CNN Poll - 56% of Americans say Joe has done NOTHING they approve of.

[bekkilyn]

Until every single republican out of office and republican party no longer exist.

You'll probably be waiting a while as the Republican party seems to be getting more popular over this past year and are becoming more "big tent" in a way that used to be described of the Democratic party.

 

[civilwarbuff]

You'll probably be waiting a while as the Republican party seems to be getting more popular over this past year and are becoming more "big tent" in a way that used to be described of the Democratic party.

Agreed. The democratic party is being hijacked by the progressive leftists and the true democrats aren't even putting up the facade of resistance. If the progressive leftists succeed I can see 3 political parties (2 'democratic' and one republican) in the near future. Moderate democrats will have no place else to go except to a new party.

 

[Arcangl86]

Seems like you have drank the CRT kool-aid, which is part of the identity Marxism that uses race instead of class.

That makes absolutely no sense. There is no such thing as marxism without class analysis. That's the whole point of Marxism. It's one thing to oppose something, but when you say something that indicates such a fundamental lack of understanding of the thing you are opposed to, it makes it seem you are the one who has drank the kool-aid.

 

[childeye 2]

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Not a right wing source - CNN

I believe the message here is that the internet is filled with propaganda that misleads many Americans.

 

[bekkilyn]

That makes absolutely no sense. There is no such thing as marxism without class analysis. That's the whole point of Marxism. It's one thing to oppose something, but when you say something that indicates such a fundamental lack of understanding of the thing you are opposed to, it makes it seem you are the one who has drank the kool-aid.

A Brief History of Identity Marxism

"The ideology that is most conveniently identified as “Wokeness” is much more accurately described by the phrase Identity Marxism. That is, Wokeness is a Marxian approach to identity politics for similar aims to those Marxism has always touted. In this regard, Critical Race Theory is Race Marxism; Critical Gender Theory is Gender Marxism; Queer Theory is Gender, Sex, and Sexuality Marxism; Fat Studies is Fat Marxism; Postcolonial Theory is Postcolonial Marxism; and Disability Studies is Disability Marxism. All together, working intersectionally, they are one new species of Marxism: Identity Marxism. In this episode of the New Discourses Podcast, James Lindsay walks the listener through a history of the various strains of Marxist thought to make the case that Wokeness is best thought of this way. Indeed, it must be understood this way. In so doing, he elucidates what Marxism really represents as a broad, overarching philosophy (or, religion) and indicates that the various species of Marxism, including vulgar, Cultural, neo-, and now Identity Marxism, are all essentially the same project in different guises. Join him for a penetrating discussion that frames Wokeness as it really is."

Critical Race Theory – The Marxist Trojan Horse

"CRT has its roots in the early 20th Century thought of neo-Marxist Antonio Gramsci, founder of the Italian Communist Party. His desire was to spur on the stalled communism of 19th Century social revolutionists Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels toward an overthrow of the “bourgeoisie” (ruling middle- and upper-class) by the proletariat (working-class). To accomplish this goal, societal norms and institutions, such as family, nation state, capitalism, and God, needed to be torn down, and this is where we begin to see the notion of group-based morality, with the idea that what is moral is what serves the interests of the “oppressed” or “marginalized.”

 

[childeye 2]

A Brief History of Identity Marxism

"The ideology that is most conveniently identified as “Wokeness” is much more accurately described by the phrase Identity Marxism. That is, Wokeness is a Marxian approach to identity politics for similar aims to those Marxism has always touted. In this regard, Critical Race Theory is Race Marxism; Critical Gender Theory is Gender Marxism; Queer Theory is Gender, Sex, and Sexuality Marxism; Fat Studies is Fat Marxism; Postcolonial Theory is Postcolonial Marxism; and Disability Studies is Disability Marxism. All together, working intersectionally, they are one new species of Marxism: Identity Marxism. In this episode of the New Discourses Podcast, James Lindsay walks the listener through a history of the various strains of Marxist thought to make the case that Wokeness is best thought of this way. Indeed, it must be understood this way. In so doing, he elucidates what Marxism really represents as a broad, overarching philosophy (or, religion) and indicates that the various species of Marxism, including vulgar, Cultural, neo-, and now Identity Marxism, are all essentially the same project in different guises. Join him for a penetrating discussion that frames Wokeness as it really is."

