What is wrong with Calvinism ?

[Clare73]

It’s historical facts in Christianity. Calvinists are revisionists . I know I was one once upon a time for 4 decades . I listened to what Calvinists said and taught , not what history actually declared . Calvinists spin things , twist things and change the meaning of simple things like world, all men , everyone , all inhabitants of the world , all the world etc….. to mean the elect . It’s brainwashing .

Depends on who your "Calvinists" were. . .some are in name only. . .seems you got a bad batch of it... and you bought it.

 

[Clare73]

"Pelagius himself said, “I anathematize the man who either thinks or says that the grace of God, whereby ‘Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners,’ is not necessary not only for ever hour and for every moment, but also for every act of our lives: and those who endeavor to dis-annul it deserve everlasting punishment.”[31]"

Pelagius has been falsely judged by his critics​

Which is not an effective denial of the logically necessary implications of his doctrine, only a refusal to acknowledge them, which is not a demonstration refuting them, just an undemonstrated assertion.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Depends on who your "Calvinists" were. . .some are in name only. . .seems you got a bad batch of it... and you bought it.

No it’s from pastors all the way down to parishioners. Next fallacy . You are actually proving my points lol.

 

[Clare73]

I also made him the Calvinist boogie man when I was blinded by those doctrines .
I’m so glad Jesus delivered me out of that religious system .

Me too!. . .because it was a load of bunk!. . .not according to Calvin's writings.

 

[Clare73]

No that’s the Calvinists caricature of the man .

No. . .that is the logically necessary consequences of his doctrine. . .which evidently you are unable to see.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Me too!. . .because it was a load of bunk!. . .not according to Calvin's writings.

Calvin like Augustine is the real heretic , not Pelagius . The rigged Roman court of orange made him their scapegoat.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

No. . .that is the logically necessary consequences of his doctrine. . .which evidently you are unable to see.

I’m no longer blinded by Calvinism , the stronghold has been removed .

 

[zoidar]

Which is not an effective denial of the logically necessary implications of his doctrine, only a refusal to acknowledge them, which is not a demonstration refuting them, just an undemonstrated assertion.

I hardly know what Pelagius taught. I have just read what people say. But it's not that important anyway. Much more important is what the Early Church Fathers taught about free will. Was it in line with Calvin or more in line with Arminius?

 

[Clare73]

I think that is the same thing "seeing" the kingdom of God and "being" in the kingdom of God.

Previously addressed. . .

However, they are not the same according to the meaning of the language. . .

"seeing" (being acquainted with) and "being in" do not mean the same thing.

 

[Clare73]

Fallacious . Quote Pelagius writings .

Ditto. . .

 

[Clare73]

Post #2574 Please explain what the scriptures I presented mean to you.

I see no Scriptures there. . .what am I missing?

 

[zoidar]

Previously addressed. . .

However, they are not the same according to the meaning of the language. . .

"seeing" (being acquainted with) and "being in" do not mean the same thing.

Well, it depends of how the Bible uses the language.

Can I really be acquainted with a car without entering it and driving it?

 

[Clare73]

Calvin like Augustine is the real heretic , not Pelagius . The rigged Roman court of orange made him their scapegoat.

So you believe Pelagius' philosophical free will for fallen man. . .that he is able to make all moral choices, contrary to 1 Corinthians 2:14; Romans 8:7-8?

Would you care to address these two Scriptures, being true to their words and their context, as well as NT teaching?

 

[Clare73]

I’m no longer blinded by Calvinism , the stronghold has been removed .

Good for you!

 

[Clare73]

I hardly know what Pelagius taught. I have just read what people say. But it's not that important anyway. Much more important is what the Early Church Fathers taught about free will. Was it in line with Calvin or more in line with Arminius?

I'm not in a position to say, because it matters not to me, what matters to me is what the Scriptures present.

 

[Clare73]

Well, it depends of how the Bible uses the language.

Who made that rule?

The meaning of the Bible depends on the meaning of the language.

Can I really be acquainted with a car without entering it and driving it?

Which is precisely why Jesus says you cannot see (be acquainted with) the kingdom of God unless you are first born again.

And faith and repentance, as well as all spiritual matters relating to God, are of the kingdom of God, thereby putting them out of man's sight and reach until he is born again.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

I'm not in a position to say, because it matters not to me, what matters to me is what the Scriptures present.

Where is bondage of the will in the Bible ?

Jesus taught us any man is WILLING let him come and follow Me. Jesus appealed to man’s will and the God given right to choose this day whom you will serve and obey . Free will is assumed is scripture. God made man in His image and free to choose, free to love , free to obey .

Is God free ?
Does God choose ?
Does God have a will ?

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

@Clare73 where in Genesis after the fall did mans “ nature “ change ?

Got Scripture?

It’s just another Calvinist fallacy

 

[Clare73]

Where is bondage of the will in the Bible ?

It's in the chapter after the "sovereignty" of God, and before the "Trinity," somewhere in the area of
"two natures in one person."

Oh, yeah. . .and it is also in Romans 8:7-8; 1 Corinthians 2:14.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

So much for the false doctrines on the human will choice of man .

oh ya and where is this assumed nature change after the fall, got scripture? Why did God not mention it , why was Cain able to talk with God ?

so much for the fallen nature idea eh that cannot communicate or respond to God.

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