Why are school shootings a sole unique American problem?

[FenderTL5]

The OP and myself both pointed out that guns are available in other countries as well.

 

[Brihaha]

In my view, Americans seem to prioritize a right to own assault weapons over the lives of our children. This has become obvious. When folks won't even consider gun regulations to minimize gun violence killing our neighbors, the priority is glaringly apparent to me. Political gaslighting for votes doesn't help this tragic problem either.

 

[Torah Keeper]

This does not match the school shooting rate. According to your graph, the US should have about 6 school shootings. Instead USA has 288+.

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Also, please notice Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Switzerland. Do these 4 countries have the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest rates of school shootings?

Please be logical here. What other factors may be contributing to the enormous amount of school shootings in USA besides guns?

 

[FenderTL5]

This does not match the school shooting rate. According to your graph, the US should have about 6 school shootings. Instead USA has 288+.

Also, please notice Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Switzerland. Do these 4 countries have the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest rates of school shootings?

Please be logical here. What other factors may be contributing to the enormous amount of school shootings in USA besides guns?

Please elaborate on the part of my post that was illogical.

 

[Torah Keeper]

According to your graph, Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Switzerland should have the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest rates of school shootings. They don't. Mexico comes in 2nd behind USA. It is obvious that there must be other factors in the school shooting rate besides "GUNS!!!

Please elaborate on the part of my post that was illogical.

 

[FenderTL5]

According to your graph, Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Switzerland should have the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest rates of school shootings. They don't. Mexico comes in 2nd behind USA. It is obvious that there must be other factors in the school shooting rate besides "GUNS!!

Where did I say that number of guns would equal the number of school shootings?
The number of guns in a particular society is a factor, but the regulation of the guns (or lack thereof) in that society would also be a factor.
The US is proliferated with guns and there's very little accountability in regards to them.
That exacerbates every other factor.

For example, one could say, "it's a mental health issue." Perhaps it is, but it would be a mental health issue with guns and little accountability.

To borrow a conservative trope; "It's hearts without God with guns, homes without discipline with guns, schools without prayer with guns , and courtrooms without justice in a nation with an unfettered access to guns."

 

[jacks]

In other words, your chart is highly selective propaganda and not worth the pixels its printed on.
OB

Yes of course, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime is just one big propaganda machine...

 

[Torah Keeper]

To borrow a conservative trope; "It's hearts without God with guns, homes without discipline with guns, schools without prayer with guns , and courtrooms without justice in nation proliferated with guns and little accountability."

I agree with that. I know plenty of people with guns and they do not go shooting up schools. Here are a few of my suggestions:

1. Gun safety taught in schools. This should be a requirement for all students. Guns are not toys. They are dangerous weapons.
2. More secure schools. Double doors that require being "buzzed in" to enter. Nobody can just walk into a school.
3. Metal detectors at the entrance. No coins, scissors, or belt buckles without staff approval. Other businesses have metal detectors, why not schools?
4. Allow, not force, staff to conceal carry. For every mass shooting, there are many more instances of criminals being neutralized by good samaritans.
5. Have an armored security guard on duty in larger or high risk schools. Terrorists may use bulletproof armor, so security needs to be properly equipped.
6. Proper investigation of potential threats. Shooters post threats on social media. These threats are often ignored. Don't ignore them. If a mentally unstable person tweets that they will kill someone, that is probable cause.
7. Most important, teach students Godly behaviour. Instead, they are being taught atheism, hedonism, fornication, sodomy, racism, and hatred of Christianity.

 

[FenderTL5]

I agree with that. I know plenty of people with guns and they do not go shooting up schools. Here are a few of my suggestions:

1. Gun safety taught in schools. This should be a requirement for all students. Guns are not toys. They are dangerous weapons.
2. More secure schools. Double doors that require being "buzzed in" to enter. Nobody can just walk into a school.
3. Metal detectors at the entrance. No coins, scissors, or belt buckles without staff approval. Other businesses have metal detectors, why not schools?
4. Allow, not force, staff to conceal carry. For every mass shooting, there are many more instances of criminals being neutralized by good samaritans.
5. Have an armored security guard on duty in larger or high risk schools. Terrorists may use bulletproof armor, so security needs to be properly equipped.
6. Proper investigation of potential threats. Shooters post threats on social media. These threats are often ignored. Don't ignore them. If a mentally unstable person tweets that they will kill someone, that is probable cause.
7. Most important, teach students Godly behaviour. Instead, they are being taught atheism, hedonism, fornication, sodomy, racism, and hatred of Christianity.

