What Laws?

[HIM]

God has said, a new covenant he has made with us. He says, He will put His laws in our hearts and in our minds.

Now God is faithful. He did not leave us to our own surmising in regards To this seriously important topic.

You see in Deuteronomy 29:1 a second covenant was given prior to Israel entering into the promise land mirroring or being the second covenant given to God’s people prior to us entering into the promise land; the new heaven and new earth.

For God has said, He will circumcise our hearts to love Him with all hearts. The circumcision made without hands in the the putting off the body, the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ. For His word, His Commandments and statutes which are written in the book of the law our nigh thee. In thy mouth and in thy heart that ye may do it. That is the word of Faith in which we preach. For Christ through which the word, His commandments and statutes which are written in the book of the law are in our hearts, minds and mouths is the end of the Law on parchment and tables of stone for righteousness for all them whom believe. For we are dead nevertheless we live yet not us but Christ lives in us and the life we now live in the flesh, we live by the FAITH OF the Son of God whom gave himself for us. For he that has been baptized into Christ has put on Christ, that the body of sin be destroyed. That the righteousness of God be fulfilled In us. Who walk after the spirit, Christ and not after the flesh. For it is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.

Deuteronomy 29:1 These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.

Deuteronomy 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Deuteronomy 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deuteronomy 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deuteronomy 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deuteronomy 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deuteronomy 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
Deuteronomy 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Romans 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above)
Romans 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

 

[BobRyan]

Yes agreed.!

We see the NEW Cov (Gospel Covenant) in Deuteronomy because as Galatians reminds us:

• Gal 1:6-9 only ONE Gospel,
  
• that ONE "Gospel was preached to Abraham " Gal 3:8

 

[HIM]

Yes agreed.!

We see the NEW Cov (Gospel Covenant) in Deuteronomy because as Galatians reminds us:

• Gal 1:6-9 only ONE Gospel,
  
• that ONE "Gospel was preached to Abraham " Gal 3:8

Amen nice addition to the OP!
Praying you have a nice Sabbath Bob. May the Lord continue to bless us in all His way; Christ Jesus

 

[DamianWarS]

Now God is faithful. He did not leave us to our own surmising in regards To this seriously important topic.

that's right he gave us the Holy Spirit.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

that's right he gave us the Holy Spirit.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Acts 2:38 38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 5:32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

 

[DamianWarS]

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Acts 2:38 38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 5:32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

are you conflating "My commandments" with a select group of commandments from the old testament?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

are you conflating "My commandments" with a select group of commandments from the old testament?

Are you suggesting that Jesus and God are at odds with their laws?

Jesus was reading and teaching from the Old Testament and often quoted from it as we see here...

God said right in the Ten Commandments: Exodus 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Jesus quoted verbatim John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.
John did as well: For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments

Matthew 19:17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ” quoted directly from the Ten Commandments and the greatest commandments from the law of Moses on how we are to love our neighbor.

Matthew 5: 21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.


27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

God writes His laws in our hearts and minds in the New Covenant Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10 as we see clearly demonstrated by Jesus.


There appears to be no conflict from Jesus and God on the laws, since they are One according to scripture. John 10:30 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. John 6:38

 

[Leaf473]

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

One thing I noticed is that Jesus is asked essentially the same question as this thread title.

Without hesitation he gives a list. Some from the ten commandments, but not all of them. One from the laws spoken to Moses, but not all of them.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

One thing I noticed is that Jesus is asked essentially the same question as this thread title.

Without hesitation he gives a list. Some from the ten commandments, but not all of them. One from the laws spoken to Moses, but not all of them.

Yes, Jesus was quoting most of the commandments on how we are to love our neighbor both from the Ten Commandments and the law of Moses on the greatest commandments. I don't think its a good argument to make that because Jesus did not say "Thou shalt not worship other gods" or "we should love God with all your might" that it means we are free to break those commandments and laws. Jesus is quoting from the Ten Commandments because breaking any of them is still a sin Romans 7:7, Romans 3:20, 1 John 3:4 and in danger of judgement James 2:10-12, Revelation 11:18-19, Matthew 5:21 Hebrews 10:26-30 without repentance and turning from sin. Acts 2:38 Jesus quotes we are to keep the least of the commandments Matthew 5:19, which means all of them.

