Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

[RDKirk]

Not being equally administered IS the Eurocentric system.

Depends on what you mean by "equal." The only system in its day that even had a theoretical basis for the concept of equality is the one brought over by the English.

 

[RDKirk]

And that is systemic racism yes?

I said: Justice Taney's Supreme Court ruling trailed on for a hundred years after he stated, "The black man has no rights that a white man is obliged to observe."

That hundred years ended in the mid-60s. I don't think any significant changes need to be made now in the American system of laws and regulations. Certain affirmative action programs probably should continue until Boomers are dead...and that would be their deadline. When we Boomers are safely out of the picture, our descendants ought to think about removing those programs.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yes.
Western European white men and landed American white men....not immigrants through the late 19th and 20th century though.

Give him a 0 on the history test folks....

Let's see Roman Empire, the Moorish (Islamic) invaders, Huns, Mongols, Turks, Vikings, Barbary pirates, and basically you get a group of people who were conquered subjugated, persecuted and enslaved by various invading empires for about 2500 years before they set foot outside western Europe to spread their own empires.

Never read any history huh? Crack open a nonfiction novel sometime.

 

[RDKirk]

No, I get what you are saying. I guess what I mean is being black alone is surely not a privilege in this country. My dad told me about not being allowed to look a white man in the eye. I definitely never had it that bad though when I was young, I was called the n-word but I didn't experience the violence my dad's generation did. I remember being afraid to go in the woods at night because I thought the Klan was on patrol out there. The new generation seems to look at the Klan like a joke these days but back in the day, the Klan had judges, senators, governors, etc. that were involved.

I was a boy under the shadow of Emmett Till, and he wasn't the only one. My parents knew that any white man could kill me at any time for any reason and walk away clean. White people were considered deadly. I was taught to treat white people the way you'd treat a strange dog or a bear that walked into your camp ground.

 

[RDKirk]

I'm not American so I can understand that my opinion may not be welcome but I think an important thing to note is that, while the majority of Americans aren't racists, there are large geographical pockets where racism is a problem. America is a BIG place, and I may be talking out of my tukkus, but I still would guess that the black experience is NOT the same all over America.

Could anyone with experience speak to that?

When I walk into a gun store in Illinois, I am met by white people with hard stares, distrust, and unfriendliness.

When I walk into a gun store in Texas, the white people say, "You like guns? We like guns too! Howdy!"

 

[Ana the Ist]

Native American values and systems

So dynastic familial patriarchies that hold one family above all others in all matters.

Like what Europeans were fleeing.

 

[Ana the Ist]

This is what I was talking about in another post. Now I’m not saying that racism isn’t high in Romania but was the mother actually being discriminated against or did the next patient actually have a more serious health issue because hospitals don’t operate on a first come first serve basis?

How would I know? How would she know? You missed the point...

I asked for an example of the worst persecution she could think of.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Proportional outcomes can be expressed in different ways, depending on the agenda. If 13.6% of doctors in the US are black, that would be proportional to population. If 0.29% of blacks are doctors, that would be proportional as well.

Ok...I always assumed this is what people meant by equal outcomes.

(Interestingly, the proportion of blacks who are doctors as well as the proportion of doctors who are black is less now that it was 100 years ago.)

To be fair, it was not the same profession 100 years ago.

Equal outcomes would be that the number of black doctors in the US would be equal to the number of white doctors in the US (and to the number Indian doctors, Latino doctors, et cetera).

Never thought anyone meant this...because it's pretty crazy.

 

[rturner76]

So dynastic familial patriarchies that hold one family above all others in all matters.

Like what Europeans were fleeing.

Pretty much yeah, Old money was in control and still is in most industries.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That doesn't mean everyone's struggles are the same.
You've had a decent paying job your entire life and you had a job with INCREDIBLE job protection even though your job was very stressful, that certainty of employment (and the pay itself) allowed you luxuries MANY other people don't have and took away struggles others have. Though it gave you other additional stressors too. Do you believe a black and a white cop partner team in, say Los Angeles have the EXACT same list of stressors?

I’ve done concrete demolition my whole life. I started out at $5 per hour in 1993 and made my way up to $21 per hour having 30 years of experience and knowing how to operate every single piece of equipment used in the field. I wouldn’t exactly call that decent pay especially since my income tax money has been used to keep my family from being evicted the last 2 years

 

[rambot]

I’ve done concrete demolition my whole life. I started out at $5 per hour in 1993 and made my way up to $21 per hour having 30 years of experience and knowing how to operate every single piece of equipment used in the field. I wouldn’t exactly call that decent pay especially since my income tax money has been used to keep my family from being evicted the last 2 years

Oh shoot! I'm sorry! I mixed you up with another poster whose a police officer! Apologies!

 

[rambot]

Give him a 0 on the history test folks....

Let's see Roman Empire, the Moorish (Islamic) invaders, Huns, Mongols, Turks, Vikings, Barbary pirates, and basically you get a group of people who were conquered subjugated, persecuted and enslaved by various invading empires for about 2500 years before they set foot outside western Europe to spread their own empires.

Never read any history huh? Crack open a nonfiction novel sometime.

RIDICULOUS comparison. Just desperate.

 

[rambot]

So dynastic familial patriarchies that hold one family above all others in all matters.

Were American Indians THAT different from Canadian ones? BEcause wow, that is the small exception to the rule across Canada.

 

[Ana the Ist]

They kept slaves.

Yeah, there's an idealism there that just never existed in reality.

 

[rambot]

They kept slaves.

You could call them prisoners of war....

 

[Ana the Ist]

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RIDICULOUS comparison. Just desperate.

I'm not the one posting memes @rambot....you don't have anything to say because you're wrong.

 

[Ana the Ist]

You could call them prisoners of war....

Not talking about prisoners of war....first colonists traded slaves with native tribes, until they saw what those tribes did to them.

Torture, worked to death, ritualistic sacrifice....etc. Later tribes straight up kept slaves for work. The "trail of tears" is a sad story....sadder for the black slaves who had to carry all their stuff.

They don't teach history in Canada?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Pretty much yeah, Old money was in control and still is in most industries.

"Old money"?

You have no idea who controls "most industries".

 

[RDKirk]

Ok...I always assumed this is what people meant by equal outcomes.




To be fair, it was not the same profession 100 years ago.



Never thought anyone meant this...because it's pretty crazy.

"Equal outcome" and "equity" mean the same thing to many people. "Equal outcome" is the current popular meaning of "equity."

This is "equal outcome," aka "equity."

 

[RDKirk]

Were American Indians THAT different from Canadian ones? BEcause wow, that is the small exception to the rule across Canada.

Well, heck, go further south to the Aztecs and such, and it gets much, much worse.