Is YEC science? Is is even really a theory?

[Frank Robert]

Denying something a person knows nothing
about is as about as insensible as believing
what one knows nothing about.

Denial serves a positive intention for some people by buttressing otherwise insupportable beliefs.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Science is amazing when it comes to creating and discovering things - it terrible when trying to tell us about the past (because of the unknowns and assumptions it has to make).

Science is one of the best tools for understanding the past, especially in places and times where no one was recording things.

 

[Astrid]

Science is one of the best tools for understanding the past, especially in places and times where no one was recording things.

It more accurate than a book that
denies virtually all of life history and
says there was a flood. Or, two by some
reckoning.

 

[AV1611VET]

Science is one of the best tools for understanding the past, especially in places and times where no one was recording things.

Just add characters as needed.

Comet hits earth and gives us our oceans.

Asteroid hits earth and takes away our dinosaurs.

Planet hits earth and gives us our moon.

A moon attempts to pass the earth and earth captures it in its gravitational field.

The earth's centrifugal force throws ejecta out and gives us our moon.

The moon forms alongside the earth from its own stardust.

And on and on it goes.

 

[AV1611VET]

It more accurate than a book that denies virtually all of life history and says there was a flood.

My belief in that Book made you put me on IGNORE.

So don't tell me how fictitious It is and expect me to believe you.

In fact, belief in that Book stirs up more atheists than a bee farm has bees, and causes them to hate, ridicule, and defame the character of MANY of earth's martyrs and apologists.

Not to mention how that Book causes others to spend a LOT of their time, talents, and resources trying to discredit It.

Believe me -- that Book is a mover!

 

[Astrophile]

Just add characters as needed.

Comet hits earth and gives us our oceans.

Asteroid hits earth and takes away our dinosaurs.

Planet hits earth and gives us our moon.

A moon attempts to pass the earth and earth captures it in its gravitational field.

The earth's centrifugal force throws ejecta out and gives us our moon.

The moon forms alongside the earth from its own stardust.

And on and on it goes.

(1) This should be in the plural - 'comets hit earth, etc.' Also, the D/H ratios of the oceans and of small solar system bodies imply that it was water-rich asteroids rather than comets that hit the earth and gave us our oceans.
(2) Yes, but not all of them. Some of them, which we call birds, survived the impact.
(3) Probably, although many of the details are still uncertain.
(4), (5), (6). No. These hypotheses were abandoned during the 1980s.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Science is one of the best tools for understanding the past, especially in places and times where no one was recording things.

Yes, but "best" needs a lot of interpretive qualification. Like, a lot.

Otherwise, some folks start getting the idea that "best" means "complete" and "irrefutable" when it really doesn't.

I call this problem "Finkelstein's Monster." (I'm sure @AV1611VET will appreciate that epithet...)

 

[AV1611VET]

(1) This should be in the plural - 'comets hit earth, etc.' Also, the D/H ratios of the oceans and of small solar system bodies imply that it was water-rich asteroids rather than comets that hit the earth and gave us our oceans.

QV please:

Where did Earth's oceans come from? Astronomers have long contended that icy comets and asteroids delivered the water for them during an epoch of heavy bombardment that ended about 3.9 billion years ago. But a new study suggests that Earth supplied its own water, leaching it from the rocks that formed the planet. The finding may help explain why life on Earth appeared so early, and it may indicate that other rocky worlds are also awash in vast seas.

SOURCE

So much for D/H ratios.

 

[Homeowner]

Science is amazing when it comes to creating and discovering things - it terrible when trying to tell us about the past (because of the unknowns and assumptions it has to make).

But creation myths are the best to tell us about the past because there are no unknowns nor assumptions ?

A creation myth (or creation story) is a cultural, religious or traditional myth which describes the earliest beginnings of the present world. Creation myths are the most common form of myth, usually developing first in oral traditions, and are found throughout human culture. A creation myth is usually regarded by those who subscribe to it as conveying profound truths, though not necessarily in a historical or literal sense. They are commonly, though not always, considered cosmogonical myths, that is, they describe the ordering of the cosmos from a state of chaos or amorphousness.

List of creation myths - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And there are dozens so people can pick whichever conforms best to their worldview. Take that science.

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[AV1611VET]

And there are dozens so people can pick whichever conforms best to their worldview.

I would say the most popular one in the academic world today is the Big Bang model.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I would say the most popular one in the academic world today is the Big Bang model.

In physics/cosmology/astronomy, yes, for practitioners inside and outside of academia. I have no idea (nor do I care) what the comparative literature or folklore departments think about creation stories.

 

[AV1611VET]

In physics/cosmology/astronomy, yes, for practitioners inside and outside of academia.

Um ... maybe you should read what I was responding to a little closer.

 

[Homeowner]

I would say the most popular one in the academic world today is the Big Bang model.

Probably. They are willing to change their minds though if a better evidence based model is introduced.

Unlike some who think they have it all figured out because how could they be wrong after all ?

Hopi mythology spells it all out for everyone after all.

According to Hopi legend, when time and space began, the sun spirit (Tawa) created the First World, in which insectlike creatures lived unhappily in caves. With the goal of improvement, Tawa sent a spirit called Spider Grandmother to the world below. Spider Grandmother led the first creatures on a long trip to the Second World, in which they took on the appearance of wolves and bears. As these animals were no happier than the previous ones, however, Tawa created a new, Third World, and again sent Spider Grandmother to convey the wolves and bears there. By the time they arrived. they had become people." Spider Grandmother taught them weaving and pottery, and a hummingbird brought them a fire drill.[13]: 16 

The evidence for Spider grandmother is equal to every other creation myth we have.

 

[AV1611VET]

Probably. They are willing to change their minds though if a better evidence based model is introduced.

So I take it both you and Hans agree with me that the Big Bang model is the most popular myth in the academic world?

If not, maybe you should read what I was responding to a little more closely.

 

[sjastro]

Ready it yourself and find out.

What a cop out.
While you praise posters such as @Hans Blaster for being "very honest and straightforward; and not shy about answering tough questions put to him", the very opposite applies to you.

 

[AV1611VET]

What a cop out.
While you praise posters such as @Hans Blaster for being "very honest and straightforward; and not shy about answering tough questions put to him", the very opposite applies to you.

You can tell time using the pharaohs, but yet the Bible has to come time-stamped?

 

[Homeowner]

So I take it both you and Hans agree with me that the Big Bang model is the most popular myth in the academic world?

If not, maybe you should read what I was responding to a little more closely.

Why bother. If you have to go to semantics and exact grammar to score imaginary points you have already lost the game.

 

[Hans Blaster]

So I take it both you and Hans agree with me that the Big Bang model is the most popular myth in the academic world?

If not, maybe you should read what I was responding to a little more closely.

It is (if you like) and "origin story" and you were also busy talking about "worldview" which is a notion I bristle at as I have been insistently told many times that I only accept certain things because of my "worldview" which doesn't include gods or the supernatural anymore. Accepting the consequences of the available evidence doesn't really feel like it should have to rise to a personal "worldview" as it should just be normal.

 

[sjastro]

Interesting how academia can concatenate the pharaohs, but go 404 with the Bible.

Still upset about the pharaohs.
How dare they continue to build pyramids when they should have been wiped out by the flood or by your own admission Thutmose I reigning from 1493 - 1482 BC, when according to Ussher he should have died in 1491 BC a victim in Exodus.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why bother. If you have to go to semantics and exact grammar to score imaginary points you have already lost the game.

Losing never felt so good then.