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Jan 6 Breach of the Capitol: Consequences & Repercussions III

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In a D.C. jail, Jan. 6 defendants awaiting trial are forming bitter factions

Initially, the inmates seemed so unified and bonded that a defense attorney told a judge the jail had developed a "cult-like" atmosphere. Experts on extremism worriedthat the jail was radicalizing the inmates. But recently, conflicts have blown up between the inmates and grown into what another attorney referred to as a "schism" and what an inmate compared to a "middle school lunchroom."

The main driver of this conflict, according to C2B inmates, along with their attorneys and family members, is the growing pool of money donated in the name of the Jan. 6 defendants. ... As donations have grown, so have resentments. And the conflict that has built inside the jail has been amplified outside by a kind of power struggle over who speaks for the so-called political prisoners.

A handful of inmates said their experience of being arrested had turned them away from Donald Trump. "I stopped caring about politics because that's what got me incarcerated," said one inmate, "and I don't ever want to be a pawn in someone else's game again." Another said he would never go to another political rally in his life.

Others have gotten more deeply invested in the pro-Trump █████ conspiracy theory and have even been writing letters to a post office box that they've heard reaches Trump.
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Seven other current and former inmates of the D.C. jail, however, agreed with Smocks and told NPR that Hale-Cusanelli [this guy] had made antisemitic comments or drawings — such as depicting Jewish people as pigs and dropping an atomic bomb on Israel. The drawings were "hateful and inflammatory," said one detainee. "It perpetuates a stereotype that I resent about Trump supporters being racist and intolerant, because we're not."

One detainee compared the situation to "the movie Mean Girls, but with racist, antisemitic extremists."
 
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They are certainly not complete, since we know of many calls that happened during that gap.

What you think every single person uses the switchboard everytime they make a call? I suppose every Biden person uses the switchboard too right?

This whole Jan 6 thing is a farce. Yes people broke into the buildings and yes they should be charged for it.

But a ton of this youve been posting is a bunch of conspiracy nonsense.
 
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What you think every single person uses the switchboard everytime they make a call?

No, I know the Presidential Records Act legally obliges the Administration to log all of the president's calls (regardless of the device on which they were made).
 
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In a phone call last month, a member of a far-right paramilitary group warned an Arizona woman who gave congressional investigators [on Jan 6 committee] information about the outfit’s efforts to push Donald Trump’s Big Lie that she might be hurt or killed if she continued to speak out.

Burk, 47, has a wild story to tell. She is a former Gilbert, Arizona school board president who in 2020 helped to advance election fraud allegations in Arizona, including a claim that fake ballots had been flown into Phoenix. She provided an affidavit about the ballots to “Kraken” lawyer Sidney Powell

Weeks earlier, as Burk joined in efforts to find voter fraud in Arizona, she been approached by members of 1st Amendment Praetorian, founded in 2020 by author and former special forces staff sergeant Robert Patrick Lewis to provide security to prominent Trump backers, including Flynn and Stop the Steal founder Ali Alexander, at rallies.

According to Burk, in late November 2020, Flynn personally dispatched 1AP members, including Kenny, to her home to protect her against alleged threats resulting from her election fraud claims.

Burk last year began speaking to reporters investigating events connected to January 6. Starting in August, she also participated in multiple interviews with committee investigators and turned over her audio recordings to the panel. “They were super happy to talk to me,” Burk said. “They wanted everything about 1AP.”

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From the phone call:

“I guess I’m not…I guess I’m not understanding” Burk said. “Yes, that would be horrible.”

“What I’m saying is kind of an analogy,” [1AP member Michael] Kenny responded. “The same thing applies to you as it does to that guy.”

Burk indicated she was still confused: “Like I ticked somebody off, so his friends could come after me?”

“If you ticked somebody off enough.” Kenny responded. “Just give it some thought. Let your imagination run away with yourself. I’m sure you can figure it out. You’re not stupid. You don’t need me to fill any gaps for you. You know exactly what I’m telling you.”
 
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Gay Adult Film Entertainer Arrested for Role in Jan. 6 Insurrection

Adult film entertainer Steven Miles (also known as Sergeant Miles) was arrested Tuesday, April 12, over his alleged involvement in the insurrection that occurred on January 6, 2021.

