Why people reject the reality of Hell

[Lazarus Short]

Any verse which is posted and which disregards other vss. on the same topic which indicate a different conclusion is out-of-context.
Any vs. I post please show how it is out-of-context?
You made the false accusation that " consider the word of John the Baptist to be worthless." Is patently false. When what any NT writer writes appears to contradict the words of Jesus it must absolutely, always be resolved in favor of Jesus. The words of a disciple cannot contradict the words of Jesus.
ETA: I went back and reviewed. The words of Jesus in Matt 7:21-23 absolutely supersede the words of John in Joh 1:29. Not the wrong way round as you are doing. I cannot comprehend why you fail to understand that.

I have no problem with Matthew 7:21-23, but you seem to have a problem with John 1:29. I just see Jesus' words there as spoken at some point in time before reconciliation was complete. I'm sure you will disagree...

When I see two or more verses which seem to contradict each other, I tend to see a problem with interpretation or translation.

 

[Der Alte]

I have no problem with Matthew 7:21-23, but you seem to have a problem with John 1:29. I just see Jesus' words there as spoken at some point in time before reconciliation was complete. I'm sure you will disagree...

You disagree with my reasoning about Matt 7:21-23 superseding your interpretation of John 1:29?

When I see two or more verses which seem to contradict each other, I tend to see a problem with interpretation or translation.

You didn't do that with Matt 7:21-23 and John 1:29. Just sayin'.

 

[Receivedgrace]

"all deserve eternal destruction" - Receivedgrace

What's up with that?

What part of all have sinned do you not understand. The wages of sin is death.
Why do you think Christ died on the cross?

 

[FineLinen]

What part of all have sinned do you not understand. The wages of sin is death.
Why do you think Christ died on the cross?

Death is the outcome of sin, not non stop torment by our Heavenly Father, ABBA.

All death is consummated in He that swallows it.

 

[FineLinen]

"He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it."

Swallow = bālaʿ =

To swallow down, swallow up, engulf, eat up.

 

[Jipsah]

Not really! Was Jesus lying in Matt 25:46?

Was St. Paul lying in Romans 6:23?Was Jesus lying in Matthew 25? Nope (you like that tack, though, don't you? Sleazy.) Isn't being destroyed, both body and soul, in hell eternal enough to suit you? But of course, you you believe that our Lord was just winding us up in Matthew 10:20, because He knew that God will never destroy anyone in hell, right?

(And the whanging of the macro key follows)

EOB Matthew:25:46 When he will answer them, saying: ‘Amen, I tell you: as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These [ones on the left] will go away into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] punishment, [κόλασις/kolasis] but the righteous into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] life.”

So our Lord obviously misspoke here, because He surely knows that both groups have eternal life, one in bliss and one in torment, right? Obviously the unrighteous have to be alive to ECT to work. He made it sound as though one would live forever and one would not have eternal life and would, you know, die.

 

[Jipsah]

I think maybe some of the folks in this post may end up experiencing hell because they think the word of God is something to play with.

Sorry mate, but that isn't going to win the argument.

 

[Lazarus Short]

Death is the outcome of sin, not non stop torment by our Heavenly Father, ABBA.

All death is consummated in He that swallows it.

It seems most/all advocates of "hell" never catch the implications of God's threat of ONLY death for eating the fruit. His Law, given to Moses, follows the same pattern: the worst punishment is simple death, with no threat against the dead at all. It is only one place of many where the ship of ECT theory hits the reef of truth.

 

[Jipsah]

In a sense God has chosen everyone, however only those who respond to that invitation by accepting Christ as Savior have forgiveness of sins.

So He's chosen everyone, but He's going to torture most of them forever.

 

[Jipsah]

Want to test it? Find a vs., 2 or more would be better, where God, Himself, or Jesus, Himself, says that a soul was or will be killed in hell?

You're right, of course. Jesus was just trying to throw a scare into His audience.

 

[Jipsah]

[QUOTE="Saint Steven, post: 76866301
Saint Steven said: ↑
Did Jesus die to save us from God?[/QUOTE] I think the overwhelming answer here is "Yes!"

 

[Jipsah]

the FACT that in Israel, before and during the time of Jesus there was a significant belief in a place of fiery eternal punishment which they called both "sheol" and "Ge Hinnom," written in the 225 BC Septuagint/LXX and the New Testament as "Hades" and "Gehenna."

These are the folks who crucified our Lord, right? Looks like they didn't have things sorted out as well as you'd have us believe.

 

[Jipsah]

Not correct. The bible does not give any hope to those who are in the Lake of Fire. It is a one-way trip.

Because they're destroyed, as our Lord warned.

Those in the lake of fire will know the complete absence of the presence of God.

Made up doctrine.

 

[Jipsah]

So then the details in Matt 10:28 point to the fact that in this life the body is killed but not the soul. Yet God is the one that destroys both body and soul in fiery hell so then He is the one to fear not those humans who in this life can only kill the bod

Yeah, but that's not what it really means. (The handiest phrase in exegesis.)

 

[Der Alte]

These are the folks who crucified our Lord, right? Looks like they didn't have things sorted out as well as you'd have us believe.

I am impressed! You read a post that is about 3.5 typewritten pages long. You don't have a clue what it was about and the only comment you have is "Looks like they didn't have things sorted out as well as you'd have us believe." Nothing in my post even implied that.

 

[Der Alte]

You're right, of course. Jesus was just trying to throw a scare into His audience.

IOW you can't find a verse anywhere which says even one "soul" was or will be destroyed.

 

[Der Alte]

Because they're destroyed, as our Lord warned.
Made up doctrine.

Although the lake of fire[LOF] is called the "the second death" twice there is not one single vs. in Rev which says anyone/anything is thrown into the LOF and then they or it dies.
Verses which show that the LOF is not synonymous with death or destruction.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.​

Rev 21:4 says “there shall be no more death.” In vs. 5 Jesus said “Behold I make all things new.”
“No more death” but 3 verses later, Rev 21:8 says eight groups of the unrighteous; [the]fearful, [the] unbelieving, the abominable, murderers, whoremongers, sorcerers, idolaters and liars “shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is [still called] the second death.”
If there is “no more death,” after vs. 4, then those thrown into the lake of fire in vs. 8 do not die although it is called the “second death.”.

 

[BobRyan]

duplicate

 

[BobRyan]

Of course I did. I examined every book, chapter and verse in the Bible to decide which held the better explanation: damnation, annihilation and universal reconciliation. Isn't it interesting that the first two options have the emphasis on failure, and only the last on victory?

But, to be fair:

Matthew 10:28 should read "gehenna," not "hell."

And so it does - but that is the word that is translated as "hell" since obviously God will not transport each human that is lost to Jerusalem and kill them in the dumpster fire that used to be there 1000's of years ago,

So then the details in Matt 10:28 point to the fact that in this life the body is killed but not the soul. Yet God is the one that destroys both body and soul in fiery hell so then He is the one to fear not those humans who in this life can only kill the body.

Matt 10:28
28 And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Yeah, but that's not what it really means. (The handiest phrase in exegesis.)

When your response to the quote of a text is to add "that's not what it really means." - you show that exegesis is not the method of interpretation you are choosing.

 

[BobRyan]

Although the lake of fire[LOF] is called the "the second death" twice there is not one single vs. in Rev which says anyone/anything is thrown into the LOF and then they or it dies.

Except for those who admit that "second death" is a reference to the person dying in the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.​