Without goading, it's now 2022. What timetables proved incorrect?

[claninja]

Firstly; I am not a Prophet. Just a messenger.

a messenger that incorrectly interpreted the prophets and gave an interpretation that failed to come pass.

 

[keras]

He’s still describing the destruction of the temple.

Your opinion.
Not that of anyone who read the plain Words, which simply do not relate to the first Century.

Since The people who today occupy the land of Israel today have no verifiable relationship to the pre desolation hebrews, not genetically, not politically, not religiously, it is demonstrably incorrect to make the claim "They are back", since "they who are there now" have no relation to the pre desolation people at all. "They" are not "back".

I agree.
The "Israel' currently in a small part of the holy Land; are a false Israel. They do represent the House of Judah, but they remain in rejection of their Messiah and now face their final punishment; Jeremiah 12:14, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Romans 9:27

 

[keras]

a messenger that incorrectly interpreted the prophets and gave an interpretation that failed to come pass.

Got a barrow full of stones ready?

What the Prophets say about the time before Jesus Returns, has NOT yet 'failed to come to pass'. They could commence happening tomorrow!
Ezekiel 33:33 says: When it comes [the Judgments and punishments prophesied] as surely it will; then you will know there has been a prophet in your midst.

 

[Hammster]

Your opinion.
Not that of anyone who read the plain Words, which simply do not relate to the first Century.

Not my opinion. I can go step by step and show how the events in Matthew 24 happened during that generation in whom Jess was talking to.

 

[parousia70]

They do represent the House of Judah

How?
Not Genetically, Not Religiously, not politically... so How?

 

[claninja]

has NOT yet 'failed to come to pass'.

Another straw man. I never said they “failed to come to pass”. I just don’t agree with YOUR interpretation on how they come to pass. YOUR message failed to come to pass, just like many other futurist predictions, hence the start of this thread.

the prophets proclaimed the days of the first century:

acts 3:24 24Indeed, all the prophets from Samuel on, as many as have spoken, have proclaimed these days.

 

[keras]

Not my opinion. I can go step by step and show how the events in Matthew 24 happened during that generation in whom Jess was talking to.

Look at Matthew 24:37-41: When did any event similar to what happened in Noah's time; take place during the last 2000 years?

What is sure, from all the Prophets, is that the Lord is going to change this world in a very dramatic way.
Ignoring the warnings, may be a fatal mistake.

How?
Not Genetically, Not Religiously, not politically... so How?

Literally.
Most of the world believe the Jews represent the Israel that God chose so long ago. Even most Christians think they are, which suits those who have been deceived by the 'rapture to heaven' theory.

When the Lord takes action on His Day of vengeance and fiery wrath, they will be virtually wiped out. Isaiah 22:14, Zephaniah 1:14-18, +

the prophets proclaimed the days of the first century:

They referred to the Christian era.
We have what the ancients didn't; the Salvation offered by Jesus.

 

[Hammster]

Look at Matthew 24:37-41: When did any event similar to what happened in Noah's time; take place during the last 2000 years?

What is sure, from all the Prophets, is that the Lord is going to change this world in a very dramatic way.
Ignoring the warnings, may be a fatal mistake.

It happened in the first century. And you are correct in that it was a fatal mistake for those in that generation to ignore it.

 

[parousia70]

Literally.
Most of the world believe the Jews represent the Israel that God chose so long ago. Even most Christians think they are, which suits those who have been deceived by the 'rapture to heaven' theory.

Seems you mean “by imagination” when you say “literally” then.

When the Lord takes action on His Day of vengeance and fiery wrath, they will be virtually wiped out. Isaiah 22:14, Zephaniah 1:14-18, +

Can you show me even one example from scripture or history where God ever took vengeance on a certain people, by wiping out a completely different people that had nothing to do with the people His vengeance is directed toward?

“Vengeance” is a very specific punishment, to avenge wrongdoing.

Yet you have God “taking vengeance” on a completely separate and distinct people that have no relation - besides in the imagination of themselves and others, Which his own word rejects as evidence of inclusion in that group - to the people His justice is directed toward.

 

[Timtofly]

Can you show me even one example from scripture or history where God ever took vengeance on a certain people, by wiping out a completely different people that had nothing to do with the people His vengeance is directed toward?

Nineveh in Jonah. God was about to wipe out Assyria. They repented and God used Assyria to wipe out the ten northern tribes instead.

Your point may be about thousands of years of time and many generations removed. God does not see time like we do. So, no, wiping out people generations removed and thousands of years later, does not make sense to us, but God is not us, and we are not God.

If one thought about it, God is only symbolically longsuffering. God has not been sitting around for thousands of years waiting. Humans have been sitting around on earth for thousands of years waiting for God or at the least the time God alloted for humans to sit around and be patient with God.

 

[parousia70]

Nineveh in Jonah. God was about to wipe out Assyria. They repented and God used Assyria to wipe out the ten northern tribes instead.

So you are saying God wiped out the ten northern tribes to avenge Assyria's wrongdoing, even though Assyria repented?

Can you show me the scripture that specifically teaches this?

 

[Timtofly]

So you are saying God wiped out the ten northern tribes to avenge Assyria's wrongdoing, even though Assyria repented?

Can you show me the scripture that specifically teaches this?

God did not destroy Nineveh, but did destroy the ten tribes using those from Nineveh. If God had destroyed Nineveh, who would have destroyed the ten tribes?

"for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil. Therefore now, O Lord, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for it is better for me to die than to live."

Jonah was ready to die. Die for what, the judgment God pronounced on Nineveh?

