Jan 6 Breach of the Capitol: Consequences & Repercussions III

[wing2000]

[...as the last two threads have been closed, please continue here and stay on topic]

Belinda Knisley, the Mesa County deputy clerk under investigation for election security breaches, was advised she faces felony burglary and misdemeanor cybercrime charges Wednesday in Grand Junction, according to court records.

The charges are separate from an ongoing probe by local prosecutors and the FBI into allegations that Knisley and her boss, Mesa County Clerk Tina Peters, were involved in election data leaks.

According to an arrest affidavit, which was first obtained by the Daily Sentinel, Knisley was discovered trying to print a document at county offices using Peters' computer credentials, despite having earlier been placed on paid administrative leave pending an investigation into allegations she had created a hostile work environment for office employees.

Mesa County's deputy clerk faces cybercrime, felony burglary charges

 

[hislegacy]

Umm…. You ask to stay on topic and your OP is from November 2021. It is not related to Jan 6.

She was not there. Perhaps you would want to start with an on topic op

 

[TLK Valentine]

Umm…. You ask to stay on topic and your OP is from November 2021. It is not related to Jan 6.

She was not there. Perhaps you would want to start with an on topic op

The January 6 insurrectionists believed that the 2020 election was rigged. She was caught attempting to rig the election. Surely this adds some credence to the mob's actions?

 

[hislegacy]

The January 6 insurrectionists believed that the 2020 election was rigged. She was caught attempting to rig the election. Surely this adds some credence to the mob's actions?

WOW! Even the article does not make that connection. How do assign motivation from something that happened 1,200 miles and 10 months later?

 

[TLK Valentine]

WOW! Even the article does not make that connection. How do assign motivation from something that happened 1,200 miles and 10 months later?

I didn't assign motivation -- I assigned justification.

Clearly the "alt" right was correct when they said the electoral process was compromised... they were simply mistaken about which side was doing it.

 

[hislegacy]

I didn't assign motivation -- I assigned justification.

Clearly the "alt" right was correct when they said the electoral process was compromised... they were simply mistaken about which side was doing it.

Still is not connected to the title of the thread. I’m out….

 

[wing2000]

Umm…. You ask to stay on topic and your OP is from November 2021. It is not related to Jan 6.

She was not there. Perhaps you would want to start with an on topic op

Indeed, I posted the wrong link:
Tina Peters, the clerk of Mesa County, Colorado who’s long been suspected of involvement in a leak of county election machine data last year, was arrested Tuesday.

Peters was briefly held and then released by Grand Junction Police after reportedly resisting a search warrant.

The arrest wasn’t related to the saga of the election machine data leaked from Peters’ office last year: Police had a warrant to collect Peters’ iPad after prosecutors said they noticed her filming a hearing Monday in the criminal case against a deputy in her office, Belinda Knisley.

Trumpy Colorado County Clerk Tina Peters Arrested After Resisting Search Warrant | Talking Points Memo

...and the way I see it, her misinformation activities contributed to the Big Lie that led to the January 6th rally. But yes, you are correct in that she is not being arrested specifically for any actions carried out on the 6th.

 

[hislegacy]

Indeed, I posted the wrong link:
Tina Peters, the clerk of Mesa County, Colorado who’s long been suspected of involvement in a leak of county election machine data last year, was arrested Tuesday.

Peters was briefly held and then released by Grand Junction Police after reportedly resisting a search warrant.

The arrest wasn’t related to the saga of the election machine data leaked from Peters’ office last year: Police had a warrant to collect Peters’ iPad after prosecutors said they noticed her filming a hearing Monday in the criminal case against a deputy in her office, Belinda Knisley.

Trumpy Colorado County Clerk Tina Peters Arrested After Resisting Search Warrant | Talking Points Memo

...and the way I see it, her misinformation activities contributed to the Big Lie that led to the January 6th rally. But yes, you are correct in that she is not being arrested specifically for any actions carried out on the 6th.

Do you read your own links?.

From your link:

The arrest wasn’t related to the saga of the election machine data leaked from Peters’ office last year:​

 

[wing2000]

Do you read your own links?.