 

[Leaf473]

Yes, Jesus was quoting most of the commandments on how we are to love our neighbor both from the Ten Commandments and the law of Moses on the greatest commandments. I don't think its a good argument to make that because Jesus did not say "Thou shalt not worship other gods" or "we should love God with all your might" that it means we are free to break those commandments and laws. Jesus is quoting from the Ten Commandments because breaking any of them is still a sin Romans 7:7, Romans 3:20, 1 John 3:4 and in danger of judgement James 2:10-12, Revelation 11:18-19, Matthew 5:21 Hebrews 10:26-30 without repentance and turning from sin. Acts 2:38 Jesus quotes we are to keep the least of the commandments Matthew 5:19, which means all of them.

A few things that stand out to me in the story:

It takes place under the old Covenant. Jesus says other things under the old Covenant that very few Christians follow today.

The man's question emphasizes his own strength and ability to do works,
What must *I do*...?

The man is asking a very specific question about how to obtain eternal life. He's not asking how to obtain righteousness.

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But the thing that stood out to me just today, the thing that I found interesting, was that the man asks Jesus Which laws, and Jesus responds with a list, apparently without missing a beat. How many people can do that?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

A few things that stand out to me in the story:

It takes place under the old Covenant. Jesus says other things under the old Covenant that very few Christians follow today.

God's Ten Commandments has not changed from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant, this is not a teaching from scriptures and why there is only a remnant who still keep the commandments of God until the very end, not the majority according to scripture.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

God wrote His laws in our hearts and minds in the New Covenant Jeremiah 31:33 and Hebrews 8:10. God did not delete His laws in the New Covenant- they are written on the heart and we obey because we love. John 14:15, 1 John 5:3, John 15:10 and they are written in our minds so we are doers of the Word and not just hearers. James 1:22, Romans 2:12

Jesus left us the example to follow while WALKING ON EARTH. This teaching that we should be doing something completely different than what Jesus taught and followed is not a teaching coming from scripture. 1 Peter 2:22-25

Jesus commissioned the apostles:
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Which is why we see the apostles teaching and keeping the commandments of God after Jesus descended back to heaven.

Paul says: What matters is keeping the commandments of God. 1 Cor 7:19
John said: For this is the love of God that we keep His commandments 1 John 5:3

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. Revelation 14:12

But the thing that stood out to me just today, the thing that I found interesting, was that the man asks Jesus Which laws, and Jesus responds with a list, apparently without missing a beat. How many people can do that?

It shouldn't be that hard if you follow scripture. One wise man said:

Ecclesiastics 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all.

The man is asking a very specific question about how to obtain eternal life. He's not asking how to obtain righteousness.

You seem to be making an argument no one is making. If you are not granted grace and eternal life, you will not be righteous. Righteous means doing the right thing.

 

[Leaf473]

God's Ten Commandments has not changed from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant, this is not a teaching from scriptures and why there is only a remnant who still keep the commandments of God until the very end, not the majority according to scripture.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

God wrote His laws in our hearts and minds in the New Covenant Jeremiah 31:33 and Hebrews 8:10. God did not delete His laws in the New Covenant- they are written on the heart and we obey because we love. John 14:15, 1 John 5:3, John 15:10 and they are written in our minds so we are doers of the Word and not just hearers. James 1:22, Romans 2:12

Jesus left us the example to follow while WALKING ON EARTH. This teaching that we should be doing something completely different than what Jesus taught and followed is not a teaching coming from scripture. 1 Peter 2:22-25

Jesus commissioned the apostles:
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Which is why we see the apostles teaching and keeping the commandments of God after Jesus descended back to heaven.

Paul says: What matters is keeping the commandments of God. 1 Cor 7:19
John said: For this is the love of God that we keep His commandments 1 John 5:3

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. Revelation 14:12




It shouldn't be that hard if you follow scripture. One wise man said:

Ecclesiastics 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all.





You seem to be making an argument no one is making. If you are not granted grace and eternal life, you will not be righteous. Righteous means doing the right thing.

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It shouldn't be that hard if you follow scripture. One wise man said:

Ecclesiastics 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all.

I agree, no reason for it to be hard.

But... those who "keep the Sabbath" here haven't yet been able to do it.

Generally speaking, though, those who take an approach of The commandments that we are to follow are things like love one another as I have loved you,
those folks seem able to list which commandments.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

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I agree, no reason for it to be hard.

But... those who "keep the Sabbath" here haven't yet been able to do it.

