Southwest Missouri high school teacher accused of using critical race theory loses job

[KCfromNC]

Imagine your kid came home with a worksheet on "original sin"....

You might accuse his teachers of pushing Catholicism on him.....but the teacher says "whoa....that's Sunday school stuff taught only in churches....this is just the facts of original sin."

I appreciate that the best posts can do to prove that CRT is being taught in school is to have me imagine things which never happened. Quite telling.

 

[KCfromNC]

Do I really have to go through every school district in America? I just gave you one. And if you go read the CRT threads in this board there are plenty of other examples.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1413176040613048320/photo/1

I guess an unsourced Twitter photo is better than asking me imagine there's evidence for CRT being taught, but not actually good.

Those are core principals of CRT. But you know that because it's been explained to you a lot.

In which post was this bit of Twitter "evidence" already "explained" to me? Please be specific.

Look, I get it is frustrating that there's no actual evidence of CRT being taught. But don't shoot the messenger who is pointing out that fact.

 

[rjs330]

I guess an unsourced Twitter photo is better than asking me imagine there's evidence for CRT being taught, but not actually good.


In which post was this bit of Twitter "evidence" already "explained" to me? Please be specific.

Look, I get it is frustrating that there's no actual evidence of CRT being taught. But don't shoot the messenger who is pointing out that fact.

I just added a link to a source and in that link you can find links to videos if teachers doing it.

There has been shown plenty of evidence of CRT being taught in schools. I didn't specifically mean the Twitter link. Please go back and read the threads. There is plenty there. There's no need for me or anyone else to go over it again in another thread.

 

[Fantine]

When a college student (who has her tuition paid for by her dad who is working 70 hours a week) as a direct result of the tuition he's paying for, tells her dad that he's privileged, it's really quite demoralizing. Especially when their black neighbors get free tuition through Affirmative Action.
I would complain, too.

The FAFSA form is color-blind and income-based.

A man who works 70 hours a week probably lives in a very different neighborhood from people who get free tuition.

The use of affirmative action is limited by the courts.

Perhaps the "neighbor" with free tuition has an academic or athletic scholarship which has been earned through achievements.

 

[royal priest]

The FAFSA form is color-blind and income-based.

A man who works 70 hours a week probably lives in a very different neighborhood from people who get free tuition.

The use of affirmative action is limited by the courts.

Perhaps the "neighbor" with free tuition has an academic or athletic scholarship which has been earned through achievements.

Nowadays, a black person doesn't even need AA to get priority over white peers. That's why we have white people checking African American on their school applications.

 

[NxNW]

64% of democrats say boys can be girls and girls can be boys, supporting transgenderism.

No, they don't.

55% if Democrats support playing sports in the team of which gender you identity with.

You say this like it's a bad thing.

44% of liberals believe police kill anywhere from 1000-10000 unarmed blacks a year.

Link, please.

Over 40% believe Trump colluded with Russia.

He did. He also tried to blackmail Ukraine and tried to pressure Georgia for more votes before inciting an insurrection.

Democrats by and large supported Brown and defended her for her being unable to define woman.

She was not unable to define woman. She was just unwilling to answer a stupid question.

 

[rjs330]

No, they don't.

You say this like it's a bad thing.

Link, please.

He did. He also tried to blackmail Ukraine and tried to pressure Georgia for more votes before inciting an insurrection.

She was not unable to define woman. She was just unwilling to answer a stupid question.

Lol and you said it is was crazy talk and no one believes it. Well it appears that you do.

And you've got company.

And Brown said "No, I can’t,” she eventually said. “Not in this context. I’m not a biologist.”

She said she can't. Not that she won't.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I appreciate that the best posts can do to prove that CRT is being taught in school is to have me imagine things which never happened. Quite telling.

Well you'd have to understand something about it to begun with...

Imagine someone living in a cave for 50 years wanders out and hears they're teaching children about original sin in schools....and people are claiming it's catholic indoctrination.

How would the guy living in the cave know?

That's you...you don't know anything about CRT. You can't be shown evidence because you don't know what would be evidence.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I'm not struggling at all. I've posted it twice already but for some inexplicable reason you can't see or understand it. What I'm struggling with, is a person asking me to post again what has already been posted twice already. Those post are still there in this thread, you can re-read them, you don't really need me to post them again. If I post them again, am I still going to have you asking "where's the problem?"

