My Day One Challenge

[AV1611VET]

I do think scientists are quite conservative about what they admit into the body of "knowledge". Sometimes overly so.

But I think most of them are rather sensible about how we should regard all the worlds various creation myths.

Suppose a YEC thinks they're throwing the baby out with the bathwater, if they reject YEC as a creation myth?

 

[durangodawood]

Suppose a YEC thinks they're throwing the baby out with the bathwater, if they reject YEC as a creation myth?

For anyone committed to the Bible, I think they should accept YEC as a creation myth.

 

[AV1611VET]

For anyone committed to the Bible, I think they should accept YEC as a creation myth.

Does that work the other way around?

Do you think that anyone who accepts YEC as a creation myth should be committed to the Bible?

 

[durangodawood]

Does that work the other way around?

Do you think that anyone who accepts YEC as a creation myth should be committed to the Bible?

I think thats for each person according to their conscience, or how they are drawn to believe.

I mean I accept YEC as a creation myth, but Im not a Christian.

 

[AV1611VET]

I mean I accept YEC as a creation myth, but I'm not a Christian.

What's holding you back (if I may ask)?

 

[durangodawood]

What's holding you back (if I may ask)?

Dont find anything to convince me that God or anything supernatural generally is real.

Nor am I convinced theyre not real. Its just all in the category of great unknowns.

 

[AV1611VET]

Dont find anything to convince me that God or anything supernatural generally is real.

Nor am I convinced theyre not real. Its just all in the category of great unknowns.

Thanks for an honest answer.

Keep in mind that all these churches and holidays and whatnot aren't just people acting out their fantasies.

There really is Someone "out there" waiting to take your call.​

 

[SelfSim]

Keep in mind that all these churches and holidays and whatnot aren't just people acting out their fantasies.

There really is Someone "out there" waiting to take your call.​

IOW: the meaning they hold for 'reality', is based on belief.
(Which, I might add, should be recognised as a way humans can go about generating a meaning for that word .. after all, there's lots of objective evidence of that).

 

[AV1611VET]

IOW: the meaning they hold for 'reality', is based on belief.

That is correct.

And where one spends eternity is based on the object of that belief.

Is it Jesus Christ, or someone or something else?

 

[durangodawood]

Thanks for an honest answer.

Keep in mind that all these churches and holidays and whatnot aren't just people acting out their fantasies.

There really is Someone "out there" waiting to take your call.​

Oh for sure the devotees of the various religions are really there for something important and meaningful and real. I just cant tell exactly what the real thing is. An internal experience? An actual supernatural being?

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh for sure the devotees of the various religions are really there for something important and meaningful and real. I just cant tell exactly what the real thing is. An internal experience? An actual supernatural being?

Okie dokie.

I prayed for you that you would see the Light.

 

[Frank Robert]

Suppose a YEC thinks they're throwing the baby out with the bathwater, if they reject YEC as a creation myth?

The evidence from earth sciences points to a 4 billion year old earth. There is zero evidence for a 6-10 to thousand year old earth. I don't think that the creator deity wanted to confuse us.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't think that the creator deity wanted to confuse us.

I agree.

Thus He DETAILED what He did, when He did it, where He did it, how He did it, why He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were.

 

[Kylie]

I agree.

Thus He DETAILED what He did, when He did it, where He did it, how He did it, why He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were.

Sorry, last I heard, Christian tradition held that Moses, not God, wrote Genesis.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sorry, last I heard, Christian tradition held that Moses, not God, wrote Genesis.

Did you hear that in science class? history? comparative religion? philosophy?

I'm sure atheist school teaches that, but in which of its classes?

 

[Kylie]

Did you hear that in science class? history? comparative religion? philosophy?

I'm sure atheist school teaches that, but in which of its classes?

I was told that by Christians. https://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c021.html

 

[AV1611VET]

I was told that by Christians. https://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c021.html

In case you're interested, Moses edited the book of Genesis;* he didn't write it.

* Under purview of the Holy Ghost, of course.

 

[Kylie]

In case you're interested, Moses edited the book of Genesis;* he didn't write it.

* Under purview of the Holy Ghost, of course.

And what part of the Bible says this, hmm?

 

[AV1611VET]

And what part of the Bible says this, hmm?

Would it matter if it did or not?

(That's a serious question. Would it matter if that was an expressed truth in plain text? or if it was an implied truth by comparing spiritual things with spiritual?)

After all, you said the last you heard, Christian tradition held that Moses, not God, wrote Genesis.

And apparently you accepted that as being correct.

Now it looks like you want me to do the same, and I'm not going to.

Instead, I'm going to use the Tablet Theory to disagree with some offbeat Christian tradition.

(And if you want to continue to press the issue, let's just say God wrote it and be done with it.)

 

[Kylie]

Would it matter if it did or not?

(That's a serious question. Would it matter if that was an expressed truth in plain text? or if it was an implied truth by comparing spiritual things with spiritual?)

Your so-called Boolean standards would seem to demand it.

After all, you said the last you heard, Christian tradition held that Moses, not God, wrote Genesis.

And apparently you accepted that as being correct.

I accept that the Christian tradition is that Moses wrote the first books of the Bible. Because that's what many Christians (including my husband) have told me.

Now it looks like you want me to do the same, and I'm not going to.

Instead, I'm going to use the Tablet Theory to disagree with some offbeat Christian tradition.

Poisoning the well. You're using language meant to put down a position you disagree with in order to make that position seem less plausible. Specifically, you are saying that "Moses wrote the first books of the Bible" as some "offbeat Christian tradition."

(And if you want to continue to press the issue, let's just say God wrote it and be done with it.)

You can say that if you want to.

And then I'll ask how you know.