Do you think turning schools into maximum security prisons is how all the other nations in the world are able to avoid school shootings like we have here in the USA?

 

[Bradskii]

Do you think turning schools into maximum security prisons is how all the other nations in the world are able to avoid school shootings like we have here in the USA?

Exactly right. We've seen the restrictions that Canada puts on guns. Quite reasonable I would have thought. But some here wouldn't want to even listen to suggestions along those lines. Heck no. Just more armed guards. More guns. Teachers who should carry arms (in a primary school?). Double locked doors. Metal detectors. Good grief, your kid's school is going to turn into a maximum security jail.

 

[FenderTL5]

Exactly right. We've seen the restrictions that Canada puts on guns. Quite reasonable I would have thought. But some here wouldn't want to even listen to suggestions along those lines. Heck no. Just more armed guards. More guns. Teachers who should carry arms (in a primary school?). Double locked doors. Metal detectors. Good grief, your kid's school is going to turn into a maximum security jail.

When addressing the issue or even acknowledging the problem is off the table, I guess that's what you get.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

[*]US schools are gun-free zones. Teachers are unarmed. Thus, it is an easy kill zone for mass murder. They target schools because they know no one will fight back.

Do other countries with lots of guns allow teachers to carry on campus?

A few, some, most, or all school shootings may in fact be hoaxes. I have a hard time believing they could ALL be hoaxes, but some of these school shootings are suspicious.

Conspiracy theory.

Other countries lie and sweep these incidents under the rug. This is probably one of the most likely reasons. "Everything ok in North Korea! It is utopia! No crime here!"

Underreporting is definitely going to be an issue in third-world countries, deliberate or not. However, this doesn't account for the discrepancies in developed nations.

Shooting up schools is part of the deep state, evil cult, etc. agenda. These are not random emo kids. They are pawns. These attacks are planned well in advance. This is a secret war.

Also a conspiracy theory.

 

[Torah Keeper]

Do you think turning schools into maximum security prisons is how all the other nations in the world are able to avoid school shootings like we have here in the USA?

Don't exaggerate. And please explain how other nations are avoiding school shootings.

 

[Torah Keeper]

Exactly right. We've seen the restrictions that Canada puts on guns. Quite reasonable I would have thought. But some here wouldn't want to even listen to suggestions along those lines. Heck no. Just more armed guards. More guns. Teachers who should carry arms (in a primary school?). Double locked doors. Metal detectors. Good grief, your kid's school is going to turn into a maximum security jail.

By your logic, we should just remove all the fences, locks, armed guards, and security from everywhere in the country, as long as there are no guns, right?

Why do you not understand that schools are already gun-free zones? Fully automatic weapons are already illegal for civilians. Yet, somehow people are able to get these illegal weapons and use them to mass murder.

Let's put this in perspective. What is the UK doing to stop all the stabbings? Are knives the problem? Should the UK ban all knives? Good grief.

 

[Torah Keeper]

Forget about school, there are churches in America where church elder stand outside the church during Sunday service to protect the congregation while pastor is preaching inside “ Trust God with all your heart”. ( I have visited church like that and they don’t see the irony )

The Israelites still used weapons when they fought the Philistines. How is that irony? Christians are well aware that bad things can happen to good people. "Trusting in God" doesn't mean expecting that nothing bad will ever happen.

 

[FenderTL5]

Don't exaggerate. And please explain how other nations are avoiding school shootings.

