Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath?

[sparow]

This begs the question, Was this re-write based up what Paul says in Galatians 1:11-12 or did he hi-jack Christianity?

Galatians 1:11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.​

The OT was written to the Jews. Jesus's teachings to His apostles extend into Acts and the Epistles. Acts and the Epistles were written to Christians and thus are more authoritative than the OT.This statement assumes that most of the OT practices continue under the New Covenant. If that assumption is false, which is my view based upon my reading of Acts and the Epistles, then no repentance on Peter's part is necessary for living as a Gentile. Why would God command Peter to eat unclean animals in Acts 10 if He wanted to perpetuate Jewish dietary laws in the NT?

I notice you are a Charismatic, this presents a communication problem; I do not use religious jargon, at least not to the degree dispensationalists do; I believe Futurism is a false doctrine.

I have always called myself a Christian; by that I mean I follow Jesus, I keep His commandments and I expect His imminent return to set up His kingdom. I expect that the words “Christian and commandment”, mean something different to me than what they mean to you. I suggest Paul created what is commonly called Christianity, but not Paul the Person but Paul the epistles which are most likely edited.

First there was the Law of God that judged Cain and Nineveh, later came the blood covenant which was a contract where Israel was to do things and in return God would do things; mostly they did things together; Israel was to keep the Law as their part, God provides the kingdom and the king; there is much fine detail which I wont go into now, such as Israel the house that God built ,was the mother of the king.

There was the law/covenant according to Moses that produced the mother of Jesus, the woman mentioned in Revelation 12; this probably refers to both type and anti-type; the first and second coming although I think these two are one.

Then came the Law/covenant according to Jesus where no change is made to the covenant only renewed for the lost sheep who missed out the first time and of course new administration.

If Jesus did not abrogate the Law who did? The change is implemented first in Paul's epistles.

The OT (The Law and the Prophets) was written for Israel and their descendants; the Gospels are an account of the covenant being completed, fulfilled or confirmed, in part, fully completed when the prophesies in Revelation are completed.

The Koran was written after acts and the epistles, in which is claimed to be based on the Law of God and claims Jesus is the messiah, does the Koran have more authority that the OT, of course not and for the same reason.

Right, my position is all OT practices continue in some form, under new administration. Jesus is the Sanctuary, and baptism is a sanctuary service; The priests baptised their hands each time they entered the Sanctuary, we wash the sin off our whole body ideally once; Jesus as the daily sacrifice was/is sacrificed once but still in accordance with the same Law.

It is unlikely that Peter lived like a Gentile, if he did he would need to repent; my point was a Israelite only has to repent, in accordance with the Gospel Jesus preached, “repent, the kingdom of God is at hand”, a gentile on the other hand has to change such that he is no longer a stranger in Israel.

 

[sparow]

No he didn’t. Peter said that Paul was hard to understand and that the unlearned twist what he shared to their own destruction.
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

And just so you are clear. The Gospels are a retelling of what Jesus did and said through the Holy Spirit. This holds true for the whole Bible. Which includes the letters penned throughout the rest of the NT and old

The point that I intended to make was that where gentiles are required to convert Israelites are only required to repent; are you suggesting Perter never sinned, never repented, was never baptized.

Just because Peter wrote one thing on one day does not mean he did not overcome the great deception sometime later.

 

[JLB777]

Brother, no! God's law is not "hostile" to the Gentiles

The law of Christ, is for all people of the Church.


The law of Moses was given to the children of Israel who were called to dwell in the promised land of Israel, until the Seed should should come.


The law of Moses was indeed what separated Jew from Gentile. The law of Moses initiated physical circumcision, animal sacrifices, food laws, feast days, Sabbath laws, as well as ceremonial washings and requirements to travel to Jerusalem for special feasts.


The law of Moses was always temporary until the Messiah came.


Now we are under the law of Christ, in which His laws and commandments are written upon our heart.






JLB

 

[HIM]

The point that I intended to make was that where gentiles are required to convert Israelites are only required to repent; are you suggesting Perter never sinned, never repented, was never baptized.

Just because Peter wrote one thing on one day does not mean he did not overcome the great deception sometime later.

What deception

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The law of Christ, is for all people of the Church.


The law of Moses was given to the children of Israel who were called to dwell in the promised land of Israel, until the Seed should should come.


The law of Moses was indeed what separated Jew from Gentile. The law of Moses initiated physical circumcision, animal sacrifices, food laws, feast days, Sabbath laws, as well as ceremonial washings and requirements to travel to Jerusalem for special feasts.


The law of Moses was always temporary until the Messiah came.


Now we are under the law of Christ, in which His laws and commandments are written upon our heart.






JLB

Where is the scripture that says the Ten Commandments ended with Jesus at the cross and that we are free to murder, covet, steal, worship other god’s etc or break any of God’s law. I noticed you did not provide any scripture that shows we no longer have to keep the Ten Commandments, which I would think would be important if you are going to be teaching we are free to break God’s law. Jesus told us to keep the commandments quoting often directly from the Ten Matthew 5:19-30, Matthew 19:17-19, Matthew 15:3-9, Mark 7:6-8 Jesus as our example kept His Fathers commandments and told us to as well. John 15:10, I think we should follow Jesus.