From your link:

The arrest wasn’t related to the saga of the election machine data leaked from Peters’ office last year:​

Yes, I posted that excerpt did I not?
In any case, thank you for sharing your opinion.

 

[Opdrey]

I didn't assign motivation -- I assigned justification.

Clearly the "alt" right was correct when they said the electoral process was compromised... they were simply mistaken about which side was doing it.

This appears to be how it works. Seems that when people talk about voter fraud or election fraud it is more likely to be from the side that complains about it the most which kind of makes sense. It's like a bank robber complaining about how many banks get robbed.

 

[Hans Blaster]

This thread has been dormant too long. Here's a good one to get things started back again.

You may recall a couple months back the leaders of the "Oath Keepers" being charged with seditious conspiracy.

Well, one of those indicted had now pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy and will cooperate against his co-defendants:

Oath Keeper Joshua James pleads guilty to seditious conspiracy - CNNPolitics

Joshua James of Alabama has pleaded to counts 1 and 3 of the indictment

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1470996/download

Estimated sentence is about 8 years.

 

[Pommer]

This thread has been dormant too long. Here's a good one to get things started back again.

You may recall a couple months back the leaders of the "Oath Keepers" being charged with seditious conspiracy.

Well, one of those indicted had now pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy and will cooperate against his co-defendants:

Oath Keeper Joshua James pleads guilty to seditious conspiracy - CNNPolitics

Joshua James of Alabama has pleaded to counts 1 and 3 of the indictment

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1470996/download

Estimated sentence is about 8 years.

I think @essentialsaltes gets back from vacation around the third, possibly the fifth, given February is but 28 days.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I am well-rested, thanks, @Pommer

I was also able to spend some of my time on a fact-finding mission, so hold onto your seats.

Might as well lead off with this one:

Jan. 6 committee says Trump ‘may have engaged in criminal acts’ to overturn election

For context, this has to do with the subpoena of ex-Chapman University professor John Eastman's Chapman University emails. Eastman contends they are privileged due to client confidentiality. The committee contends #1: there is no signed attorney client agreement between Eastman and Trump, and #2: even if it applies, confidentially does not apply to plans for committing crimes.

To put the best face on it for Trump-fans, the committee is saying crimes 'may' have occurred to bolster its case that all the emails need to be released. As I understand it, Eastman has already turned over many emails to a judge who is reviewing them to see if any need to be held back as privileged, but Eastman is refusing to hand over many emails even to the judge.

(For its part, Chapman University says Eastman shouldn't have used his uni address for moonlighting, and wants nothing to do with him or his emails.)

 

[essentialsaltes]

In more Committee/subpoena news...

Trump gave $1M to Meadows nonprofit weeks after Jan. 6 panel's creation

The tax-deductible seven-figure contribution to the Conservative Partnership Institute is by far the largest chunk of $1.35 million in donations Trump's "Save America" PAC made to political allies over the last six months of 2021, according to the campaign finance report.

I presume the memo section of the check says "hush". Meadows is refusing to cooperate with the committee and has been referred to DOJ for contempt.

Kimberly Guilfoyle's meeting with Jan. 6 committee goes awry following clash over ground rules

House Jan. 6 committee issues subpoena to former Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro

Giuliani in discussions with Jan. 6 committee about testifying: report

Giuliani "has indicated to the committee through his attorney that he is more open to engaging with its requests than some other Trump allies who have refused to cooperate"

(Committee better give him clear directions, so Rudy doesn't show up here.)

Conservative pro-Trump attorneys subpoenaed by Jan. 6 committee

Several of these lawyers spoke with Trump on Jan. 6, 2021, according to the committee’s findings.

“The six individuals we’ve subpoenaed today all have knowledge related to those matters and will help the Select Committee better understand all the various strategies employed to potentially affect the outcome of the election,” said the panel’s chairman, Rep. Bennie G. Thompson (D-Miss.)

Oath Keepers Founder Stewart Rhodes Spent 6 Hours Testifying To 1/6 Committee

 

[essentialsaltes]

From the "buttery males" files:

‘He never stopped ripping things up’: Inside Trump’s relentless document destruction habits

When the Jan. 6 committee asked for certain documents related to Trump’s efforts to pressure Vice President Mike Pence, for example, some of them no longer existed in this person’s files because they had already been shredded, said someone familiar with the request.

