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Is rejecting any, several, or all of the "five solas" a salvation deal breaker?

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A set of short slogans arose in the 16th century as expressive of the heart of the religion presented by Martin Luther and others who have come to be called Protestants. "The five solas" is what they are sometimes called today. They are:
  1. Sola Scriptura (“Scripture alone”): The Bible alone is our highest authority.
  2. Sola Fide (“faith alone”): We are saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ.
  3. Sola Gratia (“grace alone”): We are saved by the grace of God alone.
  4. Solus Christus (“Christ alone”): Jesus Christ alone is our Lord, Savior, and King.
  5. Soli Deo Gloria (“to the glory of God alone”): We live for the glory of God alone.
For those reading this thread the question is - Can a Christian reject one, two, or more of these solas and remain a faithful Christian in your opinion?
 
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3 and 2 are at odds with each other. For if it's only by God's grace we are saved, then it's not of faith, because His grace extends to all people so thus, all would be saved. I'd say I don't agree with 3, or rather 2 & 3 should be together, as Paul put them, "For by grace you are saved through faith."

I hold the scriptures in the highest regard, but I don't believe they are the only source of authority. A foundation that my faith is built upon sure, but I think there are other ways and means by which God reveals Himself and speaks to us. This is not to discredit scriptures, I believe any revelation of God should be checked against the written word, but it's a slippery slope to say "only scriptures" because what source of scriptures are we speaking about?

Just the 66 books Protestants hold to? The Apocrypha that others do as well? What about other written sources like a Liturgy?

What manuscript is the only source? The Textus Receptus? The Majority Text? The Critical Text?

Those who hold to the KJV only, what revision of the KJV is the only Bible, for the KJV has had several revisions since it's first publication in 1611.

Again that's a slippery slope.
 
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A set of short slogans arose in the 16th century as expressive of the heart of the religion presented by Martin Luther and others who have come to be called Protestants. "The five solas" is what they are sometimes called today. They are:
  1. Sola Scriptura (“Scripture alone”): The Bible alone is our highest authority.
  2. Sola Fide (“faith alone”): We are saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ.
  3. Sola Gratia (“grace alone”): We are saved by the grace of God alone.
  4. Solus Christus (“Christ alone”): Jesus Christ alone is our Lord, Savior, and King.
  5. Soli Deo Gloria (“to the glory of God alone”): We live for the glory of God alone.
For those reading this thread the question is - Can a Christian reject one, two, or more of these solas and remain a faithful Christian in your opinion?
I would say that the 4th sola is the closest to be a salvation deal breaker.
 
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For those reading this thread the question is - Can a Christian reject one, two, or more of these solas and remain a faithful Christian in your opinion?

Yes. We are saved by the work of Christ, not by our theological accuracy.

(Note that I would say the same thing if you listed five points that are more friendly to Catholic or Orthodox Christianity. It's not about the solas. If we are saved by the perfection of our knowledge about God, we are all doomed.)
 
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Can a Christian reject one, two, or more of these solas and remain a faithful Christian in your opinion?

It would depend on how one worded ones belief in Jesus and his death and resurerection.
If the solas are rejected what replaces them?
 
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A set of short slogans arose in the 16th century as expressive of the heart of the religion presented by Martin Luther and others who have come to be called Protestants. "The five solas" is what they are sometimes called today. They are:
  1. Sola Scriptura (“Scripture alone”): The Bible alone is our highest authority.
  2. Sola Fide (“faith alone”): We are saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ.
  3. Sola Gratia (“grace alone”): We are saved by the grace of God alone.
  4. Solus Christus (“Christ alone”): Jesus Christ alone is our Lord, Savior, and King.
  5. Soli Deo Gloria (“to the glory of God alone”): We live for the glory of God alone.
For those reading this thread the question is - Can a Christian reject one, two, or more of these solas and remain a faithful Christian in your opinion?

