Ten Reasons I'm a Sabbatarian [moved thread]

[Leaf473]

You may have to think about it for a few more minutes in that case... start by reading Acts 13, 17 and 18.

Nothing in those chapters about God's house being called a house of prayer because the sacrifices and offerings of the gentiles are accepted.
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"Their burnt offerings and sacrifices
will be accepted on my altar;
for my house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations."
Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 56 - New International Version

 

[Leaf473]

You may have to think about it for a few more minutes in that case... start by reading Acts 13, 17 and 18.

Also, it's happening on God's holy mountain.
...these I will bring to my holy mountain
and give them joy in my house of prayer.
Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 56 - New International Version

 

[JulieB67]

At first you said the Sabbath was "today"

I never said it that way at all. I said today our rest is called Sabbatimos, which according the actual James Exhaustive Strong's in front of me, (book) not online dictionary - is the "repose of Christianity", as a type of Heaven, rest. There's no "keeping of the Sabbath in the definition" it's derived from Sabbaton which is the weekly Sabbath. Sabbaton would be the word used if this was about keeping the weekly Sabbath. Sabbatimos is rest period. It's not the day like Sabbaton.

"A keeping of the Sabbath" is a usage, not defintion. Sabbatimos is the rest we have in Christ. This is the only time it's used in this fashion and the word you would want is 4521 Sabbaton. That's the weekly Sabbath.

Check out James Strong Exhaustive Condordance

Back to Hebrews 4.

The subject is the gospel preached and why some could not enter in. We are not talking about Ezek.

What does this verse say to you and why did the gospel not profit some of those that first heard it?

Hebrews 4:2 "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."

We are told just a few verses later again about the gospel being preached not the OT

Hebrews 4:6 "Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:"

You can't make this about keeping the weekly Sabbath. It's about the gospel and the lack of faith that some had when it was first preached to them. Hebrews 4:2 gives us that.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I never said it that way at all. I said today our rest is called Sabbatimos, which according the actual James Exhaustive Strong's in front of me, (book) not online dictionary - is the "repose of Christianity", as a type of Heaven, rest. There's no "keeping of the Sabbath in the definition" it's derived from Sabbaton which is the weekly Sabbath. Sabbaton would be the word used if this was about keeping the weekly Sabbath. Sabbatimos is rest period. It's not the day like Sabbaton.

"A keeping of the Sabbath" is a usage, not defintion. Sabbatimos is the rest we have in Christ. This is the only time it's used in this fashion and the word you would want is 4521 Sabbaton. That's the weekly Sabbath.

Check out James Strong Exhaustive Condordance

Back to Hebrews 4.

The subjec is the gospel preached and why some could not enter in. We are not talking about Ezek.

What does this verse say to you and why did the gospel not profit some of those that first heard it?

Hebrews 4:2 "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."

We are told just a few verses later again about the gospel being preached not the OT

Hebrews 4:6 "Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:"

You can't make this about keeping the weekly Sabbath. It's about the gospel. Hebrews 4:2 gives us that.

Your narrative does not seem to match the scriptures. The passage does not say Sabbatimos is the rest we have in Christ.

Here is the text without any edits...

Hebrews 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; NIV

The scripture clearly says there is a Sabbath-rest for the people of God. Not Christ is our Sabbath rest. It's best to let the scriptures speak for themselves without our input.

When we look at Hebrews 4:10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from His

It clearly says those who enter into God's rest also rests from their works just as God did from His.

When does God rest from His works? Lets let scripture answer.

This very passage tells us

Hebrews 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

The "He" in this passage is God and this is how He spoke of the seventh day in this way:

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

We are to rest from our works to enter into His rest the same way God rested.

Genesis 2:2 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

I don't think your disagreement is with me, but with the text.

"Today" if we hear His voice, we should not harden our hearts and

Hebrews 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

We should always be obedient to what God asks of us and there is no such scripture in the entire bible that says we can break one of His commandments and the Sabbath is a commandment of God, just like thou shalt not worship other gods or thou shalt not murder. His commandments came in a unit of Ten Exodus 34:28 personally written by God Exodus 31:18 and we cannot improve on the Word of God.

 

[Icyspark]

Today we as Christians, we have the comforter, the Holy Spirit dwelling inside of us. That's our comforter which brings us Sabbatimos, the repose of Christianity. That's not taking away from the holiness of the Sabbath. That's fulfilling it. And that's what Hebrews 4 is about. Entering into that rest. In the beginning of the chapter and even in chapter 3 -some could not enter in after they heard the gospel because it was not mixed with faith- unbelief. God's creating the earth in 6 days and resting after that is the example. When we enter into his rest, we cease from our own works. This isn't talking about physical labour. We are talking about "his" rest.

