Southwest Missouri high school teacher accused of using critical race theory loses job

[stevil]

You don't think there's anything extreme about Biden's agenda

I don't know much of what his policies are, tell me something that you consider extreme and I'll look into it and tell you what I think.

...assuming he's more than a rubber stamp and a hand at this point?

This is just nonsense Fox News, Brietbart, right wing propaganda.

But I do assume, although USA folk tend to attribute everything to "The President", that any president has a team of qualified people that work together to come up with coherent policies. They do belong to a party after all.

 

[Ana the Ist]

As I have said many times, I am left in the social sense, because I believe in freedom and diversity.

Do you?

But I am right in the fiscal sense.
Because I like capitalism and market forces, I just think there needs to be some level of government oversight.


That is your opinion, but as I said, all online tests I have done, have told me I am centre right.


No, and that is a large failing of USA, you guys fight and bicker over these wedge issues. But don't really discuss policies or finances.

A surprisingly large number of us know nothing about economics.

I would say it is pretty centerist for the majority of developed democratic western nations. USA is an extreme case. Not very representative of the western world.

You can make a case for this...but are you claiming the US is towards the right of other western nations or towards the left?

This forum here is full of USA folk on the right being bigoted, racist, sexist, anti gay, anti trans.

I tend to see those folk on the left more often.

Trump put a white nationalist as his adviser on immigration and the UAS right didn't even batter an eye at that.

Biden put a black supremacist on his Department of Justice. The named a Supreme Court Justice who can't define the word woman.

Tucker Carlson had a white supremacist as his main script writer, and he was the most watched opinion show amongst the USA right.

Is he? I thought Joe Rogan had the biggest audience.

Nothing wrong with telling kids its ok for people to be trans.

Agreed. We should probably figure out what trans means first though.

We apparently need to nip discrimination in the bud at a young age.

No...I don't see why we need to do that.

After all, we're offering an opinion. Is there some reason why this opinion is needed before puberty?

If you are selling items to the public, you cannot choose to discriminate.

Would you require a Jewish baker to decorate a neo nazi cake celebrating Hitler's birthday?

 

[Ana the Ist]

I don't know much of what his policies are, tell me something that you consider extreme and I'll look into it and tell you what I think.

That's fair....

His proposed relief/support funding for black farmers has been rejected by the courts as being directly in violation of the constitution, particularly under equality under the law and the Civil Rights amendment that makes racial discrimination illegal. I think the administration has twice withdrawn their case...to avoid having the judge set precedent and end all future racial discrimination this administration has planned. They haven't yet figured out how to word the policy to allow discrimination against white farmers.

Then there's the fact that they took the stance of calling for an FBI investigation into the parent protests of school boards. This is despite the protests not involving any violence. Contrast that with the BLM protests in 2020 when public servants (police) were repeatedly assaulted...and elected Democrats rejected federal intervention.

I'd even argue that the fact Biden ran as a moderate....yet has been extremely far left in both his cabinet and policies is why his approval rating just keeps plummeting.

This is just nonsense Fox News, Brietbart, right wing propaganda.

I would have agreed with you a year ago...but when Biden tries to shake hands with people who don't exist...it's hard to dismiss the possibility of cognitive impairment.

But I do assume, although USA folk tend to attribute everything to "The President", that any president has a team of qualified people that work together to come up with coherent policies. They do belong to a party after all.

I'm sure he's got that....I just wonder who is writing these policies and if Biden even knows what they contain.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It was the right who claimed Obama couldn't be an American citizen because he was black.

I thought it was because his father was from Yemen or something.

It was the right who tried to outlaw gay marriage.

Neither party recognized the right to gay marriage for pretty much every administration up to Obama's.

And you believe businesses should be able to discriminate, despite your false claims to the contrary.

That case is more nuanced than some people remember.

It's not freedom if she's forced to remain pregnant against her will.

We should probably drop this topic. Statements like that can be considered promoting abortion and in violation of forum rules.

 

[Ana the Ist]

According to polling from that era, over 70% of registered Republicans bought into that.

Source? The highest number of conservatives I found was 49% in a Gallup poll. The number of Democrats who believed the same was between 20-30%.

After he released his birth certificate, numbers on both sides dropped to a small minority...

I will say, however, this is basically where the schism on left began.

