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Trump says he can declassify documents just "by thinking about it".

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In fact, Biden did that exact thing when he announced on television that we would defend Taiwan from a Chinese invasion.
Biden confirmed what has been US policy since 1949. This is the same as what?
 
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"The letter, available on the Obama Foundation website and dated Sept. 11, 2018, reveals that the Obama Foundation not only acknowledged possessing classified documents but also admitted that they kept them in a facility that did not meet NARA standards for the storage of those documents."
Letter Reveals Obama Foundation Is Keeping Classified Docs in Abandoned Furniture Warehouse
What utter baloney!
From Barack Obama Presidential Library

Barack Obama Presidential Library
Presidential Libraries, like their holdings, belong to the American people without regard for political considerations or affiliations. Currently the Obama presidential materials are housed in a temporary facility in Hoffman Estates, IL, which is not open to the public.

Obama presidential records are administered in accordance with the requirements of the Presidential Records Act (PRA) and will not be subject to public Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests until January 20, 2022.
The National Archives controls the Hoffman Estates facility. The Obama Foundation is working with NARA to digitalize the records and to make unclassified records available online to the public.

Trump, on the other hand, has worked to withhold documents from NARA and has lied about it.
 
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"The letter, available on the Obama Foundation website and dated Sept. 11, 2018, reveals that the Obama Foundation not only acknowledged possessing classified documents but also admitted that they kept them in a facility that did not meet NARA standards for the storage of those documents."
Letter Reveals Obama Foundation Is Keeping Classified Docs in Abandoned Furniture Warehouse
Follow the links in this post, then you'll see that what you posted is misleading.
 
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What utter baloney!
From Barack Obama Presidential Library

Barack Obama Presidential Library
Presidential Libraries, like their holdings, belong to the American people without regard for political considerations or affiliations. Currently the Obama presidential materials are housed in a temporary facility in Hoffman Estates, IL, which is not open to the public.

Obama presidential records are administered in accordance with the requirements of the Presidential Records Act (PRA) and will not be subject to public Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests until January 20, 2022.
The National Archives controls the Hoffman Estates facility. The Obama Foundation is working with NARA to digitalize the records and to make unclassified records available online to the public.
The letter is from 2018, not from 2022.

"The letter, available on the Obama Foundation website and dated Sept. 11, 2018, reveals that the Obama Foundation not only acknowledged possessing classified documents but also admitted that they kept them in a facility that did not meet NARA standards for the storage of those documents."
Letter Reveals Obama Foundation Is Keeping Classified Docs in Abandoned Furniture Warehouse

The claim Trump lied about it is false. Trump hires plenty of attorneys, and one of the attorneys got it wrong in a letter. There is no evidence that letter was anything more than a mistake. The Justice Department hold Trump's attorney client privileged communications, you can bet that if Trump instructed an attorney to lie that it would have been leaked by now.
 
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I'm trying to find it, but so often with google it's a pain to find everything as everyones talking about the parts your not looking for, I believe I posted it in the other topic before, but did find this one.

Declassification Frequently Asked Questions

DOES AUTOMATIC DECLASSIFICATION EQUATE AUTOMATIC DISCLOSURE?

No. Classification is but one basis for an agency to withhold the disclosure of records or information. A declassified record may still contain information covered by additional restrictions that would require continued withholding of information from disclosure.

And again, these are goverment documents not trumps, he doesn't get to walk off with stuff not his. It's rediculous anyone thinks otherwise.
So nothing about the president not being able to declassify anything he wants? What does the law say about spreading classified information on the floor and posting a picture of it on social media?
 
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What does the law say about spreading classified information on the floor and posting a picture of it on social media?
I saw the picture: The documents were partially covered, so you could see it were classified documents, but could read no relevant content of them.
 
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The letter is from 2018, not from 2022.

"The letter, available on the Obama Foundation website and dated Sept. 11, 2018, reveals
… that the Obama foundation agreed to use the facility, obviously the proposal it agreed to came from NARA.

I saw no sentence that named the facility (used to digitalize documents) unsafe. I only saw an agreement about the transport from this facility to the final destination, paid by the Obama foundation.

Did I overlook anything?
 
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I saw the picture: The documents were partially covered, so you could see it were classified documents, but could read no relevant content of them.
And it wouldn't matter if they were uncovered because Trump declassified them .
 
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So nothing about the president not being able to declassify anything he wants? What does the law say about spreading classified information on the floor and posting a picture of it on social media?

You mean the docs the FBI planted that Donald complained about being strewn about the floor when he didn't leave them like that because kept them in drawers? The police always take pics of drugs/evidence collected for their official records, and normally they condense them into one pile/room.
 
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And it wouldn't matter if they were uncovered because Trump declassified them .
One thing I learned reading the posts here: It is not enough that a president unclassifies.

There is a procedure which safeguard the state against errors made by the president.

The president can start a declassification process, but it is not complete when he say a document is declassified.

While this will help against negligence, it does not help against a deliberately careless president, as Trump has outed himself.

But what can one expect from a guy who tries to steal an election, by telling lies, inciting his followers to an attempt of a coup d'etat?
 
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And it wouldn't matter if they were uncovered because Trump declassified them .

If they were actually declassified, Trump’s lawyers would have been able to show evidence they were in court. Well….we’re waiting.
 