Critical Race Theory – The Marxist Trojan Horse

"CRT has its roots in the early 20th Century thought of neo-Marxist Antonio Gramsci, founder of the Italian Communist Party. His desire was to spur on the stalled communism of 19th Century social revolutionists Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels toward an overthrow of the “bourgeoisie” (ruling middle- and upper-class) by the proletariat (working-class). To accomplish this goal, societal norms and institutions, such as family, nation state, capitalism, and God, needed to be torn down, and this is where we begin to see the notion of group-based morality, with the idea that what is moral is what serves the interests of the “oppressed” or “marginalized.”

For what it's worth, this is propaganda. The entire premise is based on changing what woke means.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

You'll probably be waiting a while as the Republican party seems to be getting more popular over this past year and are becoming more "big tent" in a way that used to be described of the Democratic party.

Do you know the percentage of minority support GOP? In 2020 GOP support from 10% African American , 31 Asian, 33 % Hispanic. Is that what you call big tent?

 

[Tiberius Lee]

A Brief History of Identity Marxism

"The ideology that is most conveniently identified as “Wokeness” is much more accurately described by the phrase Identity Marxism. That is, Wokeness is a Marxian approach to identity politics for similar aims to those Marxism has always touted. In this regard, Critical Race Theory is Race Marxism; Critical Gender Theory is Gender Marxism; Queer Theory is Gender, Sex, and Sexuality Marxism; Fat Studies is Fat Marxism; Postcolonial Theory is Postcolonial Marxism; and Disability Studies is Disability Marxism. All together, working intersectionally, they are one new species of Marxism: Identity Marxism. In this episode of the New Discourses Podcast, James Lindsay walks the listener through a history of the various strains of Marxist thought to make the case that Wokeness is best thought of this way. Indeed, it must be understood this way. In so doing, he elucidates what Marxism really represents as a broad, overarching philosophy (or, religion) and indicates that the various species of Marxism, including vulgar, Cultural, neo-, and now Identity Marxism, are all essentially the same project in different guises. Join him for a penetrating discussion that frames Wokeness as it really is."

Critical Race Theory – The Marxist Trojan Horse

"CRT has its roots in the early 20th Century thought of neo-Marxist Antonio Gramsci, founder of the Italian Communist Party. His desire was to spur on the stalled communism of 19th Century social revolutionists Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels toward an overthrow of the “bourgeoisie” (ruling middle- and upper-class) by the proletariat (working-class). To accomplish this goal, societal norms and institutions, such as family, nation state, capitalism, and God, needed to be torn down, and this is where we begin to see the notion of group-based morality, with the idea that what is moral is what serves the interests of the “oppressed” or “marginalized.”

There is no point debating about CRT or Marxism. Lets stick to the fact. Can you name a single bill or executive order by Biden administration / Democratic control congress passed which are related to CRT or Marxism or anti American ?

 

[SimplyMe]

Agreed. The democratic party is being hijacked by the progressive leftists and the true democrats aren't even putting up the facade of resistance. If the progressive leftists succeed I can see 3 political parties (2 'democratic' and one republican) in the near future. Moderate democrats will have no place else to go except to a new party.

The irony here is that it completely ignores the movement to kick anyone that dares to say anything against Trump, out of the party. You completely ignore the large number of Republicans, even on a site like this one, that have left the GOP because of Trump and the worship towards him.

I know several true Conservatives, not populists (which is what Trump is), that are frustrated they no longer feel they have representation in the Republican party.

 

[bekkilyn]

Do you know the percentage of minority support GOP? In 2020 GOP support from 10% African American , 31 Asian, 33 % Hispanic. Is that what you call big tent?