Peter states,

I Peter 1:16 "Because it is written, "Be ye holy; for I am holy." "

We can't take away from Christ. He is the Holy one that we put our rest in.

Speaking of work, I'm off to it...

Hi JulieB67,

If the Holy Spirit is dwelling inside us then we will have no trouble remembering what God has called us to remember.

If the Holy Spirit is dwelling inside us then we will have no trouble keeping holy that which the Lord has commanded should be kept holy. After all, according to 1 Peter 1:16, we are to be holy because He is holy and if we are holy, then why wouldn't we be able to keep a day holy?

The rest mentioned in Hebrews 4 is explicitly tied to "the seventh day" and the creation account. We are explicitly told to rest from our works as God did from His. I really don't see how that is too difficult to understand.

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[Icyspark]

Hebrews 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; NIV

The scripture clearly says there is a Sabbath-rest for the people of God. Not Christ is our Sabbath rest. It's best to let the scriptures speak for themselves without our input.

Hi SabbathBlessings,

Exactly right. People frequently read into the text (eisegesis) in order to make it say what they've already predetermined to believe. In this case people have accepted that

Sunday is now
somehow
a sacred cow.
​

That cow is rigorously defended even though there is nothing in the Bible indicating that Christ or any of His disciples ever hinted at any such change. In fact after the death of Christ His disciples "rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment." This gives profound indication that they had ZERO knowledge that Jesus ever intended to end His holy day. Only about six texts in the entire NT even refer to Sunday and over half of those are historical references to the resurrection with zero commentary on any relevance to Sunday replacing the Sabbath. Sunday is still referred to as "the first day of the week," while the seventh day is still referred using its venerated title--"the Sabbath." No matter how hard critics try to marginalize the Sabbath by tying it to the Jews, there is no text that ever calls it that (i.e. Sabbath of the Jews). Critics must go absolutely crazy with the fact that Jesus clearly indicates that the Sabbath was made for "human beings."

God bless!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[JulieB67]

Your narrative does not seem to match the scriptures. The passage does not say Sabbatimos is the rest we have in Christ.

You once again skipped the entire subject which is the context of the verses. When you do this anything can be taken out of context.

This verse is the subject.

Hebrews 4:2 "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."



And yes, the very meaning of the word Sabbatimos is the respose of Christianity. It does not state it's the keeping of the "weekly" Sabbath. You have added that to the meaning. It's not my input it's the very definion of the Greek word.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hi SabbathBlessings,

Exactly right. People frequently read into the text (eisegesis) in order to make it say what they've already predetermined to believe. In this case people have accepted that

Sunday is now
somehow
a sacred cow.
​

That cow is rigorously defended even though there is nothing in the Bible indicating that Christ or any of His disciples ever hinted at any such change. In fact after the death of Christ His disciples "rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment." This gives profound indication that they had ZERO knowledge that Jesus ever intended to end His holy day. Only about six texts in the entire NT even refer to Sunday and over half of those are historical references to the resurrection with zero commentary on any relevance to Sunday replacing the Sabbath. Sunday is still referred to as "the first day of the week," while the seventh day is still referred using its venerated title--"the Sabbath." No matter how hard critics try to marginalize the Sabbath by tying it to the Jews, there is no text that ever calls it that (i.e. Sabbath of the Jews). Critics must go absolutely crazy with the fact that Jesus clearly indicates that the Sabbath was made for "human beings."

God bless!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

What I find particularly sad is people spend their time trying to discredit something God personally wrote and personally spoke than they do trying to prove from scripture why they keep Sunday holy.

 

[JulieB67]

The rest mentioned in Hebrews 4 is explicitly tied to "the seventh day" and the creation account. We are explicitly told to rest from our works as God did from His. I really don't see how that is too difficult to understand.

As I told SB, this verse is our subject and context,

Hebrews 4:2 "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."

If we deviate from that we lose the context of the next verses and it all boils down to when people heard the gospel it didn't profit them because they had no faith. Which boils down to unbelief. Not having faith has nothing to do with keeping the Sabbath. These people were already keeping the Sabbath. These are Hebrews. Hebrews that keep the Sabbath but don't enter into Sabbatimos are not in "his rest"

Hi SabbathBlessings,

Exactly right. People frequently read into the text (eisegesis) in order to make it say what they've already predetermined to believe. In this case people have accepted that

Sunday is now
somehow
a sacred cow.​

I hope you're not generalizing. I and many others have never claimed Sunday was the new Sabbath. Sabbatimos is not the weekly Sabbath regardless. Sabbaton is. Easily checked out. That's the rest that remained no Sabbaton.