Generally speaking, though, those who take an approach of The commandments that we are to follow are things like love one another as I have loved you,
those folks seem able to list which commandments.

Love is the fulfillment of the law. The first 4 commandments are our moral duty and how we show love to God and the last 6 how we show love to each other. Love fulfills the law when we are keeping the commandments as it is stated over and over in scripture. John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3, Exodus 20:6

What the majority do is not a concern to me, but what is written from God is. I pray for my fellow man who chooses not to obey God’s commandments, but I listen and obey God.

I disagree that the law from Sabbath keepers here has discussed in depth by multiple posters, but you see things different and thats your right.

God bless and take care.

 

[Leaf473]

Love is the fulfillment of the law. The first 4 commandments are our moral duty and how we show love to God and the last 6 how we show love to each other. Love fulfills the law when we are keeping the commandments as it is stated over and over in scripture. John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3, Exodus 20:6

What the majority do is not a concern to me, but what is written from God is. I pray for my fellow man who chooses not to obey God’s commandments, but I listen and obey God.

I disagree that the law from Sabbath keepers here has discussed in depth by multiple posters, but you see things different and thats your right.

God bless and take care.

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I disagree that the law from Sabbath keepers here has discussed in depth by multiple posters...

I agree that "Which commandments" have been described, but not listed.

That's what I thought was so cool about what Jesus did, he just rattled them off.

He was always "ready to give an account", wasn't he?

 

[DamianWarS]

Are you suggesting that Jesus and God are at odds with their laws?

the covenants are not at odds with each other but you do have a logic problem since there are far greater than 10 laws, do you keep and teach them all? so why do the 10 get lifted out of their covenant and into the next while the rest stay behind? Or maybe you accept more laws than the 10, the point still remains why does the practice of some pass over to the next but others don't? you seem to refuse to look at this critically and continue saying that when the NT says 'X' it actually means 'Y' with no substance to support it. How many times will you post a verse that says "commandments of God" and say it means keeping the 10 before you actually address the issue of why you're making that conclusion?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

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I agree that "Which commandments" have been described, but not listed.

That's what I thought was so cool about what Jesus did, he just rattled them off.

He was always "ready to give an account", wasn't he?

Yes, Jesus taught we should keep the Ten Commandments much like what most the Sabbath keepers here post about, because the Ten Commandments are on a whole different foundation written personally by our Creator and Savior!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

the covenants are not at odds with each other but you do have a logic problem since there are far greater than 10 laws, do you keep and teach them all? so why do the 10 get lifted out of their covenant and into the next while the rest stay behind? Or maybe you accept more laws than the 10, the point still remains why does the practice of some pass over to the next but others don't? you seem to refuse to look at this critically and continue saying that when the NT says 'X' it actually means 'Y' with no substance to support it. How many times will you post a verse that says "commandments of God" and say it means keeping the 10 before you actually address the issue of why you're making that conclusion?

I’m going to let God decide if I have a logic problem as you claim, because it might not be me with that problem. I am also going to ask you if you are going to make an accusation about me than please quote me saying what you accuse me of, not quote you saying what you are accusing me of. You will never find me post that we are only to keep the Ten Commandments and nothing more.

All of God’s laws are written in the heart and mind in the New Covenant Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33. There are some changes in the New Covenant which is spelled out for us in Hebrews. We are no longer under the sacrificial system of food and meat offerings because Jesus is our Sacrifice for sins. Hebrews 10. The Levitical priesthood changed because Jesus is our High Priest now mediating on our behalf. Physical circumcision is no longer a requirement which is the symbol of our sins being cut away and is replaced by baptism. What you won’t see deleted in the New Covenant is the Ten Commandments personally written by the finger of God and shown in the NT for everyday Christian living, so when you see “If you love Me keep My commandments, that includes the Ten Commandments which God made abundantly clear when He wrote those exact Words right in the Ten Commandments Exodus 20:6 which Jesus verbatim repeated John 14:15. God bless.

 

[DamianWarS]

I’m going to let God decide if I have a logic problem as you claim, because it might not be me with that problem. I am also going to ask you if you are going to make an accusation about me than please quote me saying what you accuse me of, not quote you saying what you are accusing me of. You will never find me post that we are only to keep the Ten Commandments and nothing more.

as I previously mentioned if you value more than the 10 it still is the same point. why are some valued and others not? That's the logic problem and why its not being critically addressed. You are discriminating the law yet use verses that say to not discriminate the law in support of your position, that's the logic problem.