 

[stevil]

His proposed relief/support funding for black farmers has been rejected by the courts as being directly in violation of the constitution, particularly under equality under the law and the Civil Rights amendment that makes racial discrimination illegal. I think the administration has twice withdrawn their case...to avoid having the judge set precedent and end all future racial discrimination this administration has planned. They haven't yet figured out how to word the policy to allow discrimination against white farmers.

Looking up this topic I find this article
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/03/08/reparations-black-farmers-stimulus/
Discrimination started a century ago with a series of federal Homestead Acts that offered mainly White settlers deeply subsidized land. Since then, local U.S. Department of Agriculture offices charged with distributing loans have frequently been found to deny Black farmers access to credit and to ignore or delay loan applications. Many Black farmers don’t have clear title to their land, which makes them ineligible for certain USDA loans to purchase livestock or cover the cost of planting, and they have seldom benefited from subsidy payments or trade mitigation compensation — almost all of President Donald Trump’s $28 billion bailout for those affected by the China trade war went to White farmers.

So it seems the relief bill was looking to address this past.
The article says
Of the $10.4 billion in the American Rescue Plan that will support agriculture, approximately half would go to disadvantaged farmers, according to estimates from the Farm Bureau, an industry organization. About a quarter of disadvantaged farmers are Black. The money would provide debt relief as well as grants, training, education and other forms of assistance aimed at acquiring land.
What I don't understand, is whether the plan specifically says a farmer must be black in order to qualify for the relief???

Reading through the article it really does seem that blacks have been disadvantaged for a long time and this has led to poor outcomes. It seems pretty typical of USA in general and its treatment of blacks.

This doesn't seem extreme to me, there is a problem which needs to be addressed.

Then there's the fact that they took the stance of calling for an FBI investigation into the parent protests of school boards. This is despite the protests not involving any violence. Contrast that with the BLM protests in 2020 when public servants (police) were repeatedly assaulted...and elected Democrats rejected federal intervention.

FBI Not Investigating Parents Who Protest School Board Meetings
The FBI, however, told USA Today it doesn’t tag or investigate parents who simply speak out at school board meetings. Instead, the agency only opens investigations when there is information “indicating the potential use of force or violence and a potential violation of federal law.

It seems this is a debunked piece of misinfomation

I would have agreed with you a year ago...but when Biden tries to shake hands with people who don't exist...it's hard to dismiss the possibility of cognitive impairment.

I wasn't aware of this, but I've looked this up. To me it looks like Biden was gesturing to a person off stage, perhaps asking where the stage exit is. Obviously they didn't answer him and so he is looking around stage for where he is supposed to exit. That's what it looks like to me, but I could be wrong.

EDIT: I've seen another clip of this. There are people standing behind Biden to his left and to his right. Biden is gesturing to them, connecting with them after his speech. A nothing burger, just right wing propoganda yet again.

... and if Biden even knows what they contain.

More propaganda nonsense. When Biden talks about policies he seems very coherent and clued in on the details. Which is starkly different from when Trump was talking to media, with vagueness, and waffling on tangents and talking about how great he is.

 

[rjs330]

No, but your answer makes it obvious that you have no idea how ideas are integrated into teaching. All sciences are a conglomeration of many ideas. In this case CRT is one that is an expansion of some prior ideas, to the extent that it makes sense to some educators, some principles may be expressed, this is the way that it works in education and in fact in any field where knowledge is concerned.

So in essence yes, CRT principals and theory are being taught in the classroom. By the way you have no idea what I know about educators. My wife was a teacher.

 

[rjs330]

don't seek out any politically biased media.

Funny that you are using all the left wing talking points though.

think it is important for USA folk to know the horrendous history of blacks in USA.

Me too, on that we agree.

Society needs to do more to address the balance.
Systemic racism is a thing, and it is keeping the incumbent in a position of priviledge. It needs to be addressed, even if some of those priviledged get all offended.

Progress is slow, but as old outdated ideas die out with the elderly, the new generations are coming with more balanced nuanced ideas that the elderly resist or struggle to understand.

Systemic racism is not a thing and we shouldn't be teaching kids there is. White people in general are not privileged and we shouldn't be teaching kids they are.

Very few elderly who grew up in the Jim Crow days and were racist are in power anymore. And I'd like to know really what these new balanced and nuanced ideas are. Often they are are code words for reparations, diversity quotas, white privilege, CRT, BLM et al.

