Why are some Christians anti Evolution?

[sjastro]

Start a new one!

I think starting a new thread based on an old one is against forum rules.
It's a shame the thread was closed down as the Egyptologist Chris Naunton wanted to make a comment on the general outlook archaeologists have on the Bible.

Hi Steven,
I think we’re in a position at the moment to know what, if any, real-life event(s) might have inspired the Exodus narrative but there is a lot of material that can be brought bear on the debate. You might find the following, recently-published book of interest: The Exodus
Best wishes,
Chris

It would have been good to a have a professional participating in the thread.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think starting a new thread based on an old one is against forum rules.
It's a shame the thread was closed down as the Egyptologist Chris Naunton wanted to make a comment on the general outlook archaeologists have on the Bible.

I don't even know what thread you're talking about.

Was it one of mine?

 

[Halbhh]

I'll highlight a key assumption you'll want to look at closer:

2. All of existence was made as a playground for humans. If humans evolved randomly then it was just chance that we came to be, and then what would be the purpose for the universe existing if humans weren't destined to be? Perhaps these people feel uncomfortable that a universe wasn't destined to have humans, and without humans at the centre of it would be purposeless and therefore goes against the core belief that god created everything for us.

Anyone from any viewpoint would have to agree, just by observation:

The Universe evidently was destined to have humans --> because Here We Are.

So, our 13.8 billion year old Universe was destined to have humans. heh heh

 

[Bradskii]

The Universe evidently was destined to have humans --> because Here We Are here.

And the rain is obviously designed to water the plants in my garden.

 

[stevil]

And the rain is obviously designed to water the plants in my garden.

That was of course the ultimate purpose of this glorious universe.

 

[ottawak]

QV please:

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Obviously written by a Baptist who doesn't know very much about Protestantism. Some of that stuff is not only false, it is positively slanderous.

 

[AV1611VET]

Some of that stuff is not only false, it is positively slanderous.

Tell them that.

(Or will they set you straight?)

 

[ottawak]

Tell them that.

(Or will they set you straight?)

I'll let Christians who are not Baptists but still require total immersion (like, for instance, Seventh Day Adventists) set them straight--if they care. What I am telling you is not to rely on that website.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'll let Christians who are not Baptists but still require total immersion (like, for instance, Seventh Day Adventists) set them straight--if they care. What I am telling you is not to rely on that website.

What website do you suggest we rely on, to show that Baptists aren't Protestants?

 

[ottawak]

What website do you suggest we rely on, to show that Baptists aren't Protestants?

I wouldn't rely on any website as a substitute for actual study of the history of Christian denominations. My question would be, why is it so important to you that Baptists not be Protestants that you are willing to link us to a bogus website like that to convince us?

 

[Hans Blaster]

I wouldn't rely on any website as a substitute for actual study of the history of Christian denominations. My question would be, why is it so important to you that Baptists not be Protestants that you are willing to link us to a bogus website like that to convince us?

This sounds a lot like that other weirdness that gets tossed about that it isn't a religion. It's as if being one religion of many or one denomination of Protestants among many diminishes them somehow.

 

[AV1611VET]

I wouldn't rely on any website as a substitute for actual study of the history of Christian denominations. My question would be, why is it so important to you that Baptists not be Protestants that you are willing to link us to a bogus website like that to convince us?

Fair enough.

I'll take your complaint with a grain of salt.

 

[AV1611VET]

This sounds a lot like that other weirdness that gets tossed about that it isn't a religion. It's as if being one religion of many or one denomination of Protestants among many diminishes them somehow.

We aren't a denomination.

Not even close.

Read The Trail of Blood, by J. M. Carroll.

 

[Hans Blaster]

We aren't a denomination.

Not even close.

Read The Trail of Blood, by J. M. Carroll.

Not interested in gore.

 

[ottawak]

We aren't a denomination.

Not even close.

Read The Trail of Blood, by J. M. Carroll.

If you are not a denomination then you are not a part of Christianity (which is all that "denomination" means). Your two options then become, 1. Baptists aren't Christians or 2. All other Christians are false.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not interested in gore.

Zwingli, Martin Luther, John Calvin, and the Tudors were.

QV also:

"Roman Catholics and Protestants alike persecuted the Anabaptists, resorting to torture and execution in attempts to curb the growth of the movement. The Protestants under Zwingli were the first to persecute the Anabaptists, with Felix Manz becoming the first Anabaptist martyr in 1527. On May 20 or 21, 1527, Roman Catholic authorities executed Michael Sattler. King Ferdinand declared drowning (called the third baptism) "the best antidote to Anabaptism". The Tudor regime, even the Protestant monarchs (Edward VI of England and Elizabeth I of England), persecuted Anabaptists as they were deemed too radical and therefore a danger to religious stability.

The burning of a 16th-century Dutch Anabaptist, Anneken Hendriks, who was charged with heresy.
The persecution of Anabaptists was condoned by the ancient laws of Theodosius I and Justinian I which were passed against the Donatists, and decreed the death penalty for anyone who practised rebaptism. Martyrs Mirror, by Thieleman J. van Braght, describes the persecution and execution of thousands of Anabaptists in various parts of Europe between 1525 and 1660. Continuing persecution in Europe was largely responsible for the mass emigrations to North America by the Amish, Hutterites, and Mennonites. Unlike Calvinists, Anabaptists failed to gain recognition in the Peace of Westphalia of 1648 and as a result, they continued to be persecuted in Europe long after that treaty was signed.

Anabaptism stands out among other groups of martyrs, in the fact that during the reform in the 16th and 17th centuries, 30 to 40 percent of martyrs were women."

SOURCE

 

[AV1611VET]

If you are not a denomination then you are not a part of Christianity (which is all that "denomination" means). Your two options then become, 1. Baptists aren't Christians or 2. All other Christians are false.

Read ... The ... Trail ... Of ... Blood ... by ... J. ... M. ... Carroll ... please.

Better yet, learn what an Independent Fundamental Baptist is.

Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. The term independent refers to the doctrinal position of church autonomy and a refusal to join any affiliated Baptist denomination, convention or hierarchical structure.

SOURCE

 

[ottawak]

Read ... The ... Trail ... Of ... Blood ... by ... J. ... M. ... Carroll ... please.

Better yet, learn what an Independent Fundamental Baptist is.


SOURCE

Being a "denomination" does not imply the existence of or membership in a hierarchical structure. It is enough that Independent Fundamental Baptists have a name that they be called a denomination.

 

[AV1611VET]

Being a "denomination" does not imply the existence of or membership in a hierarchical structure. It is enough that Independent Fundamental Baptists have a name that they be called a denomination.

You're saying that once we take a name, we give up the right to claim we're non-denominational?

 

[ottawak]

You're saying that once we take a name, we give up the right to claim we're non-denominational?

Technically, yes. Although I suspect your point reflects the assumption that the term "denomination" implies an extended heirarchical or leadership structure above the concregation level--which, srictly speaking, it does not. But "denomination" can also refer to a group of congregations with doctrine in common if nothing else.