2020 is old news. There has been a significant conservative surge, particularly among Latinos, since then. More black men in particular are also leaning more conservative than before from what I've been seeing. I suppose we'll see more updated statistics later this year during the mid-terms.

 

[Yttrium]

2020 is old news. There has been a significant conservative surge, particularly among Latinos, since then. More black men in particular are also leaning more conservative than before from what I've been seeing. I suppose we'll see more updated statistics later this year during the mid-terms.

Conservative? How does that help the populist GOP? GOP doesn't take in conservatives any more. Swear fealty to the Donald or geddouttatown.

 

[civilwarbuff]

The irony here is that it completely ignores the movement to kick anyone that dares to say anything against Trump, out of the party. You completely ignore the large number of Republicans, even on a site like this one, that have left the GOP because of Trump and the worship towards him.

I know several true Conservatives, not populists (which is what Trump is), that are frustrated they no longer feel they have representation in the Republican party.

And yet the same can be said of moderate democrats (which appear to be a dying breed) due to the continued pressure from leadership and the unrelenting attacks of progressives. In a few more election cycles they may no longer exist in the democratic party. They will be leftist extremist democrats or belong to a separate party where they can at least attempt to make their voices heard.

 

[SimplyMe]

Seems like you have drank the CRT kool-aid, which is part of the identity Marxism that uses race instead of class.

Perhaps you might be interested in some of the short talks by Pastor Corey Brooks who is currently in the midst of camping out for 100 days on the rooftop in the south side of Chicago to bring attention to the violence and also to raise money for a community center. Here is one of them concerning CRT.

You completely miss the point; whatever CRT is does not matter, it is the fact that Republicans are trying to pass legislation to limit free speech when it comes to CRT. At the same time, your complaint about "limiting free speech" has nothing to do with Democrats, it is when social media companies decide to limit false information about some topics. Why is it you oppose social media companies (not the government) from curtailing discussion of topics but have no issue with the government limiting discussion of different topics?

You seem to ignore your own hypocrisy here, just because you don't like what the government is censoring but dislike censoring by private companies, only in their own space, when people "like you" are not being allowed to promote things that are not true.

Again, I can't argue you out of the narrative that has entrapped you, but I will say that more and more minorities are turning away from far left extremism because they are tired of the lies.

What does this have to do with the reply that was typed out to you, much less your original post. Classic moving of the goal posts because they destroyed your claims.

Many of the Indians who move here to the U.S. are some of most patriotic people for America because they know that western civilization, capitalism, freedom and liberty, and our system of government is a system that works and has been the most successful throughout history in spite of the attempts by the radical left and their cultural Red Guard to tear it down and bring us all down into another dark age of chaos and misery. I have known Indian families who spent over ten years working on getting their U.S. citizenship and they know far more the value of freedom than many who were born here and spend their days detesting the hand that provided them opportunity, the same opportunity that those who legally immigrated here with nothing took and built the American dream.

Which, beyond falsely making claims about "the Left," has nothing to do with the topic. Tell me, what Democratic politician has proposed a law to get rid of capitalism? The only claims of "loss of freedom" that I see claimed are things like requiring mask usage and promoting vaccination. What is odd to me, this isn't the first time Republicans have made these claims.

You should have heard the screams of "freedom" when states started passing seat belt laws, helmet laws for motorcyclists, and even requiring vaccinations for school children to attend school. Now, for the most part, neither party feels these laws restrict freedom but agree these lies promote the public health. And don't get me started about how fluoridation of the water supply would risk Americans "precious bodily fluids" and turn everyone Communist.

So, forgive me, after seeing these previous "freak outs" by a subset of Republicans about how are freedoms are being taken away -- they aren't. In forty years, people will look back and wonder what the fuss was all about, much as they do about seat belt laws today.

What the "radical wing" of the Democrats want is more of a Western European Democracy -- something like Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, etc. currently have. There is little "socialist," and absolutely nothing Marxist or Communist about what the left wing of the Democrats want. I can understand people being against it, for various reasons, but the whole "socialist" thing is fearmongering by Republicans that largely started under Reagan (which had even less to do with anything socialist).