Miles, 39, of Zephyrhills, Fla., has been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers, civil disorder, engaging in physical violence in a restricted building or grounds with a dangerous weapon, and related offenses, according to the Department of Justice.
 
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In a phone call last month, a member of a far-right paramilitary group warned an Arizona woman who gave congressional investigators [on Jan 6 committee] information about the outfit’s efforts to push Donald Trump’s Big Lie that she might be hurt or killed if she continued to speak out.

Burk, 47, has a wild story to tell. She is a former Gilbert, Arizona school board president who in 2020 helped to advance election fraud allegations in Arizona, including a claim that fake ballots had been flown into Phoenix. She provided an affidavit about the ballots to “Kraken” lawyer Sidney Powell

Weeks earlier, as Burk joined in efforts to find voter fraud in Arizona, she been approached by members of 1st Amendment Praetorian, founded in 2020 by author and former special forces staff sergeant Robert Patrick Lewis to provide security to prominent Trump backers, including Flynn and Stop the Steal founder Ali Alexander, at rallies.

According to Burk, in late November 2020, Flynn personally dispatched 1AP members, including Kenny, to her home to protect her against alleged threats resulting from her election fraud claims.

Burk last year began speaking to reporters investigating events connected to January 6. Starting in August, she also participated in multiple interviews with committee investigators and turned over her audio recordings to the panel. “They were super happy to talk to me,” Burk said. “They wanted everything about 1AP.”

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From the phone call:

“I guess I’m not…I guess I’m not understanding” Burk said. “Yes, that would be horrible.”

“What I’m saying is kind of an analogy,” [1AP member Michael] Kenny responded. “The same thing applies to you as it does to that guy.”

Burk indicated she was still confused: “Like I ticked somebody off, so his friends could come after me?”

“If you ticked somebody off enough.” Kenny responded. “Just give it some thought. Let your imagination run away with yourself. I’m sure you can figure it out. You’re not stupid. You don’t need me to fill any gaps for you. You know exactly what I’m telling you.”

Collectively, they are trying hard to break all of the laws, or so it would seem. Seriously, though... These 1AP people sound pretty dangerous. Who are they affiliated with now. Oh, that's right, insurrectionist general Mike Flynn.
 
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Collectively, they are trying hard to break all of the laws, or so it would seem. Seriously, though... These 1AP people sound pretty dangerous. Who are they affiliated with now. Oh, that's right, insurrectionist general Mike Flynn.
The Venn diagram of the overlap betwixt ardent 1st-Amendmenters and those seeking to ban “the wrong” books would be interesting to see.
 
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The Venn diagram of the overlap betwixt ardent 1st-Amendmenters and those seeking to ban “the wrong” books would be interesting to see.

I have no idea why these 1AP people use the *1st* amendment in their name. As a militia, being the 2AP would make more sense.

(digging into *their* claims a bit...) Their web page claims they defend the 1A rights of people that are being suppressed, but looking at all of their "past events" that just seems to mean they provide armed security at various right-wing protests. (Their work at various post-election events, especially the 1/6 related ones seems to be missing from the list. I wonder why...)
 
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New filing seems to indicate the Oath Keepers were in contact with Rep Ronnie Jackson (R-TX) during the riot.

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Another set of texts from Stewart Rhodes, some in reply to those above asking for help for Jackson, where he tells the person to "Give him my cell".
 
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New filing seems to indicate the Oath Keepers were in contact with Rep Ronnie Jackson (R-TX) during the riot.

Jackson has denied ever being in touch with the group. The freshman congressman says he stayed during the attack to protect the House floor.

"Like many public figures, Rep. Jackson is frequently talked about by people he does not know," a spokesperson for Jackson told CNN iin a statement. "He does not know nor has he ever spoken to the people in question. In fact, he stayed behind with Capitol Police to help defend the House Floor and was one of the last Members to be evacuated."
 
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New filing seems to indicate the Oath Keepers were in contact with Rep Ronnie Jackson (R-TX) during the riot.

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Another set of texts from Stewart Rhodes, some in reply to those above asking for help for Jackson, where he tells the person to "Give him my cell".

Dr. Ronnie is an odd person to call unless you need some uppers.

