What is the difficulty of getting into heaven?

[Soyeong]

You trusting in yourself and law righteousness. Christ came for His People and kept the Law and fulfilled all the righteousness of the Law for us, every minute holy detail of it, perfectly, and thats what is imputed as their righteousness. Gods true people now walk in faith understanding the righteousness required by the Law has been given to us as free gift donation of righteousness. Rom 5:17

For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ)

Please explain why relying on what God has instructed is trusting in myself rather than in God. Christ fulfilled the law by spending his ministry teaching his followers how to correctly obey it by word and by example. In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus summarized the Mosaic Law as being about how to love God and our neighbor, so thinking that he fulfilled the law for us so that we don't have to would be like saying that he loved the Father and his neighbor for us so that we don't have to, but rather he did so in part so that we would have an example to follow, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22).

Jesus expressed his righteousness by living in obedience to God's law, so that is also the way that we live when we are imputed with His righteousness, while it is contradictory to be imputed with the gift of righteousness without also having the gift of becoming someone who does what is is righteous in obedience to God's law. There is contradictory for someone to want the gift of righteousness while not wanting its content. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the law, so obedience to it is the way to live by faith.

 

[servant7777]

That's not what scripture teaches. It teaches we can know we have eternal life.

And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Interestingly, the same chapter said we know we love others if we keep the commandments.
So if we break a commandment it's an indicator that we are weak in our love for humanity, but it's not an indication that we are no longer in Christ.

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Now we need to know what else scripture teaches, regarding knowing we have eternal life.

First to know what eternal life is. It is knowing the only true God and Jesus Christ who He sent.

Knowing that the Son of God is come ( antichrists deny Christ came in the flesh) and gave us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.





John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.




Again we read what eternal life is ( it is God dwelling in us, He is the true God and eternal life)

We pass from death to life, through loving the brothers, and anyone who does not love their brother, does not abide in (eternal) life, they abide in death. ( eternally)

These things the Apostles write to us, to know we have eternal life, so that we may believe on the name of the Son of God( who is eternal life)





1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

 

[servant7777]

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so living in obedience to God's law is inherently part of the concept of Jesus saving us from not living in obedience to it, so there is a correct role of obedience to God's law in regard to our salvation and what is said against incorrect roles should not be mistaken as speaking against the correct role. So for example:

Why do you continue to teach( law) repeatedly, but never wish to engage with me, to find out, once and for all, what sin is, and how we are freed from sin, and how that cannot be at all by keeping/observing the law, but is entirely done without the deeds of the law?

Jesus cannot show the way to salvation is by keeping the law, when He is the way to salvation, and that there is no salvation without Him dying to break us free from the curse of the law. Also Jesus cannot observe the law when He came to make it honourable, He came to show what faith and love and mercy are, which the law could not reveal, because faith, mercy and the love of God are in what Jesus came to do. Not how He observed a law that cant know what faith love and mercy is, but because He was fulfilling the law, of what was missing from it. ( His kindness, His meekness, His mercy, His faith and the love of God to give His life for us)




Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.



How many times/years, have you kept quoting one verse in 1 John 3, and by doing that you have misinterpreted the whole message ?

Just include one verse next to the one you always state, and the meaning can be seen then.

Sin is the transgression of the law, and that is why Jesus was manifested, to take away our sins( in the law)


1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.



That way, there is no condemnation( as there is in the law) as they in the law walk in the flesh, but they in Christ walk in the Spirit.

The law then is weak through the flesh.

That Spirit of Christ made us free from the law, which is flesh, sin and death.

The righteousness( same righteousness) that Christ fulfilled( laying His life down for us is the righteousness of God) is fulfilled in us, we lay our lives down for the brothers/another, when we walk after the Spirit ( not the flesh, which is the law, which is sin, which is death)


Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


Proof is right here Soyeong, READ MY WORDS.

WHAT IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN.

( NOBODY CAN KEEP ANY LAW THEY ARE FOREVER IN SIN)

IF CHRIST IS NOT RAISED ( ANYONE WHO IS KEEPING LAW AND DOING THE COMMANDMENTS) IS DOING IT IN VAIN, AS THEY ARE YET IN THEIR SINS.

ONLY BY BELIEVING THAT JESUS IS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD, IS HOW WE DO NOT DIE IN OUR SINS.





Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

1 Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.



Now the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, ( who walk n ot after the law) but after the Spirit. ( For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.)

With the heart man believes unto righteousness, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us, if we believe in our heart that God raised up the Lord Jesus from the dead.