For Lutherans the chief Sola is Christ Alone, and from this is Grace Alone and Faith Alone. That the once-and-perfect work of Christ is given as gift (Grace) and is received by faith. "Faith Alone" does not mean "saved by believing the right things" but instead means that the merit and treasure of Christ is received by faith alone--faith alone apprehends the gift of God. Since human action and activity--including the power of the sinful human will--cannot take hold of it, it can only be grasped with faith, which is the gift and power of God (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Sola Scriptura, or perhaps more accurately Solum Verbum Dei, "Word of God Alone", is not a doctrine that we can only trust Scripture, or that the Bible by itself is the only authority of Christian faith and practice. Rather it serves as call to always be Ad Fontes, at the source: Jesus Christ who gives Himself to us in Word and Sacrament, and that the Scriptures are truly the cradle that holds Christ and proclaims Christ. Sola Scriptura or Solum Verbum are intended to keep our gaze upon Christ and Christ Alone; as opposed to looking toward our own ways, our own ideas, our own desires, and our own efforts to be righteous and therefore fall into the trap of preaching a system of human effort and merit. Lutherans speak of the Norma Normans and the Norma Normata; there is the Unruled Rule (Scripture Alone) and there is the Ruled Rule (the Creeds, the Confessions, the historic and faithfulness teaching and witness of the Church that is ruled by and sustained by Scripture).

Soli Deo Gloria is, arguably, more of a Reformed thing. Not that Lutherans would disagree per se, but that's just not really the point. The point isn't glory, the point is always Jesus. If Soli Deo Gloria means that we recognize that all we have is from God alone, by His grace, on Christ's account then this is perfectly true and right. Though, as a Lutheran, I get quite uncomfortable when the focus is moved away from Christ and toward "The Glory of God" as an abstract concept. And this is because the Lutheran and Reformed traditions, while sharing some common ground, fundamentally operate from very different material perspectives. The material principle of the Reformed tradition is the glory and sovereignty of God over all; but for Lutherans the material principle is that God graciously justifies sinners by His grace which is in Jesus Christ for us sinners.

Which is to say, "The Five Solas" are, generally, a more Reformed concept than a Lutheran one. Though we do share these Solas with them, thought not always understood the same way.

Christ Alone.
Grace Alone.
Faith Alone.
Word Alone.

Would be a more accurate Lutheran list of the Solas.

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A set of short slogans arose in the 16th century as expressive of the heart of the religion presented by Martin Luther and others who have come to be called Protestants. "The five solas" is what they are sometimes called today. They are:
  1. Sola Scriptura (“Scripture alone”): The Bible alone is our highest authority.
  2. Sola Fide (“faith alone”): We are saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ.
  3. Sola Gratia (“grace alone”): We are saved by the grace of God alone.
  4. Solus Christus (“Christ alone”): Jesus Christ alone is our Lord, Savior, and King.
  5. Soli Deo Gloria (“to the glory of God alone”): We live for the glory of God alone.
For those reading this thread the question is - Can a Christian reject one, two, or more of these solas and remain a faithful Christian in your opinion?

yes.

For example "Christ alone" -- one may say "God alone" instead and refer to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - rather than just the Son.

Another example -- James 2.
24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Which is the only place where the phrase "by faith alone" is found in scripture.

Man made formulas are not always 100% accurate.
 
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yes.

For example "Christ alone" -- one may say "God alone" instead and refer to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - rather than just the Son.

Another example -- James 2.
24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Which is the only place where the phrase "by faith alone" is found in scripture.

Man made formulas are not always 100% accurate.
Are any of the five solas acceptable?
 
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3 and 2 are at odds with each other. For if it's only by God's grace we are saved, then it's not of faith, because His grace extends to all people so thus, all would be saved. I'd say I don't agree with 3, or rather 2 & 3 should be together, as Paul put them, "For by grace you are saved through faith."

I hold the scriptures in the highest regard, but I don't believe they are the only source of authority. A foundation that my faith is built upon sure, but I think there are other ways and means by which God reveals Himself and speaks to us. This is not to discredit scriptures, I believe any revelation of God should be checked against the written word, but it's a slippery slope to say "only scriptures" because what source of scriptures are we speaking about?

Just the 66 books Protestants hold to? The Apocrypha that others do as well? What about other written sources like a Liturgy?

What manuscript is the only source? The Textus Receptus? The Majority Text? The Critical Text?

Those who hold to the KJV only, what revision of the KJV is the only Bible, for the KJV has had several revisions since it's first publication in 1611.

Again that's a slippery slope.