 

[civilwarbuff]

Conservative? How does that help the populist GOP? GOP doesn't take in conservatives any more. Swear fealty to the Donald or geddouttatown.

Well, that just ain't true. I am a conservative and I swear fealty to no man. Unfortunately the democrats can't seem to say the same when it comes to the leftists and their agenda. They continue to march to the orders of Pelosi and Schumer (both captured by AOC and Co.) just as surely as if they had been roped, thrown and hog-tied.

 

[SimplyMe]

And yet the same can be said of moderate democrats (which appear to be a dying breed) due to the continued pressure from leadership and the unrelenting attacks of progressives. In a few more election cycles they may no longer exist in the democratic party. They will be leftist extremist democrats or belong to a separate party where they can at least attempt to make their voices heard.

Odd, I haven't seen anyone kicked out of the Democratic party, or even really censured. In fact, the current President is something of a centrist -- despite how his opponents try to portray him -- and he seems to have won the Democratic nomination particularly because he was the centrist that most Democrats thought had the best chance of beating Trump. Democrats specifically rejected more liberal candidates like Sen. Sanders or Sen. Warren.

Instead, this reminds me of the claims the Republican party was going to die, maybe six years ago, because the Tea Partiers were going to split away.

 

[bekkilyn]

There is no point debating about CRT or Marxism. Lets stick to the fact. Can you name a single bill or executive order by Biden administration / Democratic control congress passed which are related to CRT or Marxism or anti American ?

Biden Executive Order Promotes Critical Race Theory - The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics

GOP lawmakers warn against Biden critical race theory effort

Practically everything Biden does is anti-American, from the completely wide-open southern border to oppressive mandates and restrictions on American citizens to the weakening and even abandonment of U.S. armed forces. Parents are "terrorists" but the violent cartels and human trafficking going on at our border is to be welcomed with open arms, not to mention all the foreign nationals from places such as Russia that take advantage of it as well, less anyone think that it's just impoverished Mexican families who are seeking a better life.

I'm sure there might be some small smidgen of something Biden has done that I approve of. No one is 100% deficient in everything, but due to his weakness (and I wouldn't be surprised if it were found to be intentional) and therefore the current weakness and decline of the U.S., I have no doubt that we will see Russia attacking the Ukraine followed very shortly by China going after Taiwan. Why wouldn't these countries take advantage of an opportunity like this before the mid-terms when we might end up being able to turn things around a little bit?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Odd, I haven't seen anyone kicked out of the Democratic party, or even really censured.

Really?....You must not read much in the way of news then.......Kyrsten Sinema censured, but how much trouble is the Arizona Democrat really in? - CNNPolitics

In fact, the current President is something of a centrist -- despite how his opponents try to portray him -- and he seems to have won the Democratic nomination particularly because he was the centrist that most Democrats thought had the best chance of beating Trump.

No, because the party and the media portrayed him as a centrist......big difference......

Instead, this reminds me of the claims the Republican party was going to die, maybe six years ago, because the Tea Partiers were going to split away.

Only time will tell......the party can still wake up to its danger.......

 

[bekkilyn]

You completely miss the point; whatever CRT is does not matter, it is the fact that Republicans are trying to pass legislation to limit free speech when it comes to CRT. At the same time, your complaint about "limiting free speech" has nothing to do with Democrats, it is when social media companies decide to limit false information about some topics. Why is it you oppose social media companies (not the government) from curtailing discussion of topics but have no issue with the government limiting discussion of different topics?"

If all the schools were doing was talking *about* CRT and teaching it along with other ideologies and philosophies of thought, there would be no problem. I remember us studying the Communist Manifesto in high school history class and that was fine. They weren't attempting to turn us all into little communists for the cause.

The problem with CRT in the schools is that it's being used as a LENS through which EVERY SUBJECT is to be taught through. Even math is considered racist and needs to be taught through the CRT lens with the point being to turn students into activists, not to provide them with an actual education.

