Why people reject the reality of Hell

[Der Alte]

The REALITY is that the Lake of Fire is not eternal, nor is "condemnation" to it eternal. It is age-long at the most, and designed to burn away the dross, tares, chaff, wood, hay and stubble of those cast in - to burn away all that cannot endure the fire. How do I know? Because God describes Himself as a Refiner of Men - often as Fire and sometimes as Soap. Nowhere is it said about the LoF that those cast in are there forever or annihilated, but people read that into the relevant verses. In this connection, take a look at I Corinthians 3:15.

Do you guys even read the Bible? "Age long/age during" is rubbish.
“aionios” occurs 79x in the N.T.
“aionios” is translated world only 3 times in the N.T. [.03%]
“aionios” is correctly translated eternal 42 times in the N.T. [53%]
“aionios” is correctly translated everlasting 25 times in the N.T. [35%]
Jesus used “aionios” twenty-eight [28] times, 26% of the total. Jesus never used “aionios” to refer something common, ordinary or mundane which was not/could not be “eternal.”
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Juxtapose means, the act or an instance of placing two or more things side by side often to compare or contrast.
…..Some people claim that “aionios” never means eternity/eternal/everlasting because it sometimes refers to something which is not/cannot be eternal, e.g. “world,””age.” etc.
However, “aionios” is never defined/described, by adjectives or descriptive phrases, as meaning a period of time less than eternal, in the New Testament, as in the following verses.
…..Jesus used “aionios” twenty eight [28] times. He never used “aionios” to refer to anything common, ordinary or mundane that was not or could not be eternal.

John 10:28
(28) I give them eternal [αιωνιον/aionion] life, and they shall never
[εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα/ eis ton aiona][lit. unto eternity] perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.​

In this verse Jesus parallels “aiona” with “[not] snatch them out of my hand.” If “aionios” means “age(s), a finite period,” that is not the opposite of “[not] snatch them out of my hand’” “Aionios life” by definition here means “eternal life.”

John 3:15
(15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal [aionion] life.
John 3:16
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting [aionion] life.​

In these two verses Jesus parallels “aionion” with “should not perish,” twice! Believers could eventually perish in a finite period, thus by definition “aionion life” here means eternal or everlasting life.

Romans 1:20
(20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal [αιδιος/aidios] power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Romans 16:26
(26) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting [aionios] God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:​

In Rom 1:20 Paul refers to God’s power and Godhead as “aidios.” Scholars agree “aidios” unquestionably means eternal, everlasting, forever, unending etc. In Rom 16:26, Paul, the same writer, in the same writing, book of Romans, refers to God as “aionios.” Paul has used “aidios” synonymous with “aionios.” Thus in this verse by definition “aionios” means eternal, everlasting.

 

[Der Alte]

The REALITY is that the Lake of Fire is not eternal, nor is "condemnation" to it eternal. It is age-long at the most, and designed to burn away the dross, tares, chaff, wood, hay and stubble of those cast in - to burn away all that cannot endure the fire. How do I know? Because God describes Himself as a Refiner of Men - often as Fire and sometimes as Soap. Nowhere is it said about the LoF that those cast in are there forever or annihilated, but people read that into the relevant verses. In this connection, take a look at I Corinthians 3:15.

Note: See "aionios" defined/described as eternal/everlasting in previous post by Jesus.
The lake of fire passages, in context. "burn away the dross, tares, chaff, wood, hay and stubble" etc, is NEVER mentioned.