Not remaining ignorant of this righteousness of God ( Christ fulfilled the righteousness of the law by rising from the dead)

Not as Israel going about to establish their own righteousness ( in the law) and thus not submitting themselves to this righteousness of God ( not having knowledge of it/remaining ignorant/unbelieving) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness. ( Christ ended the law by fulfilling it, and the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law is Christ dying for us to live again.)




Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.



Now ( through belief in Christ fulfilling the righteousness of the law through His death and rising again) we yield our bodies as instruments of righteousness to God, as those that are alive from the dead with Him. ( to fulfill the righteousness of the law, through faith, and not through the law, which is not of faith)

Sin has no dominion over us BECAUSE WE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW OF FLESH, SIN AND DEATH, WHICH CHRIST SET US FREE FROM THROUGH DYING TO SIN ONCE, AND IN THAT HE LIVES, HE LIVED UNTO GOD.

We shall not sin because WE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW, but are UNDER GRACE.



Romans 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Romans 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

 

[servant7777]

Yes, it upholds it as a means of sanctification, not as justification (imputed righteousness).

To fulfill the commandments of Christ( through faith in Christ given to die and rise again for our sins) is to fulfil the will of God ( our sanctification)

The Lord is the avenger of anyone who defrauds their brother, that is why we are not justified when we do unjustly. We are justified if we believed in God being just through Christ( Christ dying to justify us with God) then we walk WORTHY.


1 Thessalonians 4:1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.
2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.

Ephesians 4:4: I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

Colossians 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

1 Thessalonians 2:10 Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe:
11 As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father doth his children,
12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

Revelation 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

 

[servant7777]

What happens when we ABIDE IN LOVE?



We abide in the light ( Abide in Christ) and Christs light causes us to have no reason to stumble.

It is passing from death ( stumbling) to life ( no occasion of stumbling) because now we can love the brothers( the love of God is shed into our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. Romans 5:5)

Those who do not love their brother, have not been given the shed blood of Christ nor the Holy Ghost.





1 John 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.





The antichrist spirit ( as I said earlier) denies Christ came in the flesh.

Many false prophets teach that way and deny Christ came in the flesh.

They do not believe that Christ came in the flesh, do not have the love of Go shed for them, do not have the Holy Spirit( they have the spirit of error)



1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.




This is love( that the antichrist does not believe in and therefore does not possess, cannot confess, must deny)

God loved us and gave His Son to be propitiation for our sins.

God loved us this way ( we believe in it and the antichrist dos not) so we must believing in loving others as God loved us ( laying His life down for us)

If we love one another( believed in the love of God laying His life down for us to be propitiation for our sins) then God dwells in us ( and shed His love and Holy Ghost unto us) and His love is then perfected in us ( because we received His love through the faith of Christ)

We know Gd dwells in us, as He gave us His Spirit ( by belief in the perfect love He did./sacrificed for us)


1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

 

[fhansen]

All of the message to the churches ( in the book of Revelation) was to overcome, and they who are born of God will overcome this world ( sin)

Yes, will overcome. Not all at once. There’s a learning curve. Sorry, that’s the way it works. When Peter denied Jesus that was an example of not yet having fully and perfectly overcome. And yet he was an overcomer nonetheless, and fully overcame at some point. Becoming an overcomer in Christ begins here-and must begin here. That does not mean that it’s perfectly finished here.

 

[Brightfame52]

Well, as long as that means that you, personally, are pure, holy, and spotless, i.e. sinless, I'm sure you'll be fine. There's certainly nothing to be condemned for in that.

Personally ? As long as its understood its not my own personal holiness, purity, and so forth, but Christs, its just imputed, charged, to me. In myself, Im impure, a sinner !

 

[Brightfame52]

Please explain why relying on what God has instructed is trusting in myself rather than in God. Christ fulfilled the law by spending his ministry teaching his followers how to correctly obey it by word and by example. In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus summarized the Mosaic Law as being about how to love God and our neighbor, so thinking that he fulfilled the law for us so that we don't have to would be like saying that he loved the Father and his neighbor for us so that we don't have to, but rather he did so in part so that we would have an example to follow, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22).

Jesus expressed his righteousness by living in obedience to God's law, so that is also the way that we live when we are imputed with His righteousness, while it is contradictory to be imputed with the gift of righteousness without also having the gift of becoming someone who does what is is righteous in obedience to God's law. There is contradictory for someone to want the gift of righteousness while not wanting its content. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the law, so obedience to it is the way to live by faith.