Ok @stevil I'll post what you wrote and we'll go through it line by line and see where the problem is....

Today, the average farm operated by an African American is about 100 acres, compared with the national average of about 440 acres, according to the last farm census.

Is this the problem? It looks like a regular old fact to me.


The Center for American Progress found that in 2017, the average full-time White farmer brought in $17,190 in farm income, while the average full-time Black farmer made just $2,408.

Is this the problem? It looks like a regular old fact to me.

Of the 3.4 million farmers in the United States today, only 45,000 are Black, according to the USDA, down from 1 million a century ago.

Is this the problem? Looks like another fact.


Black farmland ownership peaked in 1910 at 16 to 19 million acres, about 14 percent of total agricultural land, according to the Census of Agriculture. A century later, 90 percent of that land had been lost. White farmers now account for 98 percent of the acres, according to USDA data

Is this the problem? Looks like another fact.

That's all you've listed. A series of facts. I don't really know what you think the problem is. I don't really know the exact causes of these changes, but I do know that a lot about farming has changed since 1900. I know black farmers faced some discrimination...which they've been paid for.

Can you explain the problem?

 

[Ana the Ist]

She was not unable to define woman. She was just unwilling to answer a stupid question.

Why is it a stupid question?
She's a judge.

There's all kinds of laws from divorce laws to civil rights that include the term "woman".

It's extremely important that she knows what a woman is....if she doesn't, she isn't fit to judge a bake-off.

 

[stevil]

Can you explain the problem?

It looks like to me that Black families have been driven out of the industry. Lost a means of income.
Any subsequent reparations have not restored the blacks into the farming industry. It seems that irreparable damage has been caused.

 

[rjs330]

It looks like to me that Black families have been driven out of the industry. Lost a means of income.
Any subsequent reparations have not restored the blacks into the farming industry. It seems that irreparable damage has been caused.

You know six million white families are no longer in the farming business either.

And how do you restore blacks back into the farming industry?

 

[Ana the Ist]

It looks like to me that Black families have been driven out of the industry. Lost a means of income.

A lot of people were driven out of the industry when it went through some rather dramatic changes due to industrialization, modern farming methods, and ultimately what we now call factory farming.

I'm sure black people are in this group....so are a lot of white people.

If you're claiming that black people were driven out because they are black....I'm sure that happened in some cases, but there's no reason to believe it was all or even most cases.

Nothing about what you quoted suggests that it was because they were black. Frankly, it seems far more likely to be a mix of factors...

The second half of your statement suggests something else though...

Are you in favor of racial quotas? Do you think race needs to be proportional in every industry?

 

[stevil]

A lot of people were driven out of the industry when it went through some rather dramatic changes due to industrialization, modern farming methods, and ultimately what we now call factory farming.

I'm sure black people are in this group....so are a lot of white people.

If you're claiming that black people were driven out because they are black....I'm sure that happened in some cases, but there's no reason to believe it was all or even most cases.

Nothing about what you quoted suggests that it was because they were black. Frankly, it seems far more likely to be a mix of factors...

The article brings up reasons why blacks have lost out, they were discriminated against. Read the article or read the stuff that I quoted.

The second half of your statement suggests something else though...

Are you in favor of racial quotas? Do you think race needs to be proportional in every industry?

The article doesn't mention quotas and neither do I.

I think for historical reasons blacks today find themselves in a position of massive disadvantage and that it is hard to get a level pegging.
I forget where I've heard it from, but image 4 white people playing monopoly, they go around the board 4 times, buying up property, accumulating wealth, and then 2 black people come along and ask if they can play too. Sure say the white folk, they let the blacks join in but don't restart the game. The blacks start off with no property and just the start off amount of money.

It can't be racist because all the rules are the same for everyone right?
But who do you think is more likely to win the game? The white guys or the black guys?

 

[rjs330]

The article brings up reasons why blacks have lost out, they were discriminated against. Read the article or read the stuff that I quoted.



The article doesn't mention quotas and neither do I.

I think for historical reasons blacks today find themselves in a position of massive disadvantage and that it is hard to get a level pegging.
I forget where I've heard it from, but image 4 white people playing monopoly, they go around the board 4 times, buying up property, accumulating wealth, and then 2 black people come along and ask if they can play too. Sure say the white folk, they let the blacks join in but don't restart the game. The blacks start off with no property and just the start off amount of money.