If you're down he'll pick you up
Doctor Ronnie
Take a drink from his special cup
Doctor Ronnie
Doctor Ronnie
He's a man you must believe
Helping anyone in need
No one can succeed like Doctor Ronnie
 
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A man boasted about Jan. 6 to his Uber driver, feds say. He’s now charged.
When night fell on Jan. 6, 2021, Jerry Braun grabbed a slice of pizza while waiting for his Uber ride. Hours before, he had stormed the Capitol and even whacked a reporter with a wooden plank, prosecutors allege.

A driver picked him up in downtown Washington about 7 p.m., immediately noticing a bleeding wound near Braun’s eye. In an exchange that was caught by a camera mounted inside the car, the driver asked the white-bearded man: “So, has it been violent all day?”

“Well, it started around, right when I got there,” Braun responded, according to court records. “I tore down the barricades.”

The recorded conversation prompted a 15-month-long investigation that concluded April 12 with Braun arrested on charges of violent entry or disorderly conduct, obstruction during civil disorder, and entering and remaining on restricted grounds, according to court records unsealed Tuesday.
 
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After a Colorado man accused of assaulting law enforcement on Jan. 6 indignantly disrupted his pretrial proceedings about his “First Amendment right” to speak on his own behalf, a federal judge informed his attorney that his client’s protections do not extend to ranting out of turn in a courtroom.

Accused police assailant Robert Gieswein “will be back in a lockup in a second if he keeps mouthing off,” Senior U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan warned.

Already jailed pending trial, Gieswein faces multiple felony charges, including assaulting police officers, civil disorder, and obstruction of an official proceeding. Decked out in military-style gear including a helmet, goggles, and tactical vest, Gieswein allegedly entered the Capitol through a broken window. He allegedly sprayed law enforcement with a chemical spray and brandished a baseball bat as he and other supporters of Donald Trump overran police and swarmed the Capitol building as Congress was certifying Joe Biden‘s win in the 2020 presidential election.
 
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Alex Jones offers to agree to interview with prosecutors about Jan 6 in exchange for immunity from prosecution.

Previously, Jones had declared his intention to take the 5th because he "doesn’t want to spend the rest of my life in prison”
 
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Retired soldier charged in Capitol riot held secret military documents, feds say

A federal grand jury in Tampa last week returned an indictment alleging that Jeremy Brown had unauthorized possession of the documents, which relate to military activities that occurred in 2004 and 2005.

The new charges accompany previous allegations that Brown illegally possessed two guns and a set of hand grenades, which federal agents found when they executed a search warrant last year at his Tampa home.

A federal judge previously ordered Brown to remain detained pending trial, expressing concern over a profane handwritten sign he placed outside his home after an earlier visit from law enforcement. The sign stated that if they came back, they should “bring a bigger tactical package.”

Brown asserted in court that the sign was not a threat and said he detests violence.
 
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Retired soldier charged in Capitol riot held secret military documents, feds say

A federal grand jury in Tampa last week returned an indictment alleging that Jeremy Brown had unauthorized possession of the documents, which relate to military activities that occurred in 2004 and 2005.

The new charges accompany previous allegations that Brown illegally possessed two guns and a set of hand grenades, which federal agents found when they executed a search warrant last year at his Tampa home.

A federal judge previously ordered Brown to remain detained pending trial, expressing concern over a profane handwritten sign he placed outside his home after an earlier visit from law enforcement. The sign stated that if they came back, they should “bring a bigger tactical package.”

Brown asserted in court that the sign was not a threat and said he detests violence.

This article leads you believe he obtained these document during his time inside the White House. If he did, then whoever left those documents unsecured (or digital access) should be properly dealt with as well so long as it was not just left out as the person was evacuated.

If they left the data unsecured and walked off for a break, chat, or stepped out for any reason other than hurried/chaotic evacuation, they need to be educated/counseled etc....
 
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This article leads you believe he obtained these document during his time inside....

I don't think so.

Brown, 47, served in the Special Forces from 1992 to 2012. For most of that time, he held a “secret” security clearance, which gave him lawful access to national defense information that was closely held by the government, the indictment states.

The indictment alleges that Brown “willfully retained the documents and failed to deliver them to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it.”
 
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