Evolution happens

[ruthiesea]

In that case, the same goes for Humpty Dumpty.

As long as I understand Humpty Dumpty is neither a history book nor a science book, Humpty Dumpty is 100% correct.

But it is not a book of how to live a righteous life.

 

[AV1611VET]

But it is not a book of how to live a righteous life.

I'll tell you what, ruthie, let's just consider the Bible to be a holy Book and let it go at that.

How's that?

It is a holy Book that is our standard for faith and practice, and It contains history; but is not in and of Itself a history book.

Fair enough?

 

[coffee4u]

Evolution happens.
It has been happening a long time, and will happen as long as life continues to exist.

Evolution is not atheism. Nor does it invalidate christianity.
Much of the early work on understanding evolution was done by christians.

Mistake one, we don't have to hide behind any religion. It's scripture pure and simple.
Which shows the speaker which i guess is yourself? Doesn't even understand what he is arguing against.

Mistake two, we represent the gospel. That there was no sin before death. This is what the important point is. Not to say some don't get sidetracked into other areas or not fully understand that, but this is what it's actually about. No sin before death.

Mistake three, belief in 6 day creation and that sin brought about death has nothing to do with politics. People could be both creationists and into politics, the same way one could be a vegetarian and into politics but one has nothing to do with the other.

Mistake four. We have no issue with real science, we only take issue when science claims to have proof over something that no longer exists and cannot be tested which is then is used to twist scripture.
The ones who care what science is doing or saying are the creation scientists which you have lumped in with with scriptural creationists. Scriptural creationists really don't care what science claims, but we get dragged into it continually. We are as tired of the science talk as you appear to be of creation talk.

Only a minute twenty in and I already see enough mistakes to make up an entire post.

 

[AV1611VET]

Mistake one, we don't have to hide behind any religion. It's scripture pure and simple.
Which shows the speaker which i guess is yourself? Doesn't even understand what he is arguing against.

Mistake two, we represent the gospel. That there was no sin before death. This is what the important point is. Not to say some don't get sidetracked into other areas or not fully understand that, but this is what it's actually about. No sin before death.

Mistake three, belief in 6 day creation and that sin brought about death has nothing to do with politics. People could be both creationists and into politics, the same way one could be a vegetarian and into politics but one has nothing to do with the other.

Mistake four. We have no issue with real science, we only take issue when science claims to have proof over something that no longer exists and cannot be tested which is then is used to twist scripture.
The ones who care what science is doing or saying are the creation scientists which you have lumped in with with scriptural creationists. Scriptural creationists really don't care what science claims, but we get dragged into it continually. We are as tired of the science talk as you appear to be of creation talk.

Only a minute twenty in and I already see enough mistakes to make up an entire post.

Excellent post!

 

[AV1611VET]

Dan, you want to talk about Young Earth Creationism, but everything you say after that has nothing to do with Young Earth Creationism.

What do our cousins, or the process of evolution, have to do with the events of the Creation Week?

Your talking points are about things that happened well after that.

If you want to talk about Young Earth Creationism, then talk about planets and moons and stars coming into existence ex nihilo and raising the level of mass/energy in the universe accordingly.

Don't talk about the popes, and lawyers, and a host of other side issues, or you're just wasting time.

That's like saying, "Let's talk about the starter in your car," then going off on a tangent about going to the filling station and getting gas.

 

[ruthiesea]

I'll tell you what, ruthie, let's just consider the Bible to be a holy Book and let it go at that.

How's that?

It is a holy Book that is our standard for faith and practice, and It contains history; but is not in and of Itself a history book.

Fair enough?

I did not deny that.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Yes, it does.

No. It does not.

So all the other components have been plutoed now?

Huh?
Please define "plutoed"?

Another rigged vote?

Huh?
What are you even on about?

What "event"?

The formation of the moon.

According to science, there were five events (plural) preceding biological evolution:

1. particulate
2. galactic
3. stellar
4. planetary
5. chemical
6. then comes bioloogical

1. 
   No. Thats according to Kent Hovind. Not science.

No kidding -- but [allegedly] there was evolution going on.

No evidence to support the allegation you make.

Right -- and I'm Genghis Khan.

Wow.
Please give back AV

Until a new one comes out, the evidence is reinterpreted, or a vote is rigged.

No. Thats still not how reality works.

Right?

Wrong

 

[Mr Laurier]

Just don't tell me Pluto has nothing to do with evolution, or I'll sick Harvard on you.

Pluto has nothing to do with evolution.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Planetary Evolution is linked to Chemical Evolution, which then links to Biological Evolution.

All three are under the umbrella of: Cosmic Evolution.

Along with four others: Particulate, Galactic, Stellar, and Cultural.