White House records obtained so far by January 6 committee show no record of calls to and from Trump during riot

The records the House select committee has obtained do not contain entries of phone calls between the President and lawmakers that have been widely reported in the press. Trump was known to make calls using personal cell phones, which could account for those.


Some records taken by Trump are so sensitive they may not be described in public

Some of the presidential records recovered from former president Donald Trump’s residence at Mar-a-Lago are so sensitive they may not be able to be described in forthcoming inventory reports in an unclassified way

In a letter to sent Thursday evening to Archivist of the United States David S. Ferriero, Maloney asked for a “detailed description of the contents of the boxes recovered from Mar-a-Lago … and identification of any items that are classified and the level of classification” by March 10.

[Archives have responded that some are so sensitive, that they can't even be described in that list]

Trump White House didn’t preserve social media records, National Archives warns

The Trump White House did not preserve the former president’s social media accounts, the national archivist told Congress on Friday, warning lawmakers that some of the missing records may not be retrievable.

“The Trump Administration did not fully capture, and therefore NARA did not receive, all of the Presidential records created by Trump and White House staff that were posted on social media platforms,” Archivist David Ferriero wrote in a letter to the House Committee on Oversight and Reform. Ferriero said in the letter that he was asking the committee’s advice as required under the Presidential Records Act when presidential records are destroyed or disposed of without the archivist’s input.

Per: @nytmike

Among the items Trump took with him to Mar-a-Lago that he had to give back to NARA: that map of Hurricane Dorian that he marked up with a black Sharpie in 2019 that showed his own forecast.

 

[essentialsaltes]

General Jan 6-related Skullduggery

Trump considered blanket pardons for Jan. 6 rioters before he left office
The previously unreported conversations show the former president wasn't simply musing when he floated pardoning the rioters if he runs and wins in 2024.

"He thought if he could do it, these people would never have to testify or be deposed.”

Backstage drama at Jan. 6 rally for Trump draws interest of House committee
A simmering feud between rally organizers, including longtime Trump adviser Katrina Pierson and Republican fundraiser Caroline Wren, over who should speak that day was boiling over, culminating in a call to the U.S. Park Police, according to interviews with people familiar with the incident as well as text messages and police radio recordings reviewed by The Washington Post.

The call to police was made by Kylie Jane Kremer, executive director at Women for America First, a pro-Trump group that held the permit for the rally, who was aligned with Pierson in trying to keep some of Wren’s proposed speakers from addressing the crowd.

Wren, who was listed on the permit for the rally as a “VIP ADVISOR,” had with others organized an initial spreadsheet of potential speakers that included far-right conspiracy theorists such as Alex Jones and Ali Alexander, planning documents obtained by The Post show. [They were not on the final program.]

But on the morning of the event, Kremer grew concerned that Wren was rearranging seats and trying to move Jones and Alexander closer to the stage

Memo circulated among Trump allies advocated using NSA data in attempt to prove stolen election
The proposal to seize and analyze ‘NSA unprocessed raw signals data’ raises legal and ethical concerns that set it apart from other attempts that have come to light

ok, not strictly Jan 6, but still skullduggery.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Rioter Roundup

Capitol Siege Defendant Pleads Guilty, Tells Federal Judge He Wasn’t in the ‘Proud Boys’ Despite Wearing the Group’s Clothing
Lawrence Earl Stackhouse III, 34, was apparently done in by his own actions: according to prosecutors, Stackhouse had taken Jan. 5 and 6 off from work to travel to Washington. According to one witness, when Stackhouse returned, it was “common knowledge” that he had taken cellphone video while inside the U.S. Capitol building on Jan. 6, 2021.

Stackhouse denied [he was a Proud Boy], saying that he got the shirt because he liked the colors on it, and because the text on the back of the shirt “all had to do with Trump.”

