Will you let the bible ...

[fhansen]

Will you let the bible ...

Lots of verses without context.

See, that wasn't so hard after all, even if the effort was pretty well meaningless. So should I assume that you would provide the entire letters, then the theological and historical and literary contexts? Or should I just assume that you have no context for those verses that should alter my position? Maybe just a somewhat erroneous theology that conflicts with the historical view of the gospel?

 

[Hammster]

See, that wasn't so hard after all, even if the effort was pretty well meaningless. So should I assume that you would provide the entire letters, then the theological and historical and literary contexts? Or should I just assume that you have no context for those verses that should alter my position? Maybe just a somewhat erroneous theology that conflicts with the historical view of the gospel?

It’s obvious at this point that you just want to buy your way out of a bluff. Otherwise you’d be eager to prove me wrong by showing how any of those verses, when used in context, prove your assertion.

 

[concretecamper]

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lots of out of context verses, the Hallmark of the Sola Scripturist. That's what I took away from you comment.

 

[Hammster]

lots of out of context verses, the Hallmark of the Sola Scripturist. That's what I took away from you comment.

Okay.

 

[fhansen]

It’s obvious at this point that you just want to buy your way out of a bluff. Otherwise you’d be eager to prove me wrong by showing how any of those verses, when used in context, prove your assertion.

If your gospel were correct you'd find only agreement between the verses to begin with. One of the greatest errors of the Reformers was in conceiving of faith as doing away with the obligation for man to be personally righteous and live accordingly in order to be saved, of faith as separating us from that obligation. And that thought never even entered the mind of the early church or ECFs.

 

[Hammster]

If your gospel were correct you'd find only agreement between the verses to begin with. One of the greatest errors of the Reformers was in conceiving of faith as doing away with the obligation for man to be personally righteous and live accordingly in order to be saved, of faith as separating us from that obligation. And that thought never even entered the mind of the early church or ECFs.

You seem to be avoiding context like it’s a plague.

 

[fhansen]

You seem to be avoiding context like it’s a plague.

they're all in context, consistent with the gospel. I don't have any problem with them that should require any further explanation. Nothing to avoid IOW. That's yer issue

 

[Hammster]

they're all in context, consistent with the gospel. I don't have any problem with them that should require any further explanation. Nothing to avoid IOW. That's yer issue

Mkay

 

[concretecamper]

Okay.

Smart answer

 

[Hammster]

Smart answer

I agreed that it’s what you took away. So thanks.

 

[concretecamper]

I agreed that it’s what you took away. So thanks.

Haha, you know what I meant.

 

[Hammster]

Haha, you know what I meant.

I know what you said. If you meant something different, you should have said so.

 

[concretecamper]

I know what you said. If you meant something different, you should have said so.

Haha

 

[fhansen]

It's alright. No need to keep beating a dead horse here. We're coming from quite different theological perspectives and while I don't mind chasing these things down to wherever they might lead, which can be interesting, at this point it's pretty much reached a dead end. There's always next time .

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

It's alright. No need to keep beating a dead horse here. We're coming from quite different theological perspectives and while I don't mind chasing these things down to wherever they might lead, which can be interesting, at this point it's pretty much reached a dead end. There's always next time .

I am still wondering how many of our fellow ChristianForums people will allow the bible (or whatever they think it allegedly teaches) to make them treat other people poorly. You know, like how a Democratic Party member will be treated in a deeply conservative Pro Republican congregation

 

[fhansen]

I am still wondering how many of our fellow ChristianForums people will allow the bible (or whatever they think it allegedly teaches) to make them treat other people poorly. You know, like how a Democratic Party member will be treated in a deeply conservative Pro Republican congregation

Yes-people get passionate about their beliefs-probably more so with religion-I have to watch myself as well.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Yes-people get passionate about their beliefs-probably more so with religion-I have to watch myself as well.

When I was a lad, the aphorism was "never discuss religion or politics" and I think there's wisdom in that because people really do get very overheated on those two topics. Which is odd because the former is a gift from God for the unity of humanity and the latter is a creation of humanity for the better ordering of society. Neither seems to be working properly.

 

[fhansen]

When I was a lad, the aphorism was "never discuss religion or politics" and I think there's wisdom in that because people really do get very overheated on those two topics. Which is odd because the former is a gift from God for the unity of humanity and the latter is a creation of humanity for the better ordering of society. Neither seems to be working properly.

yeah-cuz of us darn people. The state of original sin will continue to have its way in us with all the pride, selfishness, and ignorance that implies. It takes time to become a perfected human being even if we're interested. Just ask my wife-she's had years of experience on this matter with me serving as the educational material!

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

yeah-cuz of us darn people. The state of original sin will continue to have its way in us with all the pride, selfishness, and ignorance that implies. It takes time to become a perfected human being even if we're interested. Just ask my wife-she's had years of experience on this matter with me serving as the educational material!

Purgatory really is a necessary state despite the imagined "unbiblical" status of it.

 

[Hammster]

Purgatory really is a necessary state despite the imagined "unbiblical" status of it.

Imagined? You mean like the fact that it can’t be backed up with scripture?