Revelation 2:11 'Whoever has an ear should listen to what the Spirit is saying to the Churches. The one who overcomes will not be harmed by the second death.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and ho1y is the one who has part in the first resurrection! Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests” of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
Rev 19:20 But the beast was captured and with him the false prophet who worked the signs in his sight and by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who expressed adoration to his image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.2​

And 1000 years later, the beast and the false prophet, who was a person, are still in the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and [they] shall be tormented [plural verb] day and night for ever and ever. ​

And "burn away the dross, tares, chaff, wood, hay and stubble" etc, is NEVER mentioned.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.​

The lake of fire [LOF] is called “the second death” twice in Rev. vss. 20:14 and 21:8. While this is true, Rev. never says that anyone is thrown into the LOF then they die.
…..The terms “the lake of fire” and “the second death” are interchangeable.
“The lake of fire” is “the second death” and “the second death” is “the lake of fire,” thus we can see that it is not synonymous with death or destruction.
…..We also see that being thrown into the LOF is not synonymous with death from Rev 19:20, where the beast and the false prophet, who was a person, are thrown into the LOF and 1000 years later, in 20:10 the devil, is thrown into the LOF.
Three living, sentient, beings, are thrown into the LOF but they do not die, they are tormented day and night for ever and ever. There is not one verse in Revelation which says anyone/anything is thrown into the LOF then they/it dies.
…..Rev 20:14 does say death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. Death is the point in time end of life; it has no physical presence and cannot be literally thrown anywhere.
If “hell” refers to the grave, graves are empty holes. Empty cannot be literally thrown anywhere. Since neither death nor hell could/did die a first death they can’t die a second death.
But there is a scriptural answer which does not involve mixing literal and figurative in one sentence. There is a death and hell which are sentient beings and can be thrown into the LOF.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.​

My name for these two sentient beings is, “the angel of death” and “the demon of hell.” Others can feel free to call them whatever they want. The 2 beings are thrown into the LOF and their power to kill ended.
….Additional verses which show that the LOF is not synonymous with death or destruction.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.​

. Rev 21:4 says “there shall be no more death.” In vs. 5 Jesus said “Behold I make all things new.”
“No more death” but 3 verses later, Rev 21:8 says eight groups of the unrighteous; [the]fearful, [the] unbelieving, the abominable, murderers, whoremongers, sorcerers, idolaters and liars “shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is [still called] the second death.”
If there is “no more death,” after vs. 4, then those thrown into the lake of fire in vs. 8 do not die although it is called the “second death.”.

Revelation 22:11
(11) He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.​

The last chapter of the Bible, Rev. 22:11., 10 more vss. No salvation, no destruction, no death, only “He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still.”

 

[FineLinen]

Just how do you suppose that the devil and his angels will be refined? 1000 years in the bottomless pit and when they come out they foment a rebellion against God.
1 Cor 3:15 is Christ judging the works of believers not God judging lost souls which happens at the GWT judgment.
Lost souls are judged for their sins. Christians are judged for their works.

Lost souls like lost sheep are lost until the Shepherd finds them'

 

[Receivedgrace]

Lost souls like lost sheep are lost until the Shepherd finds them'

You think Satan is a lost sheep that Christ is going to find and bring into the fold?

 

[Der Alte]

You think Satan is a lost sheep that Christ is going to find and bring into the fold?

Some people do.

 

[FineLinen]

You think Satan is a lost sheep that Christ is going to find and bring into the fold?

Absolutely not!

Every lost entity ultimately bows into the Name of Jesus in every dimension of heaven, earth, and the underworld.

ALL bowing into Jesus, every one!

 

[Der Alte]

Lost souls like lost sheep are lost until the Shepherd finds them'
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Every lost soul out there wandering around ain't no sheep.

Matthew 25:31-33
(31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
(32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
(33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Matthew 25:46
(46) And these [on the left] shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

​

 

[surreal_platypus]

It makes sense to me, sinning is like a negative charge of energy, you die a sinner your remaining energy/soul descends into the core of earth where all other forms of negative energy that have ever died are balled up and stuck together forever. I would imagine that has to suck very bad.

If you are righteous/forgiven your soul has a positive energy charge and will ascend into the heavens where every other form of good/holy energy has ascended and where God resides and that sounds like a farrrrrr better place to spend eternity.

