Texas woman with ectopic pregnancy denied abortion

[Desk trauma]

I was seeking an explanation of what you meant.

Ok.

 

[NxNW]

But virtually all pro abortion advocates want it up till the moment of birth for whatever reason because "my body my choice" forgetting someone else's body.

Utterly false.

 

[ottawak]

But virtually all pro abortion advocates want it up till the moment of birth for whatever reason because "my body my choice" forgetting someone else's body.

You'll never get anywhere making up stuff about your opponents like that.

 

[ozso]

But virtually all pro abortion advocates want it up till the moment of birth for whatever reason because "my body my choice" forgetting someone else's body.

I remember that being the case when partial birth abortions made the headlines.

 

[ozso]

I guess we're both in agreement that you should learn your terminology and Cleveland Clinic should fix that passage.

An embryo becomes a fetus after 8 weeks. An ectopic pregnancy can go unnoticed for 16 weeks.

 

[ottawak]

I remember that being the case when partial birth abortions made the headlines.

Why do you suppose women have partial birth abortions?

I remember that being the case when partial birth abortions made the headlines.

it wasn't the case then, either.

 

[ozso]

Why do you suppose women have partial birth abortions?

IDK. You tell me.

it wasn't the case then, either.

It sure seemed to be from what I was hearing and reading.

For those who don't know, a partial birth abortion is where the baby is delivered up to where the head crowns, and then the child's skull is crushed. Which I remember being defended to the hilt by pro-abortionists.

 

[ottawak]

It sure seemed to be from what I was hearing and reading.

For those who don't know, a partial birth abortion is where the baby is delivered up to where the head crowns, and then the child's skull is crushed. Which I remember being defended to the hilt by pro-abortionists.

Because ugly as it is, and not without risk, sometimes it is an absolutely necessary medical procedure. It is a decision taken between the woman and her doctor. No woman wants to have a right-wing legislature looking over the doctor's shoulder while he is performing it.

 

[Jamdoc]

Can't transport people across state lines for illegal purposes... And if abortion is illegal in your state...

You asked; I delivered; you shifted the goalposts.

That's not the goal of the law in question which is to prevent human trafficking like pimping. It's actually to protect women from predators.

"Mostly" the states jurisdiction until the go the Texas route and make it a civil offense... Then the people anywhere can sue for a shot at $10K and a pat on the head...

Laws stop at the state lines... Greed doesn't.

I don't agree with the Texas law, I agree with some of the other laws making it criminal offenses at certain stages of development like Mississippi's 15 weeks (which is actually quite a compromise), or the so called "heartbeat laws", provided they have provisions for medical exceptions. Rape and incest can be covered in that first 8-15 weeks. A woman should not be waiting 15+ weeks after being raped to decide to abort, because now you really are playing with fire as to how developed the fetus is and whether they experience pain, which after 15 weeks? Is likely. You're injecting undue suffering on another human being, whether you believe in God or not at that point.

and as it is, that is still a SERIOUS compromise. I'd prefer not having elective abortions at all.
But heartbeat laws at least reduce the chance that there's any fetal suffering.

Well, that rules out most of the Rambo wannabes I see prancing around in their camo outfits...

actually it really doesn't. They have firearms, they have ammunition, they have supplies, and they know how to operate their firearms.. that qualifies as "well regulated" in the 18th century. The Founding Fathers weren't looking for a professional military. They were looking for minutemen. Farmers and "wannabe rambos" who had their own firearms and ammunition and were proficient in their use that they could marshal up for defending the nation without having to arm them from the government's coffers and train them when they might not have time.

 

[ozso]

Because ugly as it is, and not without risk, sometimes it is an absolutely necessary medical procedure. It is a decision taken between the woman and her doctor. No woman wants to have a right-wing legislature looking over the doctor's shoulder while he is performing it.

How often is sometimes? What's the ratio? Also it seems you're pretty much confirming what Jamdoc said by the defense you just gave.

Jamdoc said: ↑
But virtually all pro abortion advocates want it up till the moment of birth for whatever reason because "my body my choice" forgetting someone else's body.

ottawak said: ↑
You'll never get anywhere making up stuff about your opponents like that.

 

[Jamdoc]

Utterly false.

They kicked and screamed when partial birth abortions were banned and when third trimester abortions were banned.

 

[ozso]

They kicked and screamed when partial birth abortions were banned and when third trimester abortions were banned.

Yes they did.

 

[ximmix]

Name one person that wasn't a zygote.

Name one zygote that is a person.

 

[Jamdoc]

Name one zygote that is a person.

since when is it still called a zygote after 6 weeks and has a heartbeat?

It is sickening to me that the entire argument is founded on dehumanizing a human being in order to make it "okay" to kill.

 

[ozso]

since when is it still called a zygote after 6 weeks and has a heartbeat?

It is sickening to me that the entire argument is founded on dehumanizing a human being in order to make it "okay" to kill.

They'll go by any definition that steers away from ones like human being, person, child, baby.

 

[ximmix]

since when is it still called a zygote after 6 weeks and has a heartbeat?

It is sickening to me that the entire argument is founded on dehumanizing a human being in order to make it "okay" to kill.

So the zygote is a person?

 

[ozso]

So the zygote is a person?

Human being, person, individual, child, infant, baby etc. As opposed to thing, growth, mass etc.

 

[ximmix]

Human being, person, individual, child, infant, baby etc. As opposed to thing, growth, mass etc.

You seem to have some quite novel definitions of those words. Is it also an adult?

 

[ozso]

You seem to have some quite novel definitions of those words. Is it also an adult?

Non sequitur as I already listed child, infant, baby.

 

[ximmix]

Non sequitur as I already listed child, infant, baby.

How about toddler?