THE RULE OF FAITH AND PRACTICE IS ALWAYS SCRIPTURE "ALONE" 2

[timothyu]

All the spoken Words of God we have today comes from Gods' written Word (the scriptures) or at the very least needs to be tested by them to know what Spirit they come from.

Convenient for those who follow it, but difficult for those who use it to lead others.

 

[concretecamper]

if we have no Word we have no faith because it is the Word of God that we are believe and follow

thank you again for not adding the word "scripture"

 

[Carl Emerson]

According to the scripture God's Spirit works through the Words of God as we believe what Gods' Word says. Therefore Gods' Spirit is not separate from Gods Word as it works through the truth of Gods' Word not against it *John 6:63; John 17:17

Yes of course but you didn't address the issue I raised - completely ignored it.

You seem reluctant to admit that God speaks through Scripture and also on occasion by other means.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

thank you again for not adding the word "scripture"

Thank you but I did not add to scripture. Gods' Word as shown through scripture is the recorded written Word of God already shown to you in *2 Timothy 3:15-16; Matthew 4:4; Romans 10:17

 

[Carl Emerson]

What other way beside scripture do we know the Words of God today? Even a direct revelation from God needs to be tested by scripture to make sure it is not another Spirit.

Of course - test all you like, but don't deny that Jesus by His Spirit can communicate directly with His children if he so desires...

 

[timothyu]

God is kinda like a Jewish mother, leaving you with a nagging feeling some things we do ain't right.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ According to the scripture God's Spirit works through the Words of God as we believe what Gods' Word says. Therefore Gods' Spirit is not separate from Gods Word as it works through the truth of Gods' Word not against it *John 6:63; John 17:17

and again here..

What other way beside scripture do we know the Words of God today? Even a direct revelation from God needs to be tested by scripture to make sure it is not another Spirit.

Your response here...

Yes of course but you didn't address the issue I raised - completely ignored it. You seem reluctant to admit that God speaks through Scripture and also on occasion by other means.

The two quotes above your post directly addresses the point you raised. You did not answer the question I asked of you for clarification above. This is why I believe that the scriptures are the only rule of faith. That is what is true and what is not.

God bless

 

[Carl Emerson]

What do you mean by the Scripture? The KJV? the original Greek texts, the original Hebrew texts? The NASB, the Jerusalem Bible, the CEV - please be specific... or is it all of these and if not why not ???

 

[timothyu]

Is not picking out from a collection the same as judging a person by their sect? It divides rather than unifies. God said the division was between the world of man and His Kingdom, not between the pettiness of man.

 

[Leaf473]

The body of Christ are all those who believe and follow what God's Word says (see John 10:26-27). If we are believing and following what God's Word says we are in the body of Christ. If we are not then we have either never been in the body of Christ or if we have and departed the faith and returned into sin and unbelief according to the scriptures are no longer in the body of Christ but have cast our lot with the wicked according to the scriptures *Hebrews 6:4-8; Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 2:19.

That early church in Corinth was said to be part of the body of Christ. Yet there were many problems in it. My conclusion is that the body of Christ includes people who are growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.

That describes me and every serious Christian I've met so far.

 

[Leaf473]

Moving on to the next question

Q2. If faith comes from Gods' Word (the scriptures and Jesus) *Romans 10:17 then how can we have faith or be "in the faith" if we do not believe and follow what Gods' Word says?

any thoughts?

Back to your question here.

We always want to believe and follow what God's word says,
always keeping in mind that not everything that God's word says applies to us.

Like in Matthew 8, Jesus tells an ex-leper to take the offering that Moses commanded. That's not something that applies to me imo.

 

[timothyu]

My conclusion is that the body of Christ includes people who are growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.

Yes, if they are caring for each other rather than what is in it for themselves.

 

[concretecamper]

Thank you but I did not add to scripture. Gods' Word as shown through scripture is the recorded written Word of God already shown to you in *2 Timothy 3:15-16; Matthew 4:4; Romans 10:17

correct. Although the scriptures you quoted does not support the idea.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Although the scriptures you quoted does not support the idea.

Sure they do. Do you think the scriptures provided to you earlier are not saying that scripture is the inspired word of God or that Gods' Word is not written in scripture and we are not to live by them? Gods' Word as shown through scripture is the recorded written Word of God already shown to you in *2 Timothy 3:15-16; Matthew 4:4; Romans 10:17

 

[concretecamper]

Sure they do.

not even close

Do you think the scriptures provided to you earlier are not saying that scripture is the inspired word of God

what I'm saying is that any of the scriptures you provided does not tell us the Bible is the Word of God.

that Gods' Word is not written in scripture and we are not to live by them?

we should follow God's Word whether written in the Bible or not.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That early church in Corinth was said to be part of the body of Christ. Yet there were many problems in it. My conclusion is that the body of Christ includes people who are growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ. That describes me and every serious Christian I've met so far.

There are many problems as we are growing in the faith and do not know Gods' Word. Paul sent them Gods' Word to help their problems and help them to grow in the faith. That is they were sent Gods' Word and if they believed and followed what Gods' Word says they would not have these same problems because they were sent scripture, inspired by God through Paul for correction, and instruction in righteousness according to 2 Timothy 3:15

 

[LoveGodsWord]

not even close
what I'm saying is that any of the scriptures you provided does not tell us the Bible is the Word of God.
we should follow God's Word whether written in the Bible or not.

Then we have Gods' Word that disagrees with your words that say; "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" - 2 Timothy 3:16. So we will agree to disagree on that claim because for me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to Romans 3:4 and Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

Take Care.

 

[concretecamper]

Then we have Gods' Word that disagrees with your words that say; "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" - 2 Timothy 3:16

No, Paul is referencing the Tanakh, not the Bible, just like I know he is. You keep adding to His Word. Why?

 

[timothyu]

Just like those who lay personal claim to resources which God gave to all of us, it seems some do the same with God's word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Back to your question here.

We always want to believe and follow what God's word says,
always keeping in mind that not everything that God's word says applies to us.

Like in Matthew 8, Jesus tells an ex-leper to take the offering that Moses commanded. That's not something that applies to me imo.

Agreed, but sometimes even these scriptures are like parables and do indeed apply to us.