 

[guevaraj]

The law of Moses was indeed what separated Jew from Gentile.

Brother, it is clearly the human laws of the Judaism that achieved this hostility and separation, abandoned after Jesus by His church. Not everything Paul says is for "infants in Christ". He addresses "spiritual people" in ways that are difficult for "infants in Christ" to understand.

Dear brothers and sisters, when I was with you I couldn’t talk to you as I would to spiritual people. I had to talk as though you belonged to this world or as though you were infants in Christ. I had to feed you with milk, not with solid food, because you weren’t ready for anything stronger. And you still aren’t ready, for you are still controlled by your sinful nature. You are jealous of one another and quarrel with each other. Doesn’t that prove you are controlled by your sinful nature? Aren’t you living like people of the world? When one of you says, “I am a follower of Paul,” and another says, “I follow Apollos,” aren’t you acting just like people of the world? (1 Corinthians 3:1-4 NLT)​

Paul assumes that the listener knows what he has said elsewhere and uses summary words like "the law" where he has already expanded on that word elsewhere. I will add what he summarized as "the Law", because he assumed that the listener was a "spiritual person" and not an "infant in Christ".

But when you are directed by the Spirit, you are not under the law [of Judaism]. (Galatians 5:18 NLT fixed)​

The "spiritual person" listening knows that Paul left out the phrase "of Judaism" above because he already said it below so that it would be understood without Paul needing to constantly repeat himself when speaking of "the law", as if he were only speaking to "infants in Christ".

When I am with the Gentiles who do not follow the Jewish law, I too live apart from that law so I can bring them to Christ. But I do not ignore the law of God; I obey the law of Christ. (1 Corinthians 9:21 NLT)​

When Paul speaks of "the law", unqualified, he is referring to the whole law of Judaism, including the human added laws of Judaism.

I’ll say it again. If you are trying to find favor with God by being circumcised, you must obey every regulation in the whole law. (Galatians 5:3 NLT fixed)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[John Mullally]

I have always called myself a Christian; by that I mean I follow Jesus, I keep His commandments and I expect His imminent return to set up His kingdom. I expect that the words “Christian and commandment”, mean something different to me than what they mean to you. I suggest Paul created what is commonly called Christianity, but not Paul the Person but Paul the epistles which are most likely edited.

Your rejection of the Pauline epistles puts us at an impasse.

 

[HIM]

The point that I intended to make was that where gentiles are required to convert Israelites are only required to repent; are you suggesting Perter never sinned, never repented, was never baptized.

Just because Peter wrote one thing on one day does not mean he did not overcome the great deception sometime later.

How convenient for you.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[HIM]

Where is the scripture that says the Ten Commandments ended with Jesus at the cross and that we are free to murder, covet, steal, worship other god’s etc or break any of God’s law. I noticed you did not provide any scripture that shows we no longer have to keep the Ten Commandments, which I would think would be important if you are going to be teaching we are free to break God’s law. Jesus told us to keep the commandments quoting often directly from the Ten Matthew 5:19-30, Matthew 19:17-19, Matthew 15:3-9, Mark 7:6-8 Jesus as our example kept His Fathers commandments and told us to as well. John 15:10, I think we should follow Jesus.

What confuses most is the limiting to 10.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What confuses most is the limiting to 10.

While I was speaking about the Ten, I have never stated we are to only keep just the Ten Commandments, perhaps you misunderstood? While there are more laws than just the Ten, I think God intentionally made the Ten stand on a higher foundation hence why only the Ten were written personally by the finger of God, why only the Ten is inside the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God's Temple and we will be judged by the Ten. James 2:10-12. I think most of the other commandments have an umbrella somewhere under the Ten, it is God's perfect law. Psalm 19:7. Paul summed it up-what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 which of course include the Ten Commandments.

 

[HIM]

While I was speaking about the Ten, I have never stated we are to only keep just the Ten Commandments, perhaps you misunderstood? While there are more laws than just the Ten, I think God intentionally made the Ten stand on a higher foundation hence why only the Ten were written personally by the finger of God, why only the Ten is inside the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God's Temple and we will be judged by the Ten. James 2:10-12. I think most of the other commandments have an umbrella somewhere under the Ten, it is God's perfect law. Psalm 19:7. Paul summed it up-what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 which of course include the Ten Commandments.

Misunderstood? No but
Almost Everybody that is in opposition to you does. God says he will put His Law into our hearts and His Word. And He speaks of giving us His Spirit. But He never said just commandments. As a matter of fact In Deuteronomy 30:11-14 God goes as far as to to say that His Commandments, and statutes contained in the Book of the Law will be in our hearts and mouths that we may do it. And as was shared here before He speaks this as the New Covenant in Deut 29:1.
“These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.”