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If they were actually declassified, Trump’s lawyers would have been able to show evidence they were in court. Well….we’re waiting.
TheSpin®:
Of course the documents at Mar-a-Lago were declassified, that’s why they were there. President Trump wouldn’t have ‘broken the law’ by taking classified documents to his residence in Florida, that’d’ve been silly!”

The “evidence” that the documents were declassified was their location.
 
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The letter is from 2018, not from 2022.
Yes, I know. So what.
"The letter, available on the Obama Foundation website and dated Sept. 11, 2018, reveals that the Obama Foundation not only acknowledged possessing classified documents but also admitted that they kept them in a facility that did not meet NARA standards for the storage of those documents."
Letter Reveals Obama Foundation Is Keeping Classified Docs in Abandoned Furniture Warehouse
Nevertheless, NARA has controlled the documents. The Obama Foundation is digitalizing the unclassified records and making them available to the public. This is what item #7 says. The 'abandoned furniture warehouse' is the Hoffman Estates that NARA controls. You have continuously made this false claim even after it has been debunked each time.

The claim Trump lied about it is false.
His paid representatives lied in a written letter to NARA
that all documents requested were returned - which is also an admission that he had them. This is patently false as attested by the boxes and boxes of documents removed, some hundred of which were marked classified.

Trump hires plenty of attorneys, and one of the attorneys got it wrong in a letter. There is no evidence that letter was anything more than a mistake.
How is it a "mistake" to state that you know a thorough search was performed and all documents had been returned? How was it a "mistake" to miss eleven thousand documents? Not eleven but eleven thousand?

The Justice Department hold Trump's attorney client privileged communications, you can bet that if Trump instructed an attorney to lie that it would have been leaked by now.
Maybe the DOJ holds such documents but they would not jeopardize their case by leaking it.
 
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You mean the docs the FBI planted that Donald complained about being strewn about the floor when he didn't leave them like that because kept them in drawers? The police always take pics of drugs/evidence collected for their official records, and normally they condense them into one pile/room.
How often do they post them on social media?
 
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One thing I learned reading the posts here: It is not enough that a president unclassifies.

There is a procedure which safeguard the state against errors made by the president.

The president can start a declassification process, but it is not complete when he say a document is declassified.

While this will help against negligence, it does not help against a deliberately careless president, as Trump has outed himself.

But what can one expect from a guy who tries to steal an election, by telling lies, inciting his followers to an attempt of a coup d'etat?
Source?
 
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If they were actually declassified, Trump’s lawyers would have been able to show evidence they were in court. Well….we’re waiting.
The only evidence they need is Trump's statement. Period.
 
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Maybe the DOJ holds such documents but they would not jeopardize their case by leaking it.
Like the "clissified" documents they posted on social media? Or the Supreme Court Justice statements on the repeal or Roe? Or the Steele dossiare? Or Trump's tax records? Shall I continue?
 
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“The president does have ultimate declassification authority. He can literally declassify—and President Trump had that authority, and could declassify anything you want while he was president,”

Heres something else I found.. I would post the lol "facts" from like WP or NYT but with them its hands down he can't hes guilty . One said "we have nothing (neither statute law nor a court ruling about executive orders or executive power) clearly stopping a president from declassifying documents without actually having at least one copy re-marked as unclassified."

I did just see a video of someone saying something today.. won't be posted from the left. Pray I didn't offend anyone.
 
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"The letter, available on the Obama Foundation website and dated Sept. 11, 2018, reveals that the Obama Foundation not only acknowledged possessing classified documents but also admitted that they kept them in a facility that did not meet NARA standards for the storage of those documents."
Letter Reveals Obama Foundation Is Keeping Classified Docs in Abandoned Furniture Warehouse

As has been pointed out, the Hoffman Estates property (the "defunct furniture store") is under the control of NARA, as are the records. As the links I provided stated, the records are under the control of NARA. NARA moves the records to Chicago, making them available to the Obama Foundation to digitize, so that the digitized records can be used at the Obama Presidential Library.

All this is talking about is that the Obama Foundation, not NARA, is paying for transporting the records from permanent NARA facilities to the NARA controlled Hoffman Estates location so that the records can be digitized. And note that the facilities they will be transported to aren't to be moved because the other facilities are "secure" but rather the facilities meet NARA's "archival storage standards."

If you look at those archival storage standards, you'll find, rather than security, the standards deal with things like: temperature and humidity standards, limits for air pollutants (particulate and gases), air handling and filtration systems, etc. -- you know, the kind of standards archivists use to ensure that paper records don't fade or deteriorate over time. The issue with the Hoffman Estates property (again, the "defunct furniture store") is not security but that the security does not have the environmental controls that are ideal for long time storage -- since the records are not there to be stored, only scanned (digitally copied).

You should really read links provided and investigate the story, rather than parrot sources that cherry pick and then draw conclusions ignoring parts that interfere with their narrative.
 
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You mean the docs the FBI planted that Donald complained about being strewn about the floor when he didn't leave them like that because kept them in drawers? The police always take pics of drugs/evidence collected for their official records, and normally they condense them into one pile/room.

Yes, it is funny how Trump tends to contradict himself like that -- they planted the documents since I didn't leave them on the floor, the were in drawers! Not sure how former Pres. Trump could have put the records in desk drawers if they were planted by the FBI. ;)
 
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