 

[JulieB67]

After all, according to 1 Peter 1:16, we are to be holy because He is holy and if we are holy, then why wouldn't we be able to keep a day holy?

Also, with the Holy Spirit we are supposed to try (no one's perfect but we are trying to sanctify ourselves) Holy in all that we do, say and how we approach life. That's what Peter is teaching. That's 24/7, not just on one day of the week.

As I said as well in my first post, this has become a debate on Sat vs Sun with alot of people and that's not what the Sabbath was intended for, it was a day of rest from labours not to pick a day to worship. Anyone can worship at any time.

Off to work...

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You once again skipped the entire subject which is the context of the verses. When you do this anything can be taken out of context.

This verse is the subject.

Hebrews 4:2 "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."



And yes, the very meaning of the word Sabbatimos is the respose of Christianity. It does not state it's the keeping of the "weekly" Sabbath. You have added that to the meaning.

The subject is the entire passage and it's all related, but its mainly about how we should not come short of entering His rest which the passage explains how those who did not enter His rest due to not having faith but instead having unbelief and being disobeident.

Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.

Unbelief/disobedience do not enter His rest Hebrews 4:6, This is a call to obedience "today" if you hear His voice do not harden your heart Hebrews 4:7 the way those who it was first preached who profaned God's Sabbath Ezekiel 20:13 To enter His rest, one ceases from their works on the seventh day, the day God cease from His works Hebrews 4:4, Hebrews 4:10, which is why the Sabbath rest remains for the people of God. Hebrews 4:9

The Sabbath is the seventh day and I think we should place our trust in God on what He asks of His children.

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Acts 13:44
And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.

Scripture clearly shows the Sabbath commandment was not abstracted away to look nothing like how God gave His commandment.

The Sabbath is a day and God said the seventh day is the Sabbath Exodus 20:10. The only way we truly know we are following God, is not to insert our ideas, thoughts and feelings into the scriptures.

 

[JulieB67]

Repeating something you cannot prove from scripture is not going to make it true

I could state the same for you. You clearly continue to overlook what Sabbatimos really means. Sabbath keeping is usage, not definiton.

If you scroll down you'll see the actual definition,

Strong's Greek: 4520. σαββατισμός (sabbatismos) -- a sabbath rest

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
rest.
From a derivative of sabbaton; a "sabbatism", i.e. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) -- rest.

You can't turn that into the keeping of the "weekly' Sabbath no matter how hard you try. It won't fit.

That is as I've always said Sabbaton. Sabbaton is not the rest that remains.

I'm just inserting the real definiton. Not my words. Not trying to offend but going with the original Greek the scriptures is not me putting my own feelings or ideas. I had to drop a lot of doctrines in the past from a church that I went to that I found out were not biblical. So I'm only seeking truth at this point. No matter what that might be.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I could state the same for you. You clearly continue to overlook what Sabbatimos really means. Sabbath rest, Sabbath keeping is usage, not definiton.

If you scroll down you'll see the actual definition,

Strong's Greek: 4520. σαββατισμός (sabbatismos) -- a sabbath rest

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
rest.
From a derivative of sabbaton; a "sabbatism", i.e. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) -- rest.

You can't turn that into the keeping of the "weekly' Sabbath no matter how hard you try. It won't fit.

That is as I've always said Sabbaton. Sabbaton is not the rest that remains.

I'm just inserting the real definiton. Not my words. Not trying to offend but going with the original Greek the scriptures is not me putting my own feelings or ideas. I had to drop a lot of doctrines in the past from a church that I went to that I found out were not biblical. So I'm only seeking truth at this point. No matter what that might be.

From your link....

STRONGS NT 4520: σαββατισμός

σαββατισμός, σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);

1. a keeping sabbath.
2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians (R. V. sabbath rest): Hebrews 4:9. (Plutarch, de superstit. c. 3; ecclesiastical writings.)

sabbatismos literally translate to keep the sabbath.

The Sabbath is the seventh day. Exodus 20:10. Its a day to put aside all secular work and honor Christ on His holy day Isaiah 58:13 and in returns He blesses us Isaiah 58:14

The response to Christianity is to be a follower of Christ- who is a commandment/ Sabbath keeper. John 15:10 Luke 4:16

How we will be rewarded in heaven, does not take away our obligation to obey God and His commandments. There is no scripture that says we can break any of God's commandments.