 

[Servus]

Here again what you can't seem to see.
[1]1925 Jewish Encyclopedia, Gehenna
The place where children were sacrificed to the god Moloch … in the "valley of the sons of Hinnom," to the south of Jerusalem (Josh. xv. 8, passim; II Kings xxiii. 10; Jer. ii. 23; vii. 31-32; xix. 6, 13-14). … the valley was deemed to be accursed, and "Gehenna" therefore soon became a figurative equivalent for "hell." Hell, like paradise, was created by God (Sotah 22a);[“Soon” in this paragraph would be about 700 BC +/-, DA]

That's just your own personal conjecture.

Note: This is according to the ancient Jews, long before the Christian era, NOT any assumed/alleged bias of “modern” Christian translators. DA
This refutes the false narrative that the eleven [11] times Jesus mentioned “Gehenna” He was referring to the valley of GeHinnom/Gehenna where trash and bodies were supposedly always burning.

Perhaps. I've seen disagreement among universalists regarding this.

”(I)n general …sinners go to hell immediately after their death. The famous teacher Johanan b. Zakkai [30 BC-90 AD] wept before his death because he did not know whether he would go to paradise or to hell (Ber. 28b). The pious go to paradise, and sinners to hell(B.M. 83b).

That's no different than what's already know about hell according to Judaism.

“But as regards the heretics, etc., and Jeroboam, Nebat's son, hell shall pass away, but they shall not pass away" (R. H. 17a; comp. Shab [Talmud]. 33b). All that descend into Gehenna shall come up again, with the exception of three classes of men: those who have committed adultery, or shamed their neighbors, or vilified them (B. M. 58b).[/i]
“… heretics and the Roman oppressors go to Gehenna, and the same fate awaits the Persians, the oppressors of the Babylonian Jews (Ber. 8b).[Talmud] “When Nebuchadnezzar descended into hell, [שאול/Sheol] all its inhabitants were afraid that he was coming to rule over them [quoted as factual DA] (Shab. 149a; [Talmud] comp. Isa. xiv. 9-10).

The Talmud was written in the 3rd to 5th century if not later. It doesn't establish what was believed in the time of Jesus.

The Book of Enoch [x. 6, xci. 9, etal] also says that it is chiefly the heathen who are to be cast into the fiery pool on the Day of Judgment (x. 6, xci. 9, et al).

That's no different than what's already know about hell according to Judaism.

"The Lord, the Almighty, will punish them on the Day of Judgment by putting fire and worms into their flesh, so that they cry out with pain unto all eternity" (Judith xvi. 17).

That dubious apocrypha is the only part of your magnum opus hell post that actually says anything about eternal torment, that wasn't written after the time of Jesus.

The sinners in Gehenna will be filled with pain when God puts back the souls into the dead bodies on the Day of Judgment, according to Isa. xxxiii. 11 (Sanh. 108b)[Talmud].

That again is something that was written in the 3rd to 5th century if not later. It doesn't establish what was believed in the time of Jesus.

[2]1972 Encyclopedia Judaica:
Gehinnom (Heb. גֵּי בֶן־הִנֹּם, גֵּי בְנֵי הִנֹּם, גֵּיא בֶן־הִנֹּם, גֵּיא הִנֹּם; Gr. Γέεννα; "Valley of Ben-Hinnom, Valley of [the Son (s) of] Hinnom," Gehenna), a valley south of Jerusalem on one of the borders between the territories of Judah and Benjamin, between the Valley of *Rephaim and *En-Rogel (Josh. 15:8; 18:16). It is identified with Wadi er-Rababi.
During the time of the Monarchy, Gehinnom, at a place called Topheth, was the site of a cult which involved the burning of children (II Kings 23:10; Jer. 7:31; 32:35 et al.; ). Jeremiah repeatedly condemned this cult and predicted that on its account Topheth and the Valley of the Son of Hinnom would be called the Valley of the "Slaughter" (Jer. 19:5–6).
In Judaism the name Gehinnom is generally used as an appellation of the place of torment reserved for the wicked after death. The New Testament used the Greek form Gehenna in the same sense.
Link:
Gehinnom
http://www.jevzajcg.me/enciklopedia/Encyclopaedia Judaica, v. 07 (Fey-Gor).pdf

This is a present day conclusion. It doesn't establish what was believed in the time of Jesus.

