Why are some Christians anti Evolution?

[AV1611VET]

AV, I see you've chosen to resort to the Frank Turek form of "appeal."

Just remember that there are some psycho-social questions that are only effective when the framing of those questions is agreed upon by your interlocutor prior to engaging and answring them. Otherwise, what are and could be very useful questions--maybe even spot-on questions--end up becoming just another weapon of rhetoric, or worse yet, of mere polemic.

We're not hard communists or capitalists here. As Christians, I think we want to avoid mere polemic.

Fair enough.

My apologies to TLK, and I'll remove the post.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Fair enough.

My apologies to TLK, and I'll remove the post.

Awesome! And I've removed my record of it as well. Be blessed!

 

[eleos1954]

Trust me, I don't. But just as Jesus said that we shall know a man by his fruits, so Aesop said we shall know a man by the company he keeps. There is wisdom to be found in both statements.



If by "Word" you mean "Bible," that's an incorrect interpretation right there.

"Word" = Logos - principle of divine reason and creative order; what John's Gospel calls the Holy Spirit.
"word" = Bible.

Let's not conflate the two.



Oooo... that's almost a naughty word around here: "responsibility."

Because what happens when one fails, or worse, refuses, to live up to that "responsibility"?

Because what happens when one fails, or worse, refuses, to live up to that "responsibility"?

then there are consequences

"Word" = Logos - principle of divine reason and creative order; what John's Gospel calls the Holy Spirit.
"word" = Bible.

The phrase, “the Word of God” or “the Word of the Lord” has a number of different meanings in Scripture. It can mean either something that God has decreed, something that God has said when addressing humans, words that God spoke through the prophets, Jesus Christ, or finally, God’s written Word.

 

[eleos1954]

We are placental mammals,
There are heaps of our placental mammal cousins around today.
Cats, dogs, horses, sheep, cows, elephants, giraffes, hippos, whales etc.

But closer to home we are great apes and our close cousins that still occupy earth are
Chimpanzee, Bonobos, Gorrila, Oragnutan
Neanderthal went extinct.

There is Genetic evidence that shows we interbred with Neanderthals and also with Chimpanzee. But that was a very long time ago.

There is not evidence .... there is data and various theories about that data.

 

[Astrid]

There is not evidence .... there is data and various theories about that data.

A theory must be fully consistent with all ( ALL) relevant data.
One exception, and theory is wrong.

Please give us examples of these alternate theories.

 

[ottawak]

There is not evidence .... there is data and various theories about that data.

If you classify the animals in an orderly fashion by their physical characteristics, you will inevitably classify humans with the apes. Carl Linnaeus was the founder of modern taxonomy and did so, a lifelong devout Christian who did his work well before Darwin, work which stands independently of the theory of evolution.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Independent Fundamental Baptist

I (and I assume others here) try hard not to hold this against you, but some of the worst things I see (from my perspective) from Christians are from IFB preachers.

 

[eleos1954]

If you classify the animals in an orderly fashion by their physical characteristics, you will inevitably classify humans with the apes. Carl Linnaeus was the founder of modern taxonomy and did so, a lifelong devout Christian who did his work well before Darwin, work which stands independently of the theory of evolution.

There aren't any transitions

humanity is (or should be) a "class" within itself. Humans are much different from animals. True they have some things in common ... but that is not to say humans evolved from them. Humans have things in common with insects but that is not to say humans evolved from them.

There are no transitions of animal to human ... only theories.

 

[Hans Blaster]

There aren't any transitions

humanity is (or should be) a "class" within itself. Humans are much different from animals. True they have some things in common ... but that is not to say humans evolved from them. Humans have things in common with insects but that is not to say humans evolved from them.

There are no transitions of animal to human ... only theories.

Do humans have things in common with mammals (a taxonomic "class") and are humans more like mammals or other classes of animals? Equally different from all classes of animals? Of vertebrates?

