The tip of the ice berg

[AV1611VET]

Well recorded history only goes back 5,000 years so there is that

All documents, except for what was taken aboard the Ark, would have been destroyed by the Flood.

 

[AV1611VET]

While the oldest written history may only be about 6,000 years old, there is a lot of older painting, symbols and signs of communication going back a lot further.

Because someone drew/etched pictures on rocks dated "a lot further"?

Have you seen my canoe challenge thread?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

All documents, except for what was taken aboard the Ark, would have been destroyed by the Flood.

Floods destroy carvings?

 

[AV1611VET]

Closer to 64,000 years

 

[ottawak]

I don't like being labeled a Creationist because that seems to imply YEC. People don't like being called Evolutionists because they say it is not a religious belief. Of course what you believe about creation has nothing to do with salvation and people are free to believe what they want. But if I don't believe everything about evolution people can't seem to accept that.

We're beginning to. You show genuine interest in learning about the theory of evolution and haven't shown the usual hostility. Welcome to the forum.

 

[AV1611VET]

Floods destroy carvings?

The one I'm talking about would have.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Because someone drew/etched pictures on rocks dated "a lot further"?

No, someone drew pictures on rocks and the paint was dated.

Have you seen my canoe challenge thread?

The one where several people demonstrated that you rely on semantics to try to make a point?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

The one I'm talking about would have.

So it would destroy carvings but not a wooden boat? Sounds plausible

 

[ottawak]

Floods destroy carvings?

Of course. Read Walter T. Brown, an approved creationst, on the subject. The Fountains of the Great Deep which caused the Flood erupted with such force as to tear chunks off the Earth to form the Asteroid belt. How could a mere carving survive?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Of course. Read Walter T. Brown, an approved creationst, on the subject. The Fountains of the Great Deep which caused the Flood erupted with such force as to tear chunks off the Earth to form the Asteroid belt. How could a mere carving survive?

Well, if a wooden boat could survive.....

 

[BPPLEE]

Closer to 64,000 years

Okay that means it took humans between 2 to 6 million years to etch something discernible or am I wrong? I'm going by when humans first appeared

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Okay that means it took humans between 2 to 6 million years to etch something discernible or am I wrong? I'm going by when humans first appeared

Not necessarily. Those are just the oldest ones we've found.

There is evidence of art dating back 700,000 years, but IIRC it is non-figurative art.

 

[ottawak]

Okay that means it took humans between 2 to 6 million years to etch something discernible or am I wrong? I'm going by when humans first appeared

This was a fun read.
Oldest carving in East Asia found. But its maker is a mystery.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Okay that means it took humans between 2 to 6 million years to etch something discernible or am I wrong? I'm going by when humans first appeared

Remember also that just because we don't know what something represents doesn't mean there was no discernible meaning for the creator.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I don't like being labeled a Creationist because that seems to imply YEC. People don't like being called Evolutionists because they say it is not a religious belief. Of course what you believe about creation has nothing to do with salvation and people are free to believe what they want. But if I don't believe everything about evolution people can't seem to accept that.

Yes, I think you're right. There are folks for whom a label (like "Creationist" or "Evolutionist") supposedly can only mean, and only ever mean, some precise and exacting referent that they'll insist upon all the way to the grave.

The important thing in this discussion is to gain an understanding as to when we're doing theology, when we're doing philosophy, and we're actually doing science. As it is, these three fields seem to suffer constant conflation when they shouldn't. They also get ignored in cases where they actually overlap and may affect each other.

But, that's people for you.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Bait.

Thanks for the QED -- you can't convert heathens through honest means, so you have to resort to trickery.

 

[AV1611VET]

So it would destroy carvings but not a wooden boat? Sounds plausible

QV please: My Ark Challenge

 

[AV1611VET]

No, someone drew pictures on rocks and the paint was dated.

Paint that was dated to 62,000 BC?

Seriously?

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, if a wooden boat could survive.....

How many times do I have to make this point?

I don't envision the Ark having anything other than gopher wood and pitch.

No nails, no metal, no glass, no stone, no nothing.

Just gopher wood, held together by pitch.

Why?

Using just myopic science, can you explain how on Earth just coating a structure 450 x 75 x 45 would keep it stable?

No nails, no bolts, no screws, no pegs, no staples, no nothing.

Just pitch.

It should have fallen in on itself once they put one board on top of another.

But obviously it didn't.

What, in your opinion ... or Who ... really kept that Ark from disintegrating?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Paint that was dated to 62,000 BC?

Seriously?

Yep