Scientists announce a breakthrough in determining life's origin on Earth—and maybe Mars

[AV1611VET]

I have said before that a deity could have done that, yet the problem arises that there is no evidence of it in the natural world we live.

What about the supernatural world we live in too? any evidence there?

Perhaps God purposely want to confuse us.

Or perhaps He performed miracles; as opposed to evidence-leaving methods, such as evolution?

 

[AV1611VET]

Just because there are nefarious people pushing the idea that a cat from a fish is evolution theory does not make it so.

You've never heard the phrase: "molecules to man evolution"?

Is that phrase nefarious as well?

I have nothing against religious beliefs, only the people who take advantage of the beliefs to promote an agenda of bovine droppings.

This attitude, and the attitude that we "regurgitate nonsense apologetics," are excellent examples of what I mean when I say that evolution breeds hostility.

 

[Frank Robert]

What about the supernatural world we live in too? any evidence there?

There is no way to examine the supernatural.

Or perhaps He performed miracles; as opposed to evidence-leaving methods, such as evolution?

If there were evidence of the supernatural what would be the value of faith?

From: Joseph Campbell and the Power of Myth — ‘Masks of Eternity’

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: I had a very amusing experience, which might be well worth telling. I was in the New York Athletic Club swimming pool, and you know, you don’t wear your collar this way or that way when you’re in a swimming pool. And I was introduced to a priest, “This is Father So-and-so, this is Joseph Campbell.” I’m a professor, he’s a professor at one of our Catholic universities. So after I’d had my swim, I came and sat down beside, in what we call, you know, the horizontal athlete situation, and the priest is beside me. And he said, “Mr. Campbell, are you a priest?” I said, “No, Father.” He said, “Are you a Catholic?” I said, “I was, Father.” He said, and now he had the sense to ask it this way, “Do you believe in a personal God?” I said, “No, Father.” And he said, “Well, I suppose there is no way to prove by logic the existence of a personal God.” And I said, “If there were, Father, what would be the value of faith?” “Well, Mr. Campbell, it’s nice to have met you.” And he was off. I really felt I had done a jujitsu trick there.

But that was a very illuminating conversation to me. The fact that he asked, “Do you believe in a personal God?” that meant that he also recognized the possibility of the Brahman, of the transcendent energy.​

 

[AV1611VET]

There is no way to examine the supernatural.

And so that gives academia the right to say we "regurgitate apologetic nonsense"?

If there were evidence of the supernatural what would be the value of faith?

Ask Thomas.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Why didn't Jesus hide His scars from Thomas?

 

[AV1611VET]

And he said, “Well, I suppose there is no way to prove by logic the existence of a personal God.”

What's this stuff then?

1. Time divided into BC and AD.
2. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.
3. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.
4. Beautiful Christian artwork, edifices, statuary and literature.
5. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.
6. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.
7. Christmas & Easter
8. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.
9. Public debates in the name of Christianity.
10. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.
11. Two major nations founded on His existence.

 

[Frank Robert]

You've never heard the phrase: "molecules to man evolution"?

There is evidence that evolution began with the LUCA which all life can be traced back to.

Molecules to man is an origin of life theory which is separate from the theory of evolution. Whether life stated from a supernatural or from natural events does not negate the evidence for evolution from the LUCA.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is evidence that evolution began with the LUCA which all life can be traced back to.

Molecules to man is an origin of life theory which is separate from the theory of evolution. Whether life stated from a supernatural or from natural events does not negate the evidence for evolution from the LUCA.

So the phrase "molecules to man" is okay, but the phrase "fish to cats" isn't?

That's like saying "A to Z is fine with me" but "G to U is taboo".

 

[Frank Robert]

And so that gives academia the right to say we "regurgitate apologetic nonsense"?

The apologetics I am referring to are not nonsense about religious faith they are misleading nonsense about evolution. Neither am I rallying against valid scientific criticism. I think intelligent design can be a valid hypothesis but no one, including Behe, are putting it to the scientific method.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

What's this stuff then?

1. Time divided into BC and AD.
2. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.
3. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.
4. Beautiful Christian artwork, edifices, statuary and literature.
5. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.
6. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.
7. Christmas & Easter
8. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.
9. Public debates in the name of Christianity.
10. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.
11. Two major nations founded on His existence.

I love this list. It displays a wonderfully arrogant view of the USA as being the whole world while ignoring so many obvious parallels as well as history.

Let me guess - you think USA is one of "Two major nations founded on His existence".

 

[Frank Robert]

So the phrase "molecules to man" is okay, but the phrase "fish to cats" isn't?

That's like saying "A to Z is fine with me" but "G to U is taboo".

Molecules to man is a valid origin's hypothesis that is being scientifically investigated. Fish to man is ludicrous and the orgs that are pushing it are well aware that they are promoting nonsense.

 

[AV1611VET]

Let me guess - you think USA is one of "Two major nations founded on His existence".

You guessed correctly.

The other being Israel.

 

[AV1611VET]

So the phrase "molecules to man" is okay, but the phrase "fish to cats" isn't?

That's like saying "A to Z is fine with me" but "G to U is taboo".

Molecules to man is a valid origin's hypothesis that is being scientifically investigated. Fish to man is ludicrous and the orgs that are pushing it are well aware that they are promoting nonsense.

Thanks for the QED.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think intelligent design can be a valid hypothesis ...

Intelligent design is a joke.

Just like a lot of other "valid hypotheses".

... but no one, including Behe, are putting it to the scientific method.

I wouldn't either.

Scientists would eat him for dessert.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

You guessed correctly.

The other being Israel.

USA wasn't founded on any religious grounds.

It amazes me how ignorant of your own constitution so many Americans are.

 

[Frank Robert]

Intelligent design is a joke.

Just like a lot of other "valid hypotheses".I wouldn't either.

Scientists would eat him for dessert.

Your mind is made up and locked shut making discussion impossible.


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[AV1611VET]

USA wasn't founded on any religious grounds.

Was Israel?

It amazes me how ignorant of your own constitution so many Americans are.

What does our constitution have to do with it?

Show me Israel's constitution.

Do you think God waited for a constitution to be written, before He founded a nation?

 

[Shemjaza]

That's right.

It gets foistered on us all the time.I'll address science:

Science can take a hike.Then lay it out side-by-side.

Show every father and son and son and son and son from one genus to another.

Any genus -- take your pick.

I'll wait.So there are no missing links?

Everything has missing links.

There are missing links in my own family tree.Patterns aren't links.Usually.Number One: the ID movement doesn't have a monopoly on my jokes.

Number Two: I'm not a cdesign proponentist.

Intelligent Design is Satan's cheap imitation for Creationism.

I never claimed complete knowledge of any genus, I claimed that there was evidence linking them.

It's the pattern relatedness that represents the real evidence much more so than approximation we can work out from fossils.

Using implied flaws in science instead of faith in the Bible as a trump card is exactly the ID playbook.

 

[AV1611VET]

Using implied flaws in science instead of faith in the Bible as a trump card is exactly the ID playbook.

I use expressed flaws.

 

[SelfSim]

Was Israel?What does our constitution have to do with it?

Show me Israel's constitution.

Do you think God waited for a constitution to be written, before He founded a nation?

No one would even know a nation existed in the absence of an article declaring what constitutes it.

 

[AV1611VET]

No one would even know a nation existed in the absence of an article declaring what constitutes it.

That's what Yasser Arafat thought.