The saints keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus. Revelation 14:12

 

[JulieB67]

The response to Christianity is follow Christ- who is a commandment-keeper. John 15:10

It's not response, it's repose to Christianity. Repose is rest. It's the "rest" concerning Christianity. That's why Christ states come unto me that labour and are heavy laden and I will give you rest.

Sabbatimos is not this-

4521 Sabbaton- The Sabbath (i.e Shabbath) or the day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself)

Sabbatimos is the repose of Christianity. Sabbaton is the day of weekly repose. There's a huge difference between those two.

The Sabbath is the seventh day according to God

Yes, and the word for The Sabbath is Sabbaton as I showed above and it's not found once in Hebrews 4.

Again I mean no offense but you and some others seem so fixated on Sat vs Sun because of your church teachings that you're not seeing the actual meanings and differences between Sabbatimos and Sabbaton. Sabbatimos is not about Saturday or Sunday it's the rest/repose of Christianity. That's the actual definition.

But as I said, we are not going to change each other's minds. But there's always the chance someone is lurking and will decide for themselves. As I said years ago I dropped many doctrines I was "indoctrinated" with when I found out they could not be backed up with scripture and I will continue to seek the truth for myself in that same manner.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It's not response, it's repose to Christianity. Repose is rest. It's the "rest" concerning Christianity. That's why Christ states come unto me that labour and are heavy laden and I will give you rest.

Sabbatimos is not this-

4521 Sabbaton- The Sabbath (i.e Shabbath) or the day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself)

Sabbatimos is the repose of Christianity. Sabbaton is the day of weekly repose. There's a huge difference between those two.



Yes, and the word for The Sabbath is Sabbaton as I showed above and it's not found once in Hebrews 4.

Again I mean no offense but you and some others seem so fixated on Sat vs Sun because of your church teachings that you're not seeing the actual meanings and differences between Sabbatimos and Sabbaton. Sabbatimos is not about Saturday or Sunday it's the rest/repose of Christianity. That's the actual definition.

But as I said, we are not going to change each other's minds. But there's always the chance someone is lurking and will decide for themselves. As I said years ago I dropped many doctrines I was "indoctrinated" with when I found out they could not be backed up with scripture and I will continue to seek the truth for myself in that same manner.

The thing is the Seventh-day Adventist Church did not write the Sabbath commandment, God did, but thankfully there are some churches still teaching from the Bible that we should keep God’s commandments.

This is from your own link…. Three times it confirm sabbatismos means keeping the Sabbath- it is what it literally translate into. I do hope you keep seeking His Truth, but if one is wanting to follow the scriptures, I think you’re on the wrong side of this. God said the Sabbath is a delight and we should honor Him on His holy day Isaiah 58:13-14 so there is no harm in obeying His commandment, but I think disobeying comes with some warnings in scripture. I do wish you well in seeking His Word and we will probably have to agree to disagree and this gets sorted out soon enough. I appreciate the conversation and God bless.

◄ 4520. sabbatismos ►
Strong's Concordance
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: a sabbath rest
Usage: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from a derivation of sabbaton
Definition
a sabbath rest
NASB Translation
Sabbath rest (1).



Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4520: σαββατισμός

σαββατισμός, σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);
1. a keeping sabbath.

2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians (R. V. sabbath rest): Hebrews 4:9. (Plutarch, de superstit. c. 3; ecclesiastical writings.)

see GREEK sabbaton

Forms and Transliterations
σαββατισμος σαββατισμός σαββατισμὸς sabbatismos sabbatismòs
Links
Interlinear Greek • Interlinear Hebrew • Strong's Numbers • Englishman's Greek Concordance • Englishman's Hebrew Concordance • Parallel Texts
Englishman's Concordance
Hebrews 4:9 N-NMS
GRK: ἄρα ἀπολείπεται σαββατισμὸς τῷ λαῷ
NAS: there remains a Sabbath rest for the people
KJV: therefore a rest to the people
INT: Then remains a sabbath rest to the people
Strong's Greek 4520
1 Oc

 

[Icyspark]

As I told SB, this verse is our subject and context,

Hebrews 4:2 "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."

If we deviate from that we lose the context of the next verses and it all boils down to when people heard the gospel it didn't profit them because they had no faith. Which boils down to unbelief. Not having faith has nothing to do with keeping the Sabbath. These people were already keeping the Sabbath. These are Hebrews. Hebrews that keep the Sabbath but don't enter into Sabbatimos are not in "his rest"

Hi JulieB67,

You can't just say, "Look at Hebrews 4:2" to the exclusion of those verses in the direct context of this discussion which refute your conclusion. It seems to me that you are the one who is ignoring the context. How would you like to suggest that verse 4 is integrated into your apparently myopic consideration of context?