(I just went to look for which taxonomic level was mammals, and the array of mammal pictures on the Wikipedia page included a meeting between Nixon and Brezhnev. LOL.)

 

[Astrid]

There aren't any transitions

humanity is (or should be) a "class" within itself. Humans are much different from animals. True they have some things in common ... but that is not to say humans evolved from them. Humans have things in common with insects but that is not to say humans evolved from them.

There are no transitions of animal to human ... only theories.

This is all very true, but only if you make up your own meanings
for words and your own facts to go with them.

 

[ottawak]

There aren't any transitions

humanity is (or should be) a "class" within itself. Humans are much different from animals. True they have some things in common ... but that is not to say humans evolved from them. Humans have things in common with insects but that is not to say humans evolved from them.

There are no transitions of animal to human ... only theories.

The taxonomic system doesn't really say anything about evolution. It merely classifies creatures by their physical characteristics. What physical characteristics do you have in mind when you assert that humans are "much different?"

 

[atpollard]

The taxonomic system doesn't really say anything about evolution.

Is there any genus whose species are believed to have not evolved from any common ancestor but converged from two different ancient families? If not, then taxonomy says SOMETHING about evolution.

 

[ottawak]

Is there any genus whose species are believed to have not evolved from any common ancestor but converged from two different ancient families?

I believe there are biologists who hypothesize that insect metamorphosis is the result of the merging of two different ancestral lines. But that would be considered as a part of evolution anyway.

If not, then taxonomy says SOMETHING about evolution.

No, it's the theory of evolution which speaks to taxonomy, not the other way around.

 

[stevil]

There is not evidence .... there is data and various theories about that data.

Genetic data is very strong evidence. For example, there is a marker in the human DNA that most people outside of Africa have and most people inside Africa don't have. Which shows that this DNA marker developed in humans soon after a group of them migrated out of Africa, and that this early migration turned into an eventual migration all over the world.

 

[stevil]

There aren't any transitions

humanity is (or should be) a "class" within itself. Humans are much different from animals. True they have some things in common ... but that is not to say humans evolved from them.

Humans didn't evolve from animals, we still are animals.
There is nothing wrong or degrading about being an animal.

Humans have things in common with insects but that is not to say humans evolved from them.

All living things on earth are related. We are also related to mushrooms. We have common ancestry, but very distant ancestry.

There are no transitions of animal to human ... only theories.

Humans are animals, we didn't stop being one and all of a sudden became something that is a non animal.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Exodus 20 (and I assume here you are particularly referring to Ex 20:11) isn't "proof" oF anything--it's commentary.

I don’t understand what you mean by this. It’s God Himself telling us how long it took to create the world, the heavens, and everything in them. How is it not proof?

 

[rockytopva]

We have 7,000 years of recorded human history. This is why I am anti-evolution. It is not like we can say… “In the year 1,200,570 BC Professor Collins becomes the first to notice the health benefits of the bean.”

 

[BNR32FAN]

I chose to say it didn't happen the way you choose to read it. You don't own the meaning of the text, you merely ascribe meaning to it.

There’s only one truth. We can’t choose what we want to believe or what we don’t want to believe and still call it truth. If what we believe directly contradicts what is specifically stated in the scriptures then it is not sound doctrine.

 

[Astrid]

There’s only one truth. We can’t choose what we want to believe or what we don’t want to believe and still call it truth. If what we believe directly contradicts what is specifically stated in the scriptures then it is not sound doctrine.

And yet you do choose which religion to believe in, and then which
exact interpretation of the Bible to believe how literally, and, it seems.
call it truth.

 

[TLK Valentine]

then there are consequences

So I've heard... but it seems like a rumor at this point.

The phrase, “the Word of God” or “the Word of the Lord” has a number of different meanings in Scripture. It can mean either something that God has decreed, something that God has said when addressing humans, words that God spoke through the prophets, Jesus Christ, or finally, God’s written Word.

...in your opinion, which is neither the Word nor the word of any god I've ever heard of.