea God wanted to move in that way.

 

[ARBITER01]

I remember one morning meeting with a brother to pray as we did regularly.

As we sat down and settled ourselves there was a sudden noise of bones cracking together and his back was healed.

Neither of us had any idea God wanted to move in that way.

Where two or more are gathered,..... there am I.

A corporate type of healing, I suspect GOD used the gifts of healings in one of you to accomplish it.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Sometime in the early 70s I became aware that Jesus in the atonement has not only provided healing for us, but also health. By that I mean just not getting sick in the first place. For many years I was simply carried up upon that belief and all the scriptures that teach health. From the 70s through Aug 2016, about 40 years I never spent a night in the hospital. For years I would have perfect attendance at work and did not even go to a doctor. I am not saying I never got colds or strained muscles, but never anything serious enough to disable me. I just did not believe or see myself ever getting sick. I taught it in the pulpit and wrote books on the subject.
In 2016 at the age of 62 I was hospitalized with a bout of acute pancreatitis. I came close to death. Several days in ICU, 8 days barely awake due mainly to the pain killer Dilaudid, a drug approximately eight times stronger than morphine. My wife and adult kids took turns sitting with me for 8 days. My wife said every time I woke from the stupor I was quoting scripture and praising God. I do not remember this, but I do not remember much about those days. Years of teaching and studying these scriptures built them into me and they just came out. People ask me what happened, why after 40 years suddenly bang! I have asked the Lord about this and when other such things happen. He always says the same thing. "That is my business. It is your business to believe and stand on My word. You do your business and I will do mine." He does not say it in a harsh way, but stern. Of course He is correct (always). Our job is to stand on His Word no matter what happens, no matter what we see or what we think. We have no choice but to believe He is and He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. Period.
I am just sharing this to say in a discussion about healing, we can stand on the promises and walk in health.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Where two or more are gathered,..... there am I.

A corporate type of healing, I suspect GOD used the gifts of healings in one of you to accomplish it.

Then maybe we need to ask the more fundamental question, can/does God act sovereignly in healing without using the body of Christ as an intermediary?

A couple of years back I was woken at about 2am with a surge of His presence as I was wonderfully healed of rejection. within weeks I was back in church after being away for about 7 years after a difficult experience.

 

[ARBITER01]

Then maybe we need to ask the more fundamental question, can/does God act sovereignly in healing without using the body of Christ as an intermediary?

A couple of years back I was woken at about 2am with a surge of His presence as I was wonderfully healed of rejection. within weeks I was back in church after being away for about 7 years after a difficult experience.

Of course He does.

But,..... I think we would see more healing through a person with a ministry in it, as well as multiple individuals at once from that ministry. Historically, when we had quite a few people operating in the gifts of healings back in the day, folks would go to one of those people, in fact, GOD would direct them to one of them.

That was their job that GOD gave them, to provide maintenance for the body.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Yes no issue with that.

Of course He does.

But,..... I think we would see more healing through a person with a ministry in it, as well as multiple individuals at once from that ministry. Historically, when we had quite a few people operating in the gifts of healings back in the day, folks would go to one of those people, in fact, GOD would direct them to one of them.

That was their job that GOD gave them, to provide maintenance for the body.

Yes - no issue with that.

However, even in that case, we can expect to see such healings without personal contact.

One of our members with cancer contacted me for prayer and over time His PSA dropped dramatically from 70 to close to zero.

So distance is not an issue for God and Jesus Himself proclaimed healing from a distance.

 

[Lost Witness]

can/does God act sovereignly in healing without using the body of Christ as an intermediary?

I view it this way, say the LORD stirs up a Big Ol storm, nobody will think anything about it,
now say he sends a Prophet to do it for him,
Now everyone knows who's hand brought the storm forth,
I feel it's the same when he works healing through members of the body of Christ,
Not likely someone would believe someone who claims they experienced 'such and such" without a witness?
this is all peerly speculation though so PLEASE correct me

 

[Lost Witness]

this is what came to mind when i saw that question

 

[ARBITER01]

Yes no issue with that.


Yes - no issue with that.

However, even in that case, we can expect to see such healings without personal contact.

One of our members with cancer contacted me for prayer and over time His PSA dropped dramatically from 70 to close to zero.

So distance is not an issue for God and Jesus Himself proclaimed healing from a distance.

As I pointed out, GOD does do healing individually through prayer and such, He has for me quite a few times, but He is also able to do much more through a person with a particular ministry in this.

All anyone has to do is read the accounts of people healed in great ministries like Maria Woodworth Etter. Her material has the testimonials in it from people who she laid hands upon and GOD healed them. A lot of testimonies.

Same way with others back around the turn of the century.

We should have this happening in our churches, it should be a common everyday occurrence.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I view it this way, say the LORD stirs up a Big Ol storm, nobody will think anything about it,
now say he sends a Prophet to do it for him,
Now everyone knows who's hand brought the storm forth,
I feel it's the same when he works healing through members of the body of Christ,
Not likely someone would believe someone who claims they experienced 'such and such" without a witness?
this is all peerly speculation though so PLEASE correct me

Interesting angle...

 

[Carl Emerson]

As I pointed out, GOD does do healing individually through prayer and such, He has for me quite a few times, but He is also able to do much more through a person with a particular ministry in this.

All anyone has to do is read the accounts of people healed in great ministries like Maria Woodworth Etter. Her material has the testimonials in it from people who she laid hands upon and GOD healed them. A lot of testimonies.

Same way with others back around the turn of the century.

We should have this happening in our churches, it should be a common everyday occurrence.

It wasn't with Paul - the idea we should be seeing folks healed every day is questionable.

 

[ARBITER01]

It wasn't with Paul - the idea we should be seeing folks healed every day is questionable.

Oh ye of little faith.

Jesus healed all the time. Peter only walked by big groups of people and they were healed.

Obviously you don't read much on revivals and evangelists in the past, do you? Maria Woodworth Etter had lines of people she laid hands upon and they received healing, so did Smith Wigglesworth, and this would go on everyday for weeks on end. The testimonials that this gal had are off the charts.

It seems your experience with GOD's power is quite limited. You might know a thing or two about prayer, but you don't know His power and capability, oh ye of little faith.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Oh ye of little faith.

Jesus healed all the time. Peter only walked by big groups of people and they were healed.

Obviously you don't read much on revivals and evangelists in the past, do you? Maria Woodworth Etter had lines of people she laid hands upon and they received healing, so did Smith Wigglesworth, and this would go on everyday for weeks on end. The testimonials that this gal had are off the charts.

It seems your experience with GOD's power is quite limited. You might know a thing or two about prayer, but you don't know His power and capability, oh ye of little faith.

Can you show from Scripture that Paul the Apostle was healing folks everyday please...

And yes I have studied the revivals...

Oh, and by the way -Jesus didn't heal all the time. His Father had Him do other things as well.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Can you show from Scripture that Paul the Apostle was healing folks everyday please...

And yes I have studied the revivals...

Oh, and by the way -Jesus didn't heal all the time. His Father had Him do other things as well.

1. There is no place in scripture saying the Paul nor Jesus healed every single day. Only that God is willing...
2. Revivals are wonderful times. But even John G. Lake shared the times healing did not happen.
3. There are a number of places in the Gospels where healing did not happen. Not that God wasn't willing

1. Luke 5:17 - The power of the Lord was present to heal them - yet none of them were healed, just the man lowered through the ceiling.
2. John 5 - The lame man at the Pool of Bethsaida was the only many in approximately 2,000 people there that got healed.
3. Mark 6 - Jesus could not do no mighty work - not would not - could not.

There are others you can find them.