(He is also guilty of a potty mouth, so no link)

Virginia deputy attorney general resigns after posts emerge of her praising January 6 rioters - CNNPolitics

Judge's son who stormed Capitol dressed as cave man pleads guilty

Iraq War vet who punched police officers is 100th US Capitol rioter to be sentenced | CNN Politics

Feds want 90-day prison term for Jan. 6 rioter photographed with Pelosi's lectern

Capitol rioter photographed with Pelosi's podium on Jan. 6 sentenced to prison

Dunedin couple accused of entering US Capitol during Jan. 6 insurrection

Pizzeria Owner Who Once Claimed to Be in Court 'By Special Divine Appearance' Gets Trial Date in Jan. 6 Case

Tennessee Father and Son Arrested on Charges For Assault on Law Enforcement During Jan. 6 Capitol Breach

First Jan. 6 trial tests claims of juror bias in nation’s capital

U.S. Marine Reservist Already Charged in Jan. 6 Capitol Riot Case Busted for Fake Covid Vaccine ID Scam

Man sentenced to probation in US Capitol attack after revealing he lost his job and now delivers pizza

Americus attorney keeps working while facing Jan. 6 charges in D.C.

Convicted Capitol Rioter Dies by Suicide After ‘Justice System Killed His Spirit’

“Matthew Lawrence Perna died on February 25, 2022 of a broken heart,” his family wrote. “His community (which he loved), his country, and the justice system killed his spirit and his zest for life.” Perna was set to be sentenced April 1, and faced up to 20 years in prison and a fine of $250,000, according to The Independent.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Underpinnings

New report details the influence of Christian nationalism on the insurrection
Christian nationalism was used to 'bolster, justify and intensify the January 6 attack on the Capitol,' said Amanda Tyler, head of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty.

“God is on Trump’s side. God is not on the Democrats’ side,” [Georgia lawyer and Capitol rioter] Calhoun allegedly wrote in a social media post. “And if patriots have to kill 60 million of these communists, it is God’s will. Think ethnic cleansing but it’s anti-communist cleansing.”

On Wednesday, Whitehead described Christian nationalism as a “cultural framework” bolstered by “mutually reinforcing” elements that spurred the violence at the Capitol, such as the █████ movement and the erroneous belief that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from Donald Trump.

[Sociologist] Perry argued Christian nationalism not only fueled the Capitol attack but also is being used by some to radically reinterpret the Jan. 6 attack in ways that obscure fact or even valorize participants.

Perry, for his part, explained there was a “slight backing away” from Christian nationalism in the aftermath of the insurrection. But the smaller group that remained, he said, has become “more radicalized, more militant, more willing to respond to the threat of democracy with anti-democratic threats and deals.”

“I really hope people wake up and recognize it for the threat that it is,” he said.

This man marched on the US Capitol on January 6. Now he says 'Stop the Steal' is a 'cult'

"I felt like a patriot that was standing beside our Founding Fathers speaking up against King George," Scott told CNN in an interview on the one-year anniversary of the insurrection.

A year on, Scott is blunt about the movement he was a part of, calling it a cult. His story is complicated -- he still believes much of the "Stop the Steal" propaganda, for example -- but his journey is illustrative of how Americans like him, who said he had never attended a Donald Trump rally, get caught up in a movement based on misinformation and how it takes over their lives.

He spent the next few months living mostly in his car, driving through the night and across the country to almost every "Stop the Steal" rally.

And he kept thinking he'd soon hear the evidence he was looking for -- from Giuliani, or Trump-connected lawyer Sidney Powell or Trump's former national security adviser Michael Flynn. "The people that were giving evidence of election fraud, so to speak, it was the same message that we had heard a day before or weeks before. It was, 'It's coming. It's coming. It's going to be revealed,'" Scott said. "Just keeping us holding on for the next breath."

 

[essentialsaltes]

Great Scot we have a communication problem.

Yes, certainly there seems to be some confusion about the meaning of the word 'additional'.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Speaking of John Eastman:

In one more documentary exhibit, Eastman sends another final message to Jacob, advocating for “a relatively minor violation” of election law — justified by various technical violations of the Electoral Count Act that Eastman says happened after the attack, when members of Congress resumed their debate:

"So now that the precedent has been set that the Electoral Count Act is not quite so sacrosanct as was previously claimed, I implore you to consider one more relatively minor violation [of the Electoral Count Act] and adjourn for 10 days"

Translation: I'm asking you to break the law and rig the Electoral College.