And don’t narrow James down to just the Ten. The context is much broader than that.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Misunderstood? No but
Almost Everybody that is in opposition to you does. God says he will put His Law into our hearts and His Word. And He speaks of giving us His Spirit. But He never said just commandments. As a matter of fact In Deuteronomy 30:11-14 God goes as far as to to say that His Commandments, and statutes contained in the Book of the Law will be in our hearts and mouths that we may do it. And as was shared here before He speaks this as the New Covenant in Deut 29:1.
“These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.”

And don’t narrow James down to just the Ten. The context is much broader than that.

Like I said, I never once said we only have to obey the Ten Commandments, but that is certainly "included" in the law God wrote in our hearts and minds, do you agree?

 

[HIM]

Like I said, I never once said there we only have to obey the Ten Commandments, but that is certainly "included" in the law God wrote in our hearts and minds, do you agree?

Yes mam.

 

[Bob S]

Like I said, I never once said we only have to obey the Ten Commandments, but that is certainly "included" in the law God wrote in our hearts and minds, do you agree?

I certainly do not agree. Christians are not obligated to observe ritual commands that were given only to Israel. The Sabbath command found in the ten commandments is a ritual command just like all the other Sabbath commands found in the Book of the Law.

Sabbath observers say they walk with Jesus and He kept the Sabbath. He kept all the Sabbaths. Why is it not all Sabbath observers keep all of the Sabbaths like Jesus did?

 

[Psalm 27]

I noticed that there is more detail on the sabbath commandment, than the others.

I believe that we can do good, but keep the sabbath, even though Jesus is Lord of it.

 

[HIM]

I certainly do not agree. Christians are not obligated to observe ritual commands that were given only to Israel. The Sabbath command found in the ten commandments is a ritual command just like all the other Sabbath commands found in the Book of the Law.

Sabbath observers say they walk with Jesus and He kept the Sabbath. He kept all the Sabbaths. Why is it not all Sabbath observers keep all of the Sabbaths like Jesus did?

Your words not God’s and certainly not scriptural

 

[guevaraj]

Sabbath observers say they walk with Jesus and He kept the Sabbath. He kept all the Sabbaths. Why is it not all Sabbath observers keep all of the Sabbaths like Jesus did?

I noticed that there is more detail on the sabbath commandment, than the others. I believe that we can do good, but keep the sabbath, even though Jesus is Lord of it.

Brothers, God is still working to correct Judaism's Sabbath tradition since Joshua in Hebrews 3 and 4. Once corrected, we will keep every Sabbath like Jesus. In the following passage, "another day" refers to a different day than the one thought for the Sabbath since Joshua: not the seventh day of the week everywhere, but the seventh day of the creation week remembered in the time zone of creation.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

God gave instructions to remember the Sabbath in Jerusalem at an earlier time, from evening to evening than the seventh day of the week from morning to morning, defined in Genesis and confirmed below.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[John Mullally]

Now to the point: Imagine that someone is filled with the Holy Spirit and led by the Holy Spirit 24/7. Let's call that person X. If X is expected to keep the Sabbath by commandment but he currently doesn't, logic tells us that the Holy Spirit would convict X of his sin, lead him to repentance and guide him to embrace Sabbath keeping (just like you would expect for any other sin).

So my question is: have you ever been explicitly led by the Holy Spirit to keep the Sabbath?

I did find a copy of this letter formulated by the early church fathers (like Peter, Paul, and James, the brother of Jesus) and distributed to early Gentile believers. Since it is addresses keeping Mosaic laws, it must also cover things like the Sabbath. Here is a translation of that letter in NKJV:

The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.

Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, amen who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual 1immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

Farewell.
​

The early church fathers are convinced that they are hearing from the Holy Spirit in this matter. They make few demands on the Gentile believers. Note that Gentiles do not grow up observing the Sabbath and there is no mention of it in the letter - if it was important, it would have been included.

Some may object in that the letter does not say Thou shalt not kill, steal, or lie either. The early church fathers were to the point in discussing contentious points of that day - they were not interested in hashing over matters that are understood by people with a good conscience.

 

[JLB777]

Where is the scripture that says the Ten Commandments ended with Jesus

I never said the Ten Commandments ended with Jesus.


I said the law of Moses was nailed to the cross with Jesus, and thereby abolished in His flesh.


Do you sacrifice animals for your sins?




JLB

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I never said the Ten Commandments ended with Jesus.


I said the law of Moses was nailed to the cross with Jesus, and thereby abolished in His flesh.


Do you sacrifice animals for your sins?




JLB

No I do not sacrifice animals for our sins because Jesus is our Perfect Sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins in the New Covenant and animals sacrifices ended, which made nothing perfect, but the blood of Christ is perfect for the forgiveness of sins when we repent and turn from sin. Hebrews 10, Colossians 2:14

I agree the Ten Commandments did not end which of course includes the 4th commandment all written by the finger of God. Exodus 20 Exodus 31:18, Exodus 34:28