No. Just no.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Mistake one, we don't have to hide behind any religion. It's scripture pure and simple.
Which shows the speaker which i guess is yourself? Doesn't even understand what he is arguing against.

Mistake two, we represent the gospel. That there was no sin before death. This is what the important point is. Not to say some don't get sidetracked into other areas or not fully understand that, but this is what it's actually about. No sin before death.

Mistake three, belief in 6 day creation and that sin brought about death has nothing to do with politics. People could be both creationists and into politics, the same way one could be a vegetarian and into politics but one has nothing to do with the other.

Mistake four. We have no issue with real science, we only take issue when science claims to have proof over something that no longer exists and cannot be tested which is then is used to twist scripture.
The ones who care what science is doing or saying are the creation scientists which you have lumped in with with scriptural creationists. Scriptural creationists really don't care what science claims, but we get dragged into it continually. We are as tired of the science talk as you appear to be of creation talk.

Only a minute twenty in and I already see enough mistakes to make up an entire post.

And you must invent "mistakes" to attribute to me.

 

[Ophiolite]

No. Just no.

I am compelled, by a sense of precision, to note that AV has presented a distorted description of a valid concept.

From the energies of the Big Bang, particles emerged, then atoms, building molecules. Stars and galaxies followed in due course (with the role of giant black holes in their formation still uncertain). Supernovae seeded interstellar space wtih atoms of higher atomic weight making rocky planets a possibility. On some, well at least one, the chemistry got complex enough for life to appear and evolve, until intelligence and consciousness and culture emerged.

You know all this. I understand that calling these developments, or the emergence of increasing levels of complexity, evolution is ambiguous, but it is not incorrect. Just something to reflect on.

 

[AV1611VET]

Pluto has nothing to do with evolution.

QV please:

"To be sure, change is ubiquitous in Nature. Some of that change is subtle, such as when our Sun shines daily or Earth’s continents drift slowly. Other change is more dramatic, such as when massive stars explode catastrophically as supernovae or when landmasses fault suddenly as quakes and volcanoes. Regardless of whether Nature is examined macroscopically with a telescope, microscopically with an accelerator, or mesoscopically with our own eyes, we see change. Thus, we give this process of universal change a more elegant name—cosmic evolution, which includes all aspects of evolution: particulate, galactic, stellar, planetary, chemical, biological, and cultural. These are the 7 major epochs along the arrow of time of this Web site. And, as a “gesture to the unknown,” an 8th epoch—future evolution—is included as speculation about the prospects for extraterrestrial life and the survivability of humankind."

SOURCE

 

[AV1611VET]

No. Just no.

Tell Harvard that.

(Or will they put you in your place?)

 

[Yttrium]

Tell Harvard that.

Why would we need to? Who put Harvard in charge of science?

Go see what MIT or Cal Tech say about the topic.

 

[YeshuaFan]

Evolution happens.
It has been happening a long time, and will happen as long as life continues to exist.

Evolution is not atheism. Nor does it invalidate christianity.
Much of the early work on understanding evolution was done by christians.

there is evolution within same species, never into other species! And who are these Christians who championed it and who also held to inspired view of the scriptures?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why would we need to? Who put Harvard in charge of science?

Science is science, isn't it?

Go see what MIT or Cal Tech say about the topic.

Okay.

Wanna come with me?

Reconstructing the Cosmic Evolution of the Chemical Elements

Cosmic Evolution of Active Galactic Nuclei

 

[Yttrium]

Science is science, isn't it?Okay.

Wanna come with me?

Reconstructing the Cosmic Evolution of the Chemical Elements

Cosmic Evolution of Active Galactic Nuclei

They're using the term "cosmic evolution" to distinguish those processes from biologic evolution. They're not in any way related to biologic evolution.

In fact, I'd like to remind people that "evolution" is a common word in our language and doesn't just refer to biologic evolution. You can have all sorts of different kinds of evolution. The evolution of Civilization computer games from version I to version VI is also completely unrelated to biologic evolution.

 

[sjastro]

Science is science, isn't it?Okay.

Wanna come with me?

Reconstructing the Cosmic Evolution of the Chemical Elements

Cosmic Evolution of Active Galactic Nuclei

What has cosmic evolution got to do with evolution in biology?

Here is a physical example of the evolution of a dynamic state using mathematics where the end result is the antithesis of what we would expect of cosmic and biological types of evolution.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Tell Harvard that.

(Or will they put you in your place?)

(What "place" are you making up for me?)

 

[Mr Laurier]

there is evolution within same species, never into other species! And who are these Christians who championed it and who also held to inspired view of the scriptures?

Mr C Darwin.
Mr A Wallace.
Mr T Dobzahansky
Mr J Watson, and Mr F Crick.
And several thousand others.