It can't be racist because all the rules are the same for everyone right?
But who do you think is more likely to win the game? The white guys or the black guys?

I don't know about massive disadvantage. White people have to start from scratch too. My family did, my wife's family did, most families do.

I did. I had to work and earn my money like everyone else. I didn't start rich. My parents didn't own a house until later in life. After I was gone.

All you have done is complain about their plight, but have offered NO solutions. What do we DO to fix the problems you keep pointing out about the past? How do we get black farmers back in the business?

How exactly is America supposed to fix it? Your country isn't a model for that. They haven't fixed their problems.

Perhaps it's time to recognize that all this angst over the past isn't doing anything. All it does is create more division and blame in people who have nothing to do with what happened in the past.

In your Monopoly game example, what should the white guys do? Start the game over? Give the black guys half of their property? And how on earth does that compare to real life and what to do about it in real life?

 

[stevil]

How exactly is America supposed to fix it? Your country isn't a model for that. They haven't fixed their problems.

I haven't done extensive research on how to solve the problem, I don't have a team of economists, sociologists, and ethnic representatives supporting me to come up with a solution.

You have come late into this conversation. Ana asked me a specific question, he provided a specific scenario. This was his topic not mine. I'm just recognising that there is a problem, there seem to be many USA folk (typically white, typically Republican supporters) that don't see any problem at all.
My answer to Ana's question is that I don't consider it to be extreme for Biden and his administration to be doing something about this issue.

In your Monopoly game example, what should the white guys do? Start the game over? Give the black guys half of their property? And how on earth does that compare to real life and what to do about it in real life?

If it was a monopoly game you would certainly restart the game for everyone. In reality it is much more difficult and complex, but certainly just giving everyone the same laws doesn't fix the disparity.

 

[KCfromNC]

I just added a link to a source and in that link you can find links to videos if teachers doing it.

There has been shown plenty of evidence of CRT being taught in schools.

A link to a picture of a spreadsheet made by some random person on the internet isn't what I'd call "plenty of evidence".

I didn't specifically mean the Twitter link.

And yet that's the first thing that was posted in my response to my request for evidence. One wonders why something reliable wasn't posted instead.

Please go back and read the threads. There is plenty there. There's no need for me or anyone else to go over it again in another thread.

It isn't my job to review threads looking for evidence to support your opinion.

 

[KCfromNC]

Well you'd have to understand something about it to begun with...

No, I'd just need evidence for claims rather than posts which try to avoid giving it by resorting to made up personal attacks like this one.

Imagine someone living in a cave for 50 years wanders out and hears they're teaching children about original sin in schools....and people are claiming it's catholic indoctrination.

If only imagination was a substitute for reality...

That's you...you don't know anything about CRT.

I have learned that requests for evidence of it being taught in public schools seem to lead to posts attacking the person asking the question rather than ones able to actually provide that evidence, so I guess that's something.

 

[Ana the Ist]

No, I'd just need evidence for claims.

Cool....what would you consider evidence?

 

[Ana the Ist]

The article brings up reasons why blacks have lost out, they were discriminated against.

You're saying that every black farmer who quit lost out because of discrimination?

The article doesn't mention quotas and neither do I.

Right...but you did like the racial discrimination Biden's administration was enacting.

I think for historical reasons blacks today find themselves in a position of massive disadvantage and that it is hard to get a level pegging.
I forget where I've heard it from, but image 4 white people playing monopoly, they go around the board 4 times, buying up property, accumulating wealth, and then 2 black people come along and ask if they can play too. Sure say the white folk, they let the blacks join in but don't restart the game. The blacks start off with no property and just the start off amount of money.

It can't be racist because all the rules are the same for everyone right?
But who do you think is more likely to win the game? The white guys or the black guys?

This was actually an experiment. They wanted to "rig the game" so it was stacked in one player's favor and see the reactions.

Turned out that a significant amount of the time, the player with the advantage thought he was playing the game better than the others. Fascinating stuff. He wanted to imagine it was fair.

What nobody talks about is the other experiment run....the fair game experiment. In this one everyone plays a random guessing game, and is paid out at the end based in how well they did. Completely fair.

At the end, you're shown your score and payout compared to the "other 5 people who played". You get the choice of keeping what you earned....or sharing all earnings evenly. If you were shown to be near the top...you wanted to keep what you earned...

But players shown that they were at the bottom would claim the others must have cheated somehow and wanted an even split.