[3]Talmud -Tractate Rosh Hashanah Chapter 1.
The school of Hillel says: . . . but as for Minim, [i.e. followers of Jesus] informers and disbelievers, who deny the Torah, or Resurrection, or separate themselves from the congregation, or who inspire their fellowmen with dread of them, or who sin and cause others to sin, as did Jeroboam the son of Nebat and his followers, they all descend to Gehenna, and are judged there from generation to generation, as it is said [Isa. lxvi. 24]:
"And they shall go forth and look upon the carcases of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched." Even when Gehenna will be destroyed, they will not be consumed, as it is written[Psalms, xlix. 15]: "And their forms wasteth away in the nether world," which the sages comment upon to mean that their forms shall endure even when the grave is no more.
Concerning them Hannah says [I Sam. ii. 10]: "The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken to pieces."
Link: Tract Rosh Hashana: Chapter I.

That again is something that was written in the 3rd to 5th century if not later. It doesn't establish what was believed in the time of Jesus.

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[Lazarus Short]

It makes sense to me, sinning is like a negative charge of energy, you die a sinner your remaining energy/soul descends into the core of earth where all other forms of negative energy that have ever died are balled up and stuck together forever. I would imagine that has to suck very bad.

If you are righteous/forgiven your soul has a positive energy charge and will ascend into the heavens where every other form of good/holy energy has ascended and where God resides and that sounds like a farrrrrr better place to spend eternity.

I think you are philosophizing there...

 

[P1LGR1M]

The REALITY is that the Lake of Fire is not eternal, nor is "condemnation" to it eternal.

The reality is stated in Scripture:


Mark 9:43-44
King James Version

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.


Unending fire is a common theme in the Lord's teaching concerning the fate of unbelievers.


Matthew 3:11-12
King James Version

11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.


He isn't speaking about refining unbelievers, but burning them—not their works—in fire that is unquenchable.


Matthew 13:37-42
King James Version

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


The tares are the children of the devil, not children of God. Men become the sons of God by being born of God in Regeneration.

The children of the devil, not their works—are gathered and burned, cast into a furnace of fire: the Lake of Fire.

The New Testament consistently teaches this, yet universal salvation teaches that these teachings aren't true. It is human reasoning that developed and sustains universal salvation, and it is false doctrine. Anything that teaches contrary to the teachings of Christ and the Apostles is flase teaching, and there is no point trying to sugar-coat that.


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[P1LGR1M]

I think you are philosophizing there...

Here's some more philosophy:

It is age-long at the most, and designed to burn away the dross, tares, chaff, wood, hay and stubble of those cast in

It is as everlasting as the Life we receive.

The two are contrasted:

John 5:29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


Mar 3:29
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: G2920


Does the Lord teach that there is sin which cannot be forgiven?

Or not?

Would any universal salvation teacher care to answer this question?


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[P1LGR1M]

to burn away all that cannot endure the fire.

Sorry, no:

Matthew 13:37-42
King James Version

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


The Lord didn't teach that the tares were the works of unbelievers, but unbelievers, and that they were/are children of the devil, contrasted with the children of the Kingdom. The first application of this is to Israel and those who will enter the Millennial Kingdom, but it also applies to Eternal Judgment.

It will not be works wailing and gnashing their teeth, it will be the children of the devil doing this.


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[P1LGR1M]

How do I know? Because God describes Himself as a Refiner of Men - often as Fire and sometimes as Soap.

It would be a good idea to see who God will refine, and what is burned up.


Malachi 3
King James Version

1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.

2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness.

4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the Lord, as in the days of old, and as in former years.

5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts.


1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,


Revelation 21:24-27
King James Version

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.


Revelation 22:14-15; 18-19
King James Version

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


Still waiting for a universal salvation teacher to step up and address what it means for someone to have their part taken out of the book of life.