Exaggeration? You said,
"..secure schools. Double doors that require being "buzzed in" to enter..
Metal detectors at the entrance. No coins, scissors, or belt buckles without staff approval..
..Have an armored security guard on duty.."
I suppose you only failed to mention iron bars on the windows.

the blatantly in your face obvious: they have fewer guns in circulation and greater regulation on those that are.

beyond that almost every developed nation in the world does a better job at addressing health issues, particularly mental health.
however, don't kid yourself into thinking the u.s. is alone in the sidebar concerns. All of the sidebar issues are present in other countries, they're just not augmented with the presence of high powered weaponry.

 

[Torah Keeper]

I suppose you only failed to mention iron bars on the windows.

That may not be a good idea in case of fire.

The blatantly in your face obvious truth is that Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Switzerland have the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest rate of gun ownership among civilians. So, according to your logic, they should have the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest rates of school shootings. They don't. Mexico comes in 2nd behind USA. It is obvious that there must be other factors in the school shooting rate besides "GUNS!!!

Yes I am aware USA has the highest rate of school shootings. The point of this thread is, what other factors may be involved in this disproportionate rate of school shootings?

Let's compare Israel to get a better understanding. Everyone in Israel, male or female, must serve at least 2 years in the IDF. That is ~100% of the population, except for certain exemptions. If you ever visit Israel, you may see soldiers carrying guns as they walk down the street, women with a rifle slung over their shoulder at the grocery store, and it's totally normal there. Even USA does not have this rate of gun use. The numbers are skewed because these graphs only look at civilian gun use, not military. So when ~100% of the population is military, that leaves very few civilians with guns, because there are very few civilians at all. Yet, despite that fact that Israelis are far more likely to be carrying a gun at any given time than Americans, Israel has a much lower school shooting rate.

 

[FenderTL5]

That may not be a good idea in case of fire.

The blatantly in your face obvious truth is that Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Switzerland have the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest rate of gun ownership among civilians. So, according to your logic, they should have the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest rates of school shootings. They don't. Mexico comes in 2nd behind USA. It is obvious that there must be other factors in the school shooting rate besides "GUNS!!!

Yes I am aware USA has the highest rate of school shootings. The point of this thread is, what other factors may be involved in this disproportionate rate of school shootings?

Let's compare Israel to get a better understanding. Everyone in Israel, male or female, must serve at least 2 years in the IDF. That is ~100% of the population, except for certain exemptions. If you ever visit Israel, you may see soldiers carrying guns as they walk down the street, women with a rifle slung over their shoulder at the grocery store, and it's totally normal there. Even USA does not have this rate of gun use. The numbers are skewed because these graphs only look at civilian gun use, not military. So when ~100% of the population is military, that leaves very few civilians with guns, because there are very few civilians at all. Yet, despite that fact that Israelis are far more likely to be carrying a gun at any given time than Americans, Israel has a much lower school shooting rate.

Israeli style gun laws would be a good idea.

 

[Torah Keeper]

Israeli style gun laws would be a good idea.

Uh-oh. Please tell me you don't believe Washington Post. Right in the first paragraph they lied:

"The United States stands truly alone in the developed world for its lax gun laws, which have contributed to Americans owning guns at a far higher rate than anyone else."

False. I just pointed out that gun ownership is higher among Israelis than Americans.

Please do not quote lies.

 

[comana]

Uh-oh. Please tell me you don't believe Washington Post. Right in the first paragraph they lied:

"The United States stands truly alone in the developed world for its lax gun laws, which have contributed to Americans owning guns at a far higher rate than anyone else."

False. I just pointed out that gun ownership is higher among Israelis than Americans.

Please do not quote lies.

From that article Israeli gun ownership is far less than in the U.S.

“Israeli guns laws, it turns out, are much stricter than America's gun laws. This may help explain why Israeli gun ownership is just one thirteenth of what it is in the U.S. To bring that number into focus, it would likely be even lower if not for mandatory military service, which means Israelis are more likely to be familiar with guns. Israel's unique security challenges and its periodic bouts with terrorism would also seem to bolster an NRA-style case for allowing more privately owned guns so that more citizens can defend themselves. And yet, there are far fewer guns in private citizens' hands, and far less gun crime.”