 

[rjs330]

No, but your answer makes it obvious that you have no idea how ideas are integrated into teaching. All sciences are a conglomeration of many ideas. In this case CRT is one that is an expansion of some prior ideas, to the extent that it makes sense to some educators, some principles may be expressed, this is the way that it works in education and in fact in any field where knowledge is concerned.

You are being very condescending here while at the same time proving my point on how CRT is incorporated into the teaching. I guess I knew more than you thought.

 

[rjs330]

Not Investigating Parents Who Protest School Board Meetings
The FBI, however, told USA Today it doesn’t tag or investigate parents who simply speak out at school board meetings. Instead, the agency only opens investigations when there is information “indicating the potential use of force or violence and a potential violation of federal law.

It seems this is a debunked piece of misinfomation

This is misdirection as to what occurred. There were CALLS for the FBI to investigate. In fact Garland called to the FBI to work with agencies to address these things.

FBI to Target Parents for ‘Harassment, Intimidation’ Against Schools

They were concerned over parents speaking out and calling it harassment and intimidation.

 

[KCfromNC]

The fact that he didn’t produce a valid birth certificate. Now I don’t know how long that went on for I do know that it was quite some time before he finally did produce one but that was the entire reason for the skepticism.

He released the birth certificate in 2011. The poll posted showing nearly 3/4 of GOP voters doubted his citizenship was from 2016.

I hark back to the days that Republican spin didn't require time travel.

 

[KCfromNC]

So in essence yes, CRT principals and theory are being taught in the classroom.

If CRT is based on analysis of historical facts, seems pretty inevitable. But teaching the actual history it is based on is a far cry from actually teaching CRT.

 

[Arcangl86]

He released the birth certificate in 2011. The poll posted showing nearly 3/4 of GOP voters doubted his citizenship was from 2016.

I hark back to the days that Republican spin didn't require time travel.

Actually he released it in 2008, before his election. What he released in 2011 was the so-called "long form" which is something that generally is not released by the state of Hawaii to individuals. He had to get a special exception to get it, and that still wasn't enough for some people.

 

[ottawak]

Funny that you are using all the left wing talking points though.



Me too, on that we agree.



Systemic racism is not a thing and we shouldn't be teaching kids there is. White people in general are not privileged and we shouldn't be teaching kids they are.

Very few elderly who grew up in the Jim Crow days and were racist are in power anymore. And I'd like to know really what these new balanced and nuanced ideas are. Often they are are code words for reparations, diversity quotas, white privilege, CRT, BLM et al.

Right. Slavery is over, Jim Crow is over and discrimination is against the law. Black people are entiirely free to act like white people now and it's not our fault if they refuse the opportinity.

 

[Ria23]

Yup, not surprised, it is not CRT you are objecting to, it is the social justice ideas of the last 50 years that have made it into school curriculums, your pile of PDFs demonstrates this. You are just piling on to the latest buzzwords. Further it demonstrates that you have little idea of how educational theories are integrated into teaching.

I have a problem with it not because I object educational theories influencing education (although it would depend on the theory) but because I object to political theories influencing education in public schools.

when I grew up, I went, for a time, to a Christian school. a Christian private school. I don't know if I benefited or did not benefit from it, regardless, at least my parents knew what they had signed me up for. if Christianity or any other religion or in this case a political theory infiltrates a public school or other institution, yes, I have a problem with it. especially so when so many of the public schools do so at the same time.

 

[rjs330]

If CRT is based on analysis of historical facts, seems pretty inevitable. But teaching the actual history it is based on is a far cry from actually teaching CRT.

I agree, we were taught actual history without CRT. Imagine that. So no it's not inevitable.

 

[rjs330]

Slavery is over, Jim Crow is over and discrimination is against the law.

Is this not true?

now and it's not our fault if they refuse the opportinity.

Are the opportunities not there?

Black people are entiirely free to act like white people now

Who says this?

 

[BNR32FAN]

He produced one pretty quickly. But why was he expected to produce one and others weren't?

Who says they didn’t? I would expect that submitting a valid birth certificate would be a requirement for being nominated.

 

[Arcangl86]

Who says they didn’t? I would expect that submitting a valid birth certificate would be a requirement for being nominated.

Because literally nobody has publically released their birth certificate.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Because literally nobody has publically released their birth certificate.

Who said anything about publicly?