For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.”​

I hope you're not generalizing. I and many others have never claimed Sunday was the new Sabbath. Sabbatimos is not the weekly Sabbath regardless. Sabbaton is. Easily checked out. That's the rest that remained no Sabbaton.

I'm speaking to the fact that most critics of sabbatarianism embrace tradition over a clear reading of the Word of God. Many elevate Sunday to an unbiblical status (i.e. "the Lord's day" or it's special because the Lord resurrected on that day). They have no more biblical authorization for doing this than for observing Easter or Christmas. Jesus never indicated that we should observe the day He resurrected, just like He never said we should honor His birthday. These are all merely human traditions. And we know what Jesus says about tradition when it comes in conflict with the command of God.

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[Icyspark]

This is from your own link…. Three times it confirm sabbatismos means keeping the Sabbath- it is what it literally translate into. I do hope you keep seeking His Truth, but if one is wanting to follow the scriptures, I think you’re on the wrong side of this. God said the Sabbath is a delight and we should honor Him on His holy day Isaiah 58:13-14 I do wish you well in seeking His Word and we will probably have to agree to disagree and this gets sorted out soon enough. I appreciate the conversation and God bless.

◄ 4520. sabbatismos ►
Strong's Concordance
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: a sabbath rest
Usage: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from a derivation of sabbaton
Definition
a sabbath rest
NASB Translation
Sabbath rest (1).



Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4520: σαββατισμός

σαββατισμός, σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);
1. a keeping sabbath.

2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians (R. V. sabbath rest): Hebrews 4:9. (Plutarch, de superstit. c. 3; ecclesiastical writings.)

see GREEK sabbaton

Forms and Transliterations
σαββατισμος σαββατισμός σαββατισμὸς sabbatismos sabbatismòs
Links
Interlinear Greek • Interlinear Hebrew • Strong's Numbers • Englishman's Greek Concordance • Englishman's Hebrew Concordance • Parallel Texts
Englishman's Concordance
Hebrews 4:9 N-NMS
GRK: ἄρα ἀπολείπεται σαββατισμὸς τῷ λαῷ
NAS: there remains a Sabbath rest for the people
KJV: therefore a rest to the people
INT: Then remains a sabbath rest to the people
Strong's Greek 4520
1 Oc

This is great. I look forward to reading JulieB67's response.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This is great. I look forward to reading JulieB67's response.

We can pray!

God bless!

 

[JulieB67]

I'm speaking to the fact that most critics of sabbatarianism embrace tradition over a clear reading of the Word of God. Many elevate Sunday to an unbiblical status (i.e. "the Lord's day" or it's special because the Lord resurrected on that day)

I don't celebrate Easter. Easter is a mistranlation of the word Pascha which is Passover. I observe the true Passover and take communion in Christ's name. as he said to do in rememberance of him. As for Christmas, Christ was likely born in September if we go by the course of Abia and that fact that Elizabeth was 6 months pregnant with John. But that's another topic...

And the Lord's Day is not Saturday or Sunday it's another way of stating Day of the Lord which is when Christ returns. The disciples never called the 7th or 1st day of the week the Lord's Day. The church has changed that to mean a day of the week.
But John was in the spirit on the Lord's Day and told to write about the past, present and future of that time period -the Lord's Day.That's the key to understanding Revelation but that's not for this thread as well...

When I stated I dropped many doctrines I was speaking the truth. As I always state one could spend a lifetime sitting on a pew listening to 5 minutes of the Word of God and 30 minutes of a personal sermon that will leave you only being fed milk for the most part. And fed false doctrines in the process.

I will agree that traditions make void the true word of God.

For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.”

Yes, that's the example but it doesn't change the fact that the rest that remains is Sabbatimos not Sabbaton which is the day you are talking about. When we enter that rest (Sabbatimos, the repose of Christianity)we cease from our own works. When we enter that rest we are fufilling the commandant which Paul states was a shadow of the things to come and these verses in Hebrews proves it. Our rest today is Sabbatimos that's what remains and some did not enter into that rest when the gospel was first preached because of lack of faith.

We can go on and on but as I said we are going to change either one's mind.

 

[JulieB67]

his is great. I look forward to reading JulieB67's response.

This was naturally not included,


Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
rest.
From a derivative of sabbaton; a "sabbatism", i.e. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) -- rest.

This is the actual definiton from the actual book sitting right in front of me from the exhaustive Strong's Concordance. It is not Sabbaton which is the word for the actual weekly Sabbath which never seems to interest you guys when that's what you observe.