God sent His Son to fulfill all righteousness, that includes Law keeping righteousness. Man in the flesh could not keep it, never could, never will. Yet Christ could and did for Gods People, He did this as it was prophesized Isa 42:21

21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

God is only well pleased with Jesus keeping the Law they way it should be kept for Righteousness Matt 3:15-17

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

I hope God opens up your understanding, and give you faith in Christs Law Keeping righteousness, if not, Im afraid you will continue to trust in your own law keeping righteousness, which is not wise .

 

[fhansen]

Personally ? As long as its understood its not my own personal holiness, purity, and so forth, but Christs, its just imputed, charged, to me. In myself, Im impure, a sinner !

Great.
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean." Matt 23:26-26

That's Gods purpose for you with His New Covenant, as you become one of His. He has a higher goal and purpose for you than you do for yourself.

“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people." Jer 31:33-34

“Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood." Rev 22:14-15

But, go ahead ignore such truth. I'll only say that God is not interested in snow-covered dung-heaps and our remaining in our sin while we continue to "humbly" beat our breasts while admitting our sinfulness, although there may be times when renewed repentance is called for. He did what He did so that you may overcome sin, the sin that the law could not overcome, and so escape the condemnation of sin: death.

"Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live." Rom 8:12-13

Righteousness comes from God, alone, just as our eyesight does. But in the case of righteousness or morality, we must be in a relationship or union with Him of loving subjugation, in order to have those. That's a matter of truth and justice and right order. Man was made for that relationship, for communion with God-and has no moral integrity apart from Him. And that relationship is entered into via faith.

 

[Brightfame52]

Great.
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean." Matt 23:26-26

That's Gods purpose for you with His New Covenant, as you become one of His. He has a higher goal and purpose for you than you do for yourself.

“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people." Jer 31:33-34

“Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood." Rev 22:14-15

But, go ahead ignore such truth. I'll only say that God is not interested in snow-coverd dung-heaps and our remaining in our sin while we continue to "humbly" beat our breasts while admitting our sinfulness, although there may be times when renewed repentance is called for. He did what He did so that you may overcome sin, the sin that the law could not overcome, and so escape the condemnation of sin: death.

"Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live." Rom 8:12-13

Righteousness comes from God, alone, just as our eyesight does. But in the case of righteousness or morality, we must be in a relationship or union with Him of loving subjugation, in order to have those. That's a matter of truth and justice and right order. Man was made for that relationship, for communion with God-and has no moral integrity apart from Him. And that relationship is entered into via faith.

May God deliver you from self righteousness, and be pleased to give you Faith in Christ friend.

 

[fhansen]

May God deliver you from self righteousness, and be pleased to give you Faith in Christ friend.

Alright,. Like I say go ahead and ignore His word and the gospel as it was received at the beginning. He wants you to have righteousness, but God-righteousness, not self righteousness. But I imagine you know that intuitively anyway, regardless of specific theology, and live your life as if what you do, with and by God's grace, counts.

 

[Soyeong]

God sent His Son to fulfill all righteousness, that includes Law keeping righteousness. Man in the flesh could not keep it, never could, never will. Yet Christ could and did for Gods People, He did this as it was prophesized Isa 42:21

21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

God is only well pleased with Jesus keeping the Law they way it should be kept for Righteousness Matt 3:15-17

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

I hope God opens up your understanding, and give you faith in Christs Law Keeping righteousness, if not, Im afraid you will continue to trust in your own law keeping righteousness, which is not wise .

I agree that Jesus fulfilled all righteousness by living in obedience to God's law, however, you are erroneously concluding that he did that so that we don't have to follow his example rather than that he did that so that we would have an example to follow, and again we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22). Again, please explain why you consider relying on what God has instructed is trusting in myself rather than in God.

In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, God said that His law was not too difficult to keep and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as something that we are unable to keep. Furthermore, there are example of people who did keep the law, such as in Joshua 22:1-3 and Luke 1:5-6, and Revelation 14:12 and 22:14 refer to people who kept God's commandments. Nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus fulfilled the law for us so that we don't have to, but rather is consistently calls for people to repent and obey it.

 

[fhansen]

I agree that Jesus fulfilled all righteousness by living in obedience to God's law, however, you are erroneously concluding that he did that so that we don't have to follow his example rather than that he did that so that we would have an example to follow,

Yes, this is the problem! And follow His example we must, even if not as perfectly, in order to gain eternal life. If Sola Fide means that we can't and don't need to follow that example, by the Spirit, under grace, even as we strive and struggle at times to do so, then the doctrine wouldn't be worth much.