Why not? Isaiah 10:4-6

"Without me they shall bow down under the prisoners, and they shall fall under the slain. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still. O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation. I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets."

Nineveh repented of their wickedness. Yet Israel went after the gods, those Assyrian's gave up. So God used the Assyrians whom He forgave to punish the ten tribes who followed after the gods, he was going to punish Nineveh for.

Or as you say, God used Assyria to punish them for naught.

 

[claninja]

They referred to the Christian era.
We have what the ancients didn't; the Salvation offered by Jesus.

Peter didn’t say “Christian era”. Peter said “these days”. As Christ fulfilled everything written about him (Luke 24:44), then we know “these days” refer to the first century.

 

[keras]

Yet you have God “taking vengeance” on a completely separate and distinct people that have no relation - besides in the imagination of themselves and others, Which his own word rejects as evidence of inclusion in that group - to the people His justice is directed toward.

The citizens of the Jewish State of Israel, are a mixed race peoples. This is easily proved by walking the streets of Jerusalem.
Bu they are the current representatives of the ancient tribe of Judah, whether they are actual descendants or not.
THEY are seen by most of the world as the recipients of God's Promises to Israel. A totally incorrect belief.
Israeli's are more than half; atheist's and are in no way God's chosen people, as they continue to reject Jesus.

Anyone who thinks God won't punish them, has failed to read the over 20 Prophesies which say He will virtually destroy them.

 

[keras]

God did not destroy Nineveh, but did destroy the ten tribes using those from Nineveh

The Assyrian conquest of the ten Northern tribes of the House of Israel, was not a destruction, it was an exile and a dispersion.
They are still on earth and God knows who and where they are, Amos 9:9, now as many as the sands of the sea; the Christian peoples.

 

[keras]

Peter didn’t say “Christian era”. Peter said “these days”. As Christ fulfilled everything written about him (Luke 24:44), then we know “these days” refer to the first century.

In no way has 'all that was Written about Jesus', been fulfilled.
We look forward to His glorious Return as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

 

[DavidPT]

Can you show me even one example from scripture or history where God ever took vengeance on a certain people, by wiping out a completely different people that had nothing to do with the people His vengeance is directed toward?

“Vengeance” is a very specific punishment, to avenge wrongdoing.

Yet you have God “taking vengeance” on a completely separate and distinct people that have no relation - besides in the imagination of themselves and others, Which his own word rejects as evidence of inclusion in that group - to the people His justice is directed toward.

There are interpretations that lead to similar absurdities, For example.

Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.


Some interpreters have verse 2 involving what took place in 70 AD. What took place in 70 AD was God's vengeance on unbelieving Jews that continued to reject the sacrifice of His Son who instead continued sacrificing animals. What did not happen at the time was the LORD then going forth on behalf of the unbelieving Jews He was taking vengeance upon, by then fighting against those nations, which would have to be meaning the Romans if verse 2 is pertaining to 70 AD.

And since I can discern from what you wrote in this post that I'm addressing, that you don't accept obvious absurdities as being valid interpretations, as neither do I, since it would be absurd to think God ever takes vengeance on a certain people, by wiping out a completely different people that had nothing to do with the people His vengeance is directed toward, I then trust you are not one that interprets Zechariah 14:2 to be involving 70 AD, because, in light of verse 3 it causes an obvious absurdity if verse 2 is pertaining to 70 AD, and that if you instead see verse 2 pertaining to 70 AD regardless, this somewhat contradicts what you are arguing in general, that God doesn't do things that lead to obvious absurdities.

I guess what my point is in general, what usually leads to obvious absurdities is when one's interpretation is obviously incorrect. If God is not going to do something absurd involving the point you were making, He is not going to do anything absurd involving Zechariah 14:2-3 either, as an example.

 

[parousia70]

Nineveh repented of their wickedness. Yet Israel went after the gods, those Assyrian's gave up. So God used the Assyrians whom He forgave to punish the ten tribes who followed after the gods, he was going to punish Nineveh for.

Or as you say, God used Assyria to punish them for naught.

No, I'm saying God punished them for THEIR wrongdoing, not Nineveh's, which you have just confirmed.

 

[parousia70]

Anyone who thinks God won't punish them, has failed to read the over 20 Prophesies which say He will virtually destroy them.

Yet even you admit "They" are not the "Them" that the over 20 prophesies state God punishes.

 

[parousia70]

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle."

Can you supply some scriptural examples of this?

How did God, previous to the penning of this scripture, "fight in the day of Battle"? For Zechariah is stating He would fight this battle in the same way as He had fought previously.

Where can we find examples of How God Fought His previous battles?

I know of several scriptural examples of this, but they do not support your contention. I'm wondering if you have any that do?

I then trust you are not one that interprets Zechariah 14:2 to be involving 70 AD, because, in light of verse 3 it causes an obvious absurdity if verse 2 is pertaining to 70 AD, and that if you instead see verse 2 pertaining to 70 AD regardless, this somewhat contradicts what you are arguing in general, that God doesn't do things that lead to obvious absurdities.

Well I do, for Rome Lead a coalation of "all nations" (cf: Acts 2:5) to attack Israel, and though God had used the coalation lead by Rome as a weapon against Israel, In A.D. 69, the war in Israel came to an abrupt halt while Rome was torn apart by civil war and countless calamities resulting in the death of four Caesar’s over the course of just one year. That year Rome suffered what may have been its most tumultuous year in its long history as God fought against them, the same way as He did before, in the day of Battle. (cf: Isaiah 19:1-2)

I trust you are one who Interprets Zechariah 14:8, as Jesus Does, as being fulfilled during Jesus' earthly ministry in John 7:38-39.