My Sandwich Challenge

[HARK!]

Is your instinct 'nothing'?

No.

 

[AV1611VET]

Depends on my condition/state when I make the sandwich. Eg: if I'm on the edge of death, then 'universe', and every other word you're using there, has no meaning.

I have the feeling that, if you're on the edge of death, voting would not be high on your to-do list anyway.

In a near-death situation, I'm sure you'd be excused from such an activity.

Insufficient information. Still can't vote due to shortfall in constraint specifications pertaining to a context.

I'd say if you're going to invoke death to render this challenge "insufficient information," then you're being too desperate to find a legitimate flaw in it.

 

[dlamberth]

I created a apple butter sandwich. My sandwich is part of the Universe.


Question: In this act, did I create the Universe?

No!
You made an apple butter sandwich. That's all.
I bet it tasted pretty good too.

 

[SelfSim]

I have the feeling that, if you're on the edge of death, voting would not be high on your to-do list anyway.

In a near-death situation, I'm sure you'd be excused from such an activity.I'd say if you're going to invoke death to render this challenge "insufficient information," then you're being too desperate to find a legitimate flaw in it.

There are distinct contexts constraining the question posed in the OP of this thread .. They have not been revealed in the OP and thus extreme responses are possible and plausible.
Eg: Your 'being excused' exception, (of which you're somehow 'sure'), also assumes an unstated context.

The broader contexts underpinning the OP, are inconsistent and thus the question posed, is justifiably answerable with unconstrained incoherency.

I now, unfortunately, have more insight into explaining some of your posts over the years.

 

[eleos1954]

I created a apple butter sandwich. My sandwich is part of the Universe.


Question: In this act, did I create the Universe?

define universe

 

[HARK!]

There are distinct contexts constraining the question posed in the OP of this thread .. They have not been revealed in the OP and thus extreme responses are possible and plausible.

I appreciate you zeal to read the OP and context, and to answer the question without making certain biased assumptions.

The underlying reason that I created this thread was as a result of some who do just that.

However, there is no need to overthink this. You can take the question, as it is asked, on its' face. There is no deep philosophical twist, lurking to ensnare conjecture in its' tentacles.

 

[HARK!]

define universe

That which is greater than, and includes, a apple butter sandwich.

 

[HARK!]

You made an apple butter sandwich.

I did.

I bet it tasted pretty good too.

I'm not a betting man; but it was heavenly.

 

[Hans Blaster]

That which is greater than, and includes, a apple butter sandwich.

Then the answer to the title question requires more information. Did you also make the plate the sandwich is on and thus the whole sandwich-plate universe. [Set theory is fun!]

 

[AV1611VET]

However, there is no need to overthink this. You can take the question, as it is asked, on its' face. There is no deep philosophical twist, lurking to ensnare conjecture in its' tentacles.

See why I call them "challenge threads" now?

 

[HARK!]

See why I call them "challenge threads" now?

Interesting.

 

[HARK!]

Then the answer to the title question requires more information. Did you also make the plate the sandwich is on and thus the whole sandwich-plate universe. [Set theory is fun!]

I didn't. Would your recommend earthenware?

 

[sjastro]

Yummy can we include bagels particularly the Mobius bagel into the discussion?

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The deep philosophical question is was the Mobius bagel created ex-nihilo or by pure mathematicians?

 

[SelfSim]

I appreciate you zeal to read the OP and context, and to answer the question without making certain biased assumptions.

The underlying reason that I created this thread was as a result of some who do just that.

However, there is no need to overthink this. You can take the question, as it is asked, on its' face. There is no deep philosophical twist, lurking to ensnare conjecture in its' tentacles.

With respect, I'm sorry, @HARK! ..
The other thread's context was revealed within a question or so by the OP .. and following that, I saw no deceptions, found I had a clear understanding of that context, so I voted.

With respect, 'overthinking' is an opinion implying limitations (or some kind of ceiling to thought).
I find I think freely however, .. therefore I think that I am free to think as much as I like.

 

[SelfSim]

See why I call them "challenge threads" now?

So 'thinking limits' is the criteria for participation, eh?
Whose thinking limitations would that be, then?

 

[public hermit]

What about ex materia -- such as creating Adam from the dust of the ground?

Sure, okay. Then he created a sandwhich from existing material, but did he create a universe? Would you say God created the universe ex materia?

I guess if we follow along the lines of Augustine (Confessions), we could say that prime matter (matter without form, which is inconceivable) was created before entities (a logical prior, not necessarily a temporal prior), then prime matter was created ex nihilo, and actual entities were created ex materia.

 

[HARK!]

With respect, 'overthinking' is an opinion implying limitations (or some kind of ceiling to thought).
I find I think freely however, .. therefore I think that I am free to think as much as I like.

You are free to think as much as you like. All that I'm saying is that the question can be correctly answered prima fascie.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure, okay. Then he created a sandwhich from existing material, but did he create a universe? Would you say God created the universe ex materia?

In my "creationism test" that I made up some time ago, that's my first question:

1. Explain the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia; and give two examples of each.

God created the universe using both methods: ex nihilo and ex materia.

The earth was the first physical object He created; then He created the rest of the universe up around it.

 

[eleos1954]

In my "creationism test" that I made up some time ago, that's my first question:

1. Explain the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia; and give two examples of each.

God created the universe using both methods: ex nihilo and ex materia.

The earth was the first physical object He created; then He created the rest of the universe up around it.

He created the cosmos including the earth .... and then He created the additional means that earth could be inhabitable for everything else He created.

 

[SelfSim]

In my "creationism test" that I made up some time ago, that's my first question:

1. Explain the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia; and give two examples of each.

God created the universe using both methods: ex nihilo and ex materia.

The earth was the first physical object He created; then He created the rest of the universe up around it.

That's not what the PhD guy in @HARK!'s YouTube is translating from the Hebrew text(?)