Texas woman with ectopic pregnancy denied abortion

[Hvizsgyak]

Perhaps a ministry of dedicated professional watchmen to ensure all rules are being followed to the T and punish wrong doers? After all, people need to be controlled for their own good.

Well after seeing the debacle of the 2020 elections, yah, people need to be watched. There are alot of people who to pull the shade over your eyes in this country.

 

[ozso]

If you're going to attempt to discuss these matters, you should really learn basic biology and understand that it's not a fetus.

You'll need to contact the Cleveland Clinic about that and set them straight.

"Unfortunately, an ectopic pregnancy is fatal for the fetus. It cannot survive outside of the uterus. Quick treatment for an ectopic pregnancy is important to protect the mother's life. If the egg has implanted in the fallopian tube and the tube bursts, there can be severe internal bleeding."

Ectopic Pregnancy: Symptoms, Causes, Treatments & Tests.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

You seem to be under the impression that doctors falsify records willy-nilly.

I live in Florida; did you ever hear of how our opioid problem began.

 

[Yttrium]

If you have kids, you can count them. If you take a census, you can count them. If you give birth, you can count the number of births. If there is a death, you can count the number of deaths, and each one has a death certificate. If you can think of an exception then let us know. Mass events like 9/11 may not have the exact number determined due to a lack of data, but each death was distinct. But at the moment of fertilization you can look as close as you want, and have no idea if it will result in one, two, three, or four births. Most likely it will be zero, as I mentioned.

If it later splits, was it one life or two before the split? If one, you're admitting that life can begin much later. If two, you're claiming that there are two human beings occupying a single cell at fertilization, which is absurd.

We've been through all this, and it's still a bogus argument. And I'm still waiting for you to produce the source of your definition.

 

[ottawak]

Let's hear your suggestions; maybe I'll find some I like.

Not obsess over other people's sex lives?

 

[ottawak]

I'm addressing the situation as it currently stands. And you added a bunch of rotten conclusions to it. At this point I don't have anything more I want to say to you.

I understand; I hope for all our sakes you are right.

 

[ozso]

I understand; I hope for all our sakes you are right.

Right about what? Apparently you're still seeing conclusions and or predictions that I am not making. What is your definition of at the moment, right here and now, as it currently stands?

 

[Belk]

Well after seeing the debacle of the 2020 elections, yah, people need to be watched. There are alot of people who to pull the shade over your eyes in this country.

We need to ensure people are following the one true and proper path. Freedom is only for those who have already come into possession of Truth.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

Not obsess over other people's sex lives?

And we wouldn't if the people would be more responsible for their actions and not look to bad solutions (abortion) to handle unwanted pregnancies. The word here is responsible and it is lacking very much in our society today.

 

[jayem]

Not to get too far off-topic. But just to be informative, there's also the condition known as heterotopic pregnancy. It occurs in multiple pregnancy-usually twinning. One embryo implants normally in the uterus. While the other implants ectopically--usually in the Fallopian tube. Diagnosis can be difficult. Treatment is by laparoscopic removal of the tubal pregnancy. It's quite rare, but as noted in the article, it may occur more often when pregnancy is assisted by IVF and other such techniques.

Heterotopic pregnancy: A diagnosis we should suspect more often

 

[ottawak]

Apparently you're still seeing conclusions and or predictions that I am not making. What is your definition of at the moment, right here and now, as it currently stands?

A woman with an eptopic pregnancy was turned away from treatment because of doubt about the legal ramifications of the law. This is all new legal territory and your position, as I understand it, is that she was wrongfully turned away because the law does not apply to ectopic pregnancies. I expect that you are techically correct, but we have not yet seen how an actual case would be handled in civil court. If it was a criminal matter, the doctor might have been able to make a case for terminating the pregnancy using the legal argument you suggested, and it might work in civil court as well, but civil courts have no presumption of innocence and much looser standards of legal procedure. We'll just have to wait and see. But what I particularly disliked about your presentation was the assumption that anyone who raises doubts about the safety of the woman under Texas law can only be intending to use it as an example to try and undermine abortion restrictions altogether.

 

[ottawak]

And we wouldn't if the people would be more responsible for their actions and not look to bad solutions (abortion) to handle unwanted pregnancies. The word here is responsible and it is lacking very much in our society today.

No, that's the "She shudda kepper legs closed" argument and it is morally bankrupt. Moreover, it is offensive to many who oppose abortion and doesn't help make your case.

 

[ozso]

And we wouldn't if the people would be more responsible for their actions and not look to bad solutions (abortion) to handle unwanted pregnancies. The word here is responsible and it is lacking very much in our society today.

I agree completely. It's the lion's share of the problem.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Relax, that will never happen. Americans are allowed to travel anywhere in the US at anytime and for any reason.

Idaho had a bill in their state legislature that was going to prohibit people from leaving the state to get gender affirming care for their transgender child. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/idaho-trans-health-care-youth-bill-rcna19287
This isn’t as far away as you would like to try to convince people of.

 

[ozso]

No, that's the "She shudda kepper legs closed" argument and it is morally bankrupt. Moreover, it is offensive to many who oppose abortion and doesn't help make your case.

More like should have taken better precautions.

And are you against people being more responsible? Do you think that since people have become increasingly less respocible and accountable, conditions in the fabric of society have gotten better or worse? Is it better to just facilitate irresponsibly and a lack of accountability and integrity?

It's funny to me that if someone gets Covid the response is that it's that person's fault for not taking better precautions. Not attending super spreaders. Not wearing a mask. Not getting vaccinated.

Yet, suggest that many/most unwanted pregnancies are the result of not taking proper precautions, that's outrageous and morally bankrupt etc.

 

[ozso]

They dont do that in most abortions, either.

What do they do then?

Of course. Lets pretend the thing mentioned in the OP never happened. Its easier that way.

Lets put words in people's mouths, it's easier that way.

 

[ozso]

Here's the bottom line in my opinion. Abortion laws save far more lives than cause deaths.

 

[ozso]

You may wish to rephrase that. People might think you view women dying because of the abortion ban as "acceptable losses".

Unless that is really your view?

I'm saying that hundreds of thousands of lives being put to an end via abortion is an unacceptable loss.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Do these statistics justify denying a woman a procedure to save her life?

Well seeing that the majority of abortions are not performed due to complications such as this I would say yes. Would you kill 600,000 innocent people to save a minute percentage of that many people? That’s basically what your asking here.

 

[Yttrium]

Here's the bottom line in my opinion. Abortion laws save far more lives than cause deaths.

Well, this is technically true. You're not wrong about that.

It's the nature of the life that one must take into consideration.