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[FineLinen]

The reality is stated in Scripture:

The reality is that the Lake of Fire is not eternal, nor is "condemnation" to it eternal. -Lazarus Short

Take a season and examine the root of the Lake of Fire. The foundation is theion and theioo.

 

[P1LGR1M]

Nowhere is it said about the LoF that those cast in are there forever or annihilated, but people read that into the relevant verses. In this connection, take a look at I Corinthians 3:15.

Sure it is, and it has been shown over and over in this (and other similar) thread/s:


Revelation 19:19-20
King James Version

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


Revelation 20:10
King James Version

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


The Devil, Satan, is cast into the Lake of Fire, where the Beast and False Prophet were cast one thousand years (and 75 days) prior.

It is the Devil, the Beast, and the False Prophet (these last two are men) that are tormented day and night forever and ever.

While I think all of us would like to believe that all men will be saved, we can't ignore the clear teachings of Scripture that make it clear there are two eternal groups: the saved and the lost.

That is why we preach the Good News, because the Bad News (man's separation from God, that begins at conception) is so horrible.

Feel-good videos aren't going to change what Christ and the Apostles have taught.


God bless.

 

[P1LGR1M]

The reality is that the Lake of Fire is not eternal, nor is "condemnation" to it eternal. -Lazarus Short

Take a season and examine the root of the Lake of Fire. The foundation is theion and theioo.

You prooftext your beliefs with extra-biblical sources and I'll continue to prove my beliefs with the Word of God.

Take a season and read the Bible, and try to get a grip on the context of the Word of God as a whole. The context of these passages, particularly when we take all of them into consideration—make it clear that not only is Eternal Condemnation a First Century teaching of Christ and the Apostles, it is a Doctrine that is found in the Old Testament. Why do you think men asked Christ how they might receive eternal life? Because they understood there would be a resurrection unto life and a resurrection unto everlasting shame and contempt (Daniel 12:1-2).

The Damnation of unbelievers is everlasting, not eternal. Only God is Eternal, and only God has always existed. Unbelievers are said to go into the Lake of Fire and their torment will be day and night forever and ever.

Believers receive Eternal Life through their union with God through Christ. That is why they have Eternal Life and the dead, unbelievers do not.


God bless.

 

[FineLinen]

Take a season and read the Bible, and try to get a grip on the context of the Word of God as a whole. The context of these passages, particularly when we take all of them into consideration—make it clear that not only is Eternal Condemnation a First Century teaching of Christ and the Apostles, it is a Doctrine that is found in the Old Testament.

Search = "eternal condemnation"

There are no references to eternal condemnation in the KJV.

Search = "eternal torment"

There are no references to eternal torment in the KJV

Search = "the love of God"

There are 166 references to the love of God

The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases...

 

[P1LGR1M]

Search = "eternal condemnation"

There are no references to eternal condemnation in the KJV.

Search = "eternal torment"

There are no references to eternal torment in the KJV

Search = "the love of God"

There are 166 references to the love of God

The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases...

Search Trinity.

Your advice is worthless, because you are trying to condemn (pun intended) words we use to describe Doctrines and concepts in Scripture and make a case that because "eternal condemnation" isn't found you have somehow supported your argument.

Are you a monotheist, then? Because to be consistent you are going to have to equally argue against the Trinity.

Address the Scripture and the points, as I have with your proof-texts. To keep repeating "There's no such thing as Eternal Condemnation" hasn't helped you yet, and dodging the actual discussion isn't helping you.

And this is how supporters of false doctrine always have to engage in a Doctrinal Discussion: by avoiding the discussion.


God bless.

 

[P1LGR1M]

The reality is that the Lake of Fire is not eternal, nor is "condemnation" to it eternal. -Lazarus Short

I'll try to make this easier for you:

Revelation 20:10
King James Version

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Is it the works of the devil, the beast, and the false prophet that are tormented day and night forever and ever—or is it the devil the beast, and the false prophet that are tormented day and night foever and ever?

God bless.