So discuss CRT all you want, but don't use it to INDOCTRINATE, which is what the Democratic establishment is pushing in the schools.

You seem to ignore your own hypocrisy here, just because you don't like what the government is censoring but dislike censoring by private companies, only in their own space, when people "like you" are not being allowed to promote things that are not true.

What evidence do you have that what I'm "promoting" is not true? What exactly am I "promoting"? Who are the people "like me" anyway? If you say "far-right, Trump-loving Republican" you would be very wrong. If you say something more like "liberal without a political home" then you would be getting much closer.

What does this have to do with the reply that was typed out to you, much less your original post. Classic moving of the goal posts because they destroyed your claims.

???

Which, beyond falsely making claims about "the Left," has nothing to do with the topic. Tell me, what Democratic politician has proposed a law to get rid of capitalism? The only claims of "loss of freedom" that I see claimed are things like requiring mask usage and promoting vaccination. What is odd to me, this isn't the first time Republicans have made these claims.

I'm not a Republican. I'm a liberal and considered myself to be left for most of my life. Unfortunately, the left seems to have left me.

You should have heard the screams of "freedom" when states started passing seat belt laws, helmet laws for motorcyclists, and even requiring vaccinations for school children to attend school. Now, for the most part, neither party feels these laws restrict freedom but agree these lies promote the public health. And don't get me started about how fluoridation of the water supply would risk Americans "precious bodily fluids" and turn everyone Communist.

There are vaccine exemptions in many if not most states for school children, for health and religious purposes. The COVID vaccine that has been around for only a year has no such exemptions in most if not all places.

So, forgive me, after seeing these previous "freak outs" by a subset of Republicans about how are freedoms are being taken away -- they aren't. In forty years, people will look back and wonder what the fuss was all about, much as they do about seat belt laws today.

I hope you are right, but I believe that you are wrong. We may not have another 40 years as a constitutional republic at the rate we're going.

What the "radical wing" of the Democrats want is more of a Western European Democracy -- something like Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, etc. currently have. There is little "socialist," and absolutely nothing Marxist or Communist about what the left wing of the Democrats want. I can understand people being against it, for various reasons, but the whole "socialist" thing is fearmongering by Republicans that largely started under Reagan (which had even less to do with anything socialist).

I said these exact same words, probably on this forum, just over a year ago, but I've since found out that it's not what the Democratic establishment, i.e. woke radicals, want. I'm still all for policies such as universal health care and better environmental protections. I am not at all for the utter depravity, socially, culturally, morally, and economically, that is being pushed by the current version of the Democratic party.

 

[bekkilyn]

Odd, I haven't seen anyone kicked out of the Democratic party, or even really censured. In fact, the current President is something of a centrist -- despite how his opponents try to portray him -- and he seems to have won the Democratic nomination particularly because he was the centrist that most Democrats thought had the best chance of beating Trump. Democrats specifically rejected more liberal candidates like Sen. Sanders or Sen. Warren.

Instead, this reminds me of the claims the Republican party was going to die, maybe six years ago, because the Tea Partiers were going to split away.

Biden ran as a centrist but he is not a centrist. I voted for Bernie in the primaries and then voted for Biden because he wasn't Trump. Even though I disliked Biden, I hoped at the time that he would at least bring back some sense of normality, i.e. have an adult in the room, after all the Trump craziness. I never in my life imagined it would end up this bad or that I would even start missing Trump of all people. Still, I'd prefer to vote for a different Republican candidate in 2024.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Agreed. The democratic party is being hijacked by the progressive leftists and the true democrats aren't even putting up the facade of resistance. If the progressive leftists succeed I can see 3 political parties (2 'democratic' and one republican) in the near future. Moderate democrats will have no place else to go except to a new party.

Personally, I see the Uberright doing the same thing to the Republican party, with allegiance to Donald -- and to the whatever for which he stands -- as the litmus test.

So perhaps we'll see 4 parties instead of 3? I'd find that preferable -- 2 has always been too few, IMO.