As understood by the Reformers Sola Fide does not mean we are "saved by faith alone", in the same sense that we are saved by grace alone. Which is why the teaching of the Reformation is "by grace alone through faith alone". Grace is causal, it is out of God's generous love for us that He chooses to save us; faith is receptive, faith is what receives or apprehends (passively) the work and gifts of God, i.e. salvation. That faith passively receives is essential to the whole point here, to this end they said that faith is extra nos, "from outside ourselves", to emphasize strongly St. Paul's point in Ephesians 2:8, that faith is not of ourselves, but is the gift of God. Faith is given and created by the very Gospel, as we read in Romans 10:17. This is also why it is Christ alone, the work is already done and accomplished, the verdict of righteous has already been declared from Mt. Calvary to one and to all (Romans 5:18), and the word goes forth through the Church which by the sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit brings this Gospel to this whole world of sinners, by which God gives and creates faith which receives and apprehends the full and entire work of Christ, the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ. Thus we are justified by faith. It is through faith that we have taken hold of God's promise and declaration of our righteousness before Him on Christ's account alone. Anything other than this isn't Sola Fide.

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As understood by the Reformers Sola Fide does not mean we are "saved by faith alone", in the same sense that we are saved by grace alone. Which is why the teaching of the Reformation is "by grace alone through faith alone". Grace is causal, it is out of God's generous love for us that He chooses to save us; faith is receptive, faith is what receives or apprehends (passively) the work and gifts of God, i.e. salvation. That faith passively receives is essential to the whole point here, to this end they said that faith is extra nos, "from outside ourselves", to emphasize strongly St. Paul's point in Ephesians 2:8, that faith is not of ourselves, but is the gift of God. Faith is given and created by the very Gospel, as we read in Romans 10:17. This is also why it is Christ alone, the work is already done and accomplished, the verdict of righteous has already been declared from Mt. Calvary to one and to all (Romans 5:18), and the word goes forth through the Church which by the sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit brings this Gospel to this whole world of sinners, by which God gives and creates faith which receives and apprehends the full and entire work of Christ, the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ. Thus we are justified by faith. It is through faith that we have taken hold of God's promise and declaration of our righteousness before Him on Christ's account alone. Anything other than this isn't Sola Fide.

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Interesting, it still kinda sounds like grace and faith should go together though, but perhaps I’m just misunderstanding the two.
 
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A set of short slogans arose in the 16th century as expressive of the heart of the religion presented by Martin Luther and others who have come to be called Protestants. "The five solas" is what they are sometimes called today. They are:
  1. Sola Scriptura (“Scripture alone”): The Bible alone is our highest authority.
  2. Sola Fide (“faith alone”): We are saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ.
  3. Sola Gratia (“grace alone”): We are saved by the grace of God alone.
  4. Solus Christus (“Christ alone”): Jesus Christ alone is our Lord, Savior, and King.
  5. Soli Deo Gloria (“to the glory of God alone”): We live for the glory of God alone.
For those reading this thread the question is - Can a Christian reject one, two, or more of these solas and remain a faithful Christian in your opinion?
I am Catholic so I have no problem rejecting some of them, specifically Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura. That does not affect my salvation.
 
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Interesting, it still kinda sounds like grace and faith should go together though, but perhaps I’m just misunderstanding the two.

Faith receives what grace gives. Like a beggar with empty hands into which a great treasure is placed. Grace is God giving the great treasure, faith is the empty hand into which it is placed. Without faith, the gift is rejected and ignored.

Christ died for you, which means that two thousand years ago Jesus took your sin, nailed it to His cross, and made perfect satisfaction on your behalf. Because Jesus did that, God says that you are righteous. But without faith, that gift remains unknown and un-received. God, giving faith, means that the balled up fist of resentment toward God is opened up, and into which God gives this treasure and it is now in your possession. A prisoner who hears the court-agent who says "You are forgiven and now free to go" but who insists that he is still a prisoner is a person without faith, they insist on remaining in the prison cell even though the key unlocks the cell door. Faith hears this good news, and receives it--they are no longer prisoners, but free.

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Agreed, I would argue that's saying the same thing in different words.

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I am thinking about graces given by God; some say they are talents. Some say they are dispositions and others say they are vocations in life. But they are graces given by God to people that enrich them and those with whom they share their gifts.
 
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I am thinking about graces given by God; some say they are talents. Some say they are dispositions and others say they are vocations in life. But they are graces given by God to people that enrich them and those with whom they share their gifts.

I would argue that the way Lutheranism uses grace is much closer to the Eastern/Palamist view than the Western/Barlaamist one. Grace isn't a created substance, but is God Himself in His works. It is God coming down to meet us that rescues us, the Incarnation, the preaching of the Gospel, the Sacraments, etc. To that end, what you describe as graces I would describe as gifts or charisms. The gifts are from God in His grace, His loving generosity and kindness in which He acts to accomplish His good.

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