All of God’s laws are written in the heart and mind in the New Covenant Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33. There are some changes in the New Covenant which is spelled out for us in Hebrews. We are no longer under the sacrificial system of food and meat offerings because Jesus is our Sacrifice for sins. Hebrews 10. The Levitical Priesthood changed because Jesus is our High Priest now mediating on our behalf. Physical circumcision is no longer a requirement which is the symbol of our sins being cut away and is replaced by baptism. What you won’t see deleted in the New Covenant is the Ten Commandments personally written by the finger of God and shown in the NT for everyday Christian living, so when you see “If you love Me keep My commandments, that includes the Ten Commandments which God made abundantly clear when He wrote those exact Words right in the Ten Commandments Exodus 20:6 which Jesus verbatim repeated John 14:15. God bless.

God's law written in our hearts and mind is still the same problem. why is it some laws make it to the heart and others don't? you're still not critically addressing this.

"some changes" in the New Covenant that you seem to have separated into sacrificial but then that doesn't work with circumcision so you have a special condition for that one and call it a symbol freely replacing it with another practice. so what about the laws the NT doesn't mention like mixing grains, trimming beards and mixing threads? what area do they fall under? Do you keep those or do you write them off? if the latter why? what is your motivation behind what you keep and what you don't? You seem to still fall back on saying "If you love Me keep My commandments" and then remind me that includes the 10 commandments. What else does it include? what's your criteria for including these unknown number of laws?

if laws like circumcision have a greater symbolic meaning then what about the sabbath? does it not have a deeper meaning as well? So why is it physical circumcision falls out of practice in favour of the symbolic and Sabbath stays in practice? Are not both signs of their covenants? are not both everlasting commandments? why is one valued in the physical but the other not? This goes back to not critically engaging this question and reverting to a "because God says so" sentiment.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

as I previously mentioned if you value more than the 10 it still is the same point. why are some valued and others not? That's the logic problem and why its not being critically addressed. You are discriminating the law yet use verses that say to not discriminate the law in support of your position, that's the logic problem.

Why did God place only the Ten Commandments inside the ark of the Covenant in the Most Holy of His Temple, which is also revealed in Heaven Revelation 11:19 and not the others ? Why did God only write the Ten Commandments with His own finger and not all of the laws? I think you might want to take your argument up with the Author of the Ten Commandments.

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God's law written in our hearts and mind is still the same problem. why is it some laws make it to the heart and others don't? you're still not critically addressing this..

Please quote me saying this, I think the problem with our communications is you keep quoting yourself and not me and than seem to think I am the one saying it. God wrote all of His laws in our hearts and minds in the New Covenant - how clear is that? Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33. In the New Covenant it spells out what changed. Do you think we are to have animal and food offerings for forgiveness of sins in the New Covenant? If so why or why not? Do we still go to the Levitical priest in the New Covenant or is Jesus our High Priest now in the New Covenant? If so, why or why not? Is circumcision still a requirement in the New Covenant. Why or why not. Scripture please.

if laws like circumcision have a greater symbolic meaning then what about the sabbath? does it not have a deeper meaning as well? So why is it physical circumcision falls out of practice in favour of the symbolic and Sabbath stays in practice? Are not both signs of their covenants? are not both everlasting commandments? why is one valued in the physical but the other not? This goes back to not critically engaging this question and reverting to a "because God says so" sentiment.

This is what it always comes down to, not the other 9 commandments of the Ten, just the Sabbath commandment, the one that requires our time, the one where God told us to “Remember” so forgetting to keep it is not an option for me. Why do you single out the Sabbath commandment, God wrote Ten Commandments with His own finger, not nine. Exodus 34:28 Exodus 20. Where do you see circumcision in with the Ten Commandments? Exodus 20 why are you trying to make those the same set of laws when God did not? How clear does Paul make it when it comes to circumcision over the commandments of God which of course includes the 4th commandment?

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

It appears your argument is with the scripture and not me. Take care.

 

[Bob S]

If We have love in our hearts we don't need the 101 ten commandments written on stones. Having love in our hearts gives us a doctorate degree on what is sin, not just nine ways.

The other commandment give only to the now defunct Israel has nothing to do with anyone today. When Israel lost the covenant agreement with God, the words of that covenant ended too. "My commandments" found in the new covenant refer to the Royal Law of Love. Jn15:9-14, James2:8, 1Jn3:19-24.