 

[servant7777]

Yes, will overcome. Not all at once. There’s a learning curve. Sorry, that’s the way it works. When Peter denied Jesus that was an example of not yet having fully and perfectly overcome. And yet he was an overcomer nonetheless, and fully overcame at some point. Becoming an overcomer in Christ begins here-and must begin here. That does not mean that it’s perfectly finished here.

If you are going to talk my way, why talk incorrectly and partially ?

Peter had no Holy Spirit /the love of God not yet shed into anyone's hearts until Christ died and rose again, that is what gives man power and faith, to see that Christ did rise from the dead.



Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Acts 4:19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.

Acts 4:24 And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:

Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.



The Apostles and all the believers all had one mind and one Spirit was given to them all, and that is how we overcome this world, in these examples and in the very same way, there is no other but what is lied about and invented.

They we see are immediately born of God( born of the Spirit) and that is how they overcame the world, and the victory that overcomes the world is our faith.




1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.



Overcoming the world is overcoming the wicked one, their sins are forgiven for Christs sake, ( they are baptized unto His death) knowing God( being born again of God) and the word of God abiding in them ( which is to put on Christ)


Anything else anyone adds, or denies any of it, is a liar.



1 John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

 

[servant7777]

I agree that Jesus fulfilled all righteousness by living in obedience to God's law, however, you are erroneously concluding that he did that so that we don't have to follow his example rather than that he did that so that we would have an example to follow, and again we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22). Again, please explain why you consider relying on what God has instructed is trusting in myself rather than in God.

In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, God said that His law was not too difficult to keep and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as something that we are unable to keep. Furthermore, there are example of people who did keep the law, such as in Joshua 22:1-3 and Luke 1:5-6, and Revelation 14:12 and 22:14 refer to people who kept God's commandments. Nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus fulfilled the law for us so that we don't have to, but rather is consistently calls for people to repent and obey it.

Jesus fulfilled the law by dying to fulfil the requirement of the curse of the law ( hanged on a tree/ made a curse for us)

The laws righteousness was then fulfilled.

We fulfil the same way ( it cant be different) to be baptized unto the death of Christ and to be quickened together with Him in the Spirit.

 

[servant7777]

But, go ahead ignore such truth. I'll only say that God is not interested in snow-covered dung-heaps and our remaining in our sin while we continue to "humbly" beat our breasts while admitting our sinfulness, although there may be times when renewed repentance is called for. He did what He did so that you may overcome sin, the sin that the law could not overcome, and so escape the condemnation of sin: death.

Repentance is not to be repented of:


2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

 

[fhansen]

If you are going to talk my way, why talk incorrectly and partially ?

Peter had no Holy Spirit /the love of God not yet shed into anyone's hearts until Christ died and rose again, that is what gives man power and faith, to see that Christ did rise from the dead.



Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Acts 4:19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.

Acts 4:24 And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:

Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.



The Apostles and all the believers all had one mind and one Spirit was given to them all, and that is how we overcome this world, in these examples and in the very same way, there is no other but what is lied about and invented.

They we see are immediately born of God( born of the Spirit) and that is how they overcame the world, and the victory that overcomes the world is our faith.




1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.



Overcoming the world is overcoming the wicked one, their sins are forgiven for Christs sake, ( they are baptized unto His death) knowing God( being born again of God) and the word of God abiding in them ( which is to put on Christ)


Anything else anyone adds, or denies any of it, is a liar.



1 John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

I'm not talking anyone's way except my way, as I have been all along, which is also the way the church of Christ has always talked. Even with the Holy Spirit, overcoming isnt all at once. We struggle, we grow.

 

[servant7777]

I'm not talking anyone's way except my way, as I have been all along, which is also the way the church of Christ has always talked. Even with the Holy Spirit, overcoming isnt all at once. We grow.

You gave false example of Peter pre Spirit, pore love and pre power.

If that is Catholic church talk, it is incorrect talk.



Now you mention growth, when the testimony shows how we are born again, to overcome the word, you have satans mouth.

 

[fhansen]

You gave false example of Peter pre Spirit, pore love and pre power.

If that is Catholic church talk, it is incorrect talk.



Now you mention growth, when the testimony shows how we are born again, to overcome the word, you have satans mouth.

No, if anyone does you do because you speak partial truth. But I'll just call it error

 

[servant7777]

How does one grow to be born again ?

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.