PopeWatch: Francis II?

[Michie]

Sandro Magister takes a look at the man who is positioning himself to be the successor of the current Pope:

On the list of cardinals that Francis would like to see as his successor there is one new name that has quickly jumped to the top of the rankings. It is that of Cardinal Jean-Claude Hollerich, archbishop of Luxembourg.

His only drawbacks would be his relatively young age, 64, and his being a Jesuit. But these drawbacks are not necessarily insurmountable. As for his age, just one year separates Hollerich from the other leading candidate dear to Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Filipino cardinal Luis Antonio Gokim Tagle, prefect of “Propaganda Fide,” and six years, not many, from the most accredited of the alternative candidates, Hungarian cardinal Peter Erdö, archbishop of Esztergom-Budapest. And as for his belonging to the Society of Jesus, so far he has exhibited the best and least partisan aspects, the most fascinating, above all on account of his twenty-seven year mission in Japan, at the extreme borders of the faith, where the search for God and for new forms of Christianity are absolute imperatives, guidelines for the future of the Church in an increasingly secularized world.

Go here to read the rest. In short Catholicism goes the main line Protestant route to rapid extinction. We are led by fools and much worse.

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PopeWatch: Francis II?

 

[chevyontheriver]

Sandro Magister takes a look at the man who is positioning himself to be the successor of the current Pope:

On the list of cardinals that Francis would like to see as his successor there is one new name that has quickly jumped to the top of the rankings. It is that of Cardinal Jean-Claude Hollerich, archbishop of Luxembourg.

His only drawbacks would be his relatively young age, 64, and his being a Jesuit. But these drawbacks are not necessarily insurmountable. As for his age, just one year separates Hollerich from the other leading candidate dear to Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Filipino cardinal Luis Antonio Gokim Tagle, prefect of “Propaganda Fide,” and six years, not many, from the most accredited of the alternative candidates, Hungarian cardinal Peter Erdö, archbishop of Esztergom-Budapest. And as for his belonging to the Society of Jesus, so far he has exhibited the best and least partisan aspects, the most fascinating, above all on account of his twenty-seven year mission in Japan, at the extreme borders of the faith, where the search for God and for new forms of Christianity are absolute imperatives, guidelines for the future of the Church in an increasingly secularized world.

Go here to read the rest. In short Catholicism goes the main line Protestant route to rapid extinction. We are led by fools and much worse.

Continued below.
PopeWatch: Francis II?

This is the guy, suddenly papabili, who says Church teaching on homosexuality is wrong!

GO FIGURE.

 

[pdudgeon]

May God help us.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

Anyone Francis likes would be terrible.

This is the guy, suddenly papabili, who says Church teaching on homosexuality is wrong!

GO FIGURE.

Oh look, who would have thought.

 

[Michie]

The Luxembourgian cardinal, who is the relator general of the upcoming Synod on Synodality, has called into question not only foundational Church teachings on sexuality but the integrity of doctrine itself.

Cardinal Hollerich and the Destabilization of Doctrine

 

[Sword of the Lord]

The Luxembourgian cardinal, who is the relator general of the upcoming Synod on Synodality, has called into question not only foundational Church teachings on sexuality but the integrity of doctrine itself.

Cardinal Hollerich and the Destabilization of Doctrine

I read that this idiot says the teaching is wrong because it isn't scientific, and that it was originally thought that the whole child was in the sperm of the man and then transferred into the women and that's why homosexuality was originally wrong in Christianity. Nobody can convince me that it was God who put someone that stupid in a position of authority in the Church.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I read that this idiot says the teaching is wrong because it isn't scientific, and that it was originally thought that the whole child was in the sperm of the man and then transferred into the women and that's why homosexuality was originally wrong in Christianity. Nobody can convince me that it was God who put someone that stupid in a position of authority in the Church.

Bishops by themselves have no guarantee of infallibility. Neither does the pope enjoy infallibility in the choosing of bishops. Nor do cardinals enjoy infallibility in choosing a pope. And of course the pope does not infallibly choose cardinals. So God did not choose this particular cardinal. If he becomes pope it is not due to any infallibility exercised by the cardinals. Nor the will of God in any way other than permitting the evil of people who choose to do evil.

The only way out is by humble prayer and fasting, all too rare these days. All too rare. We get the leadership we deserve. Lest we complain about how God isn't taking care of us.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

Bishops by themselves have no guarantee of infallibility. Neither does the pope enjoy infallibility in the choosing of bishops. Nor do cardinals enjoy infallibility in choosing a pope. And of course the pope does not infallibly choose cardinals. So God did not choose this particular cardinal. If he becomes pope it is not due to any infallibility exercised by the cardinals. Nor the will of God in any way other than permitting the evil of people who choose to do evil.

The only way out is by humble prayer and fasting, all too rare these days. All too rare. We get the leadership we deserve. Lest we complain about how God isn't taking care of us.

So what's the happen if Francis' LGBT agenda gets LGBT agents propped up all throughout the Church and these men DO change the teaching on homosexuality? A Catholic says that can't happen. Church teaching can never change. But that's ridiculous and these men could rule that way.

 

[chevyontheriver]

So what's the happen if Francis' LGBT agenda gets LGBT agents propped up all throughout the Church and these men DO change the teaching on homosexuality? A Catholic says that can't happen. Church teaching can never change. But that's ridiculous and these men could rule that way.

Well, either God causes them all to choke to death before they change it, or they lose the ability to speak and write, or some other calamity encumbers them. OR we have reached the day of the return of the Lord. The teaching can develop, but not change as these folks want. Such things cannot stand.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

Well, either God causes them all to choke to death before they change it, or they lose the ability to speak and write, or some other calamity encumbers them. OR we have reached the day of the return of the Lord. The teaching can develop, but not change as these folks want. Such things cannot stand.

Unless we're on the wrong side of the split I guess.

Forgive me, this troubles me a lot. I think a lot of people are questioning.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

If a pick like this should occur then I will will focus on Christ and be done with it.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Unless we're on the wrong side of the split I guess.

I can't see that. It would mean throwing out the Bible. That may be somebodies religion but it wouldn't be Christianity any more. It would mean throwing out the Fathers. It would be a strange new religion and I'm not going to forsake my Lord for that pottage/

Forgive me, this troubles me a lot. I think a lot of people are questioning.

[/QUOTE]
It IS troubling. Societal leaders have drunk of the Kool-Aid. And leaders in the Church are drinking it right up too. Although they would know better if they were humble and prayerful people who fast.

The process that has gone on with the Anglicans and the Methodists and the liberal Lutherans is happening now in the Catholic Church. It does not have to have the same endpoint. But God would have to act. And we would have to have prayed for that action.

In the time remaining before the stuff hits the fan, I think we need to get ready for it. Pray and study and go to confession. Be the Christian you know you have to become before the stuff hits the fan. When it does hit the fan it's not the time to decide to be a strong Christian. It's a little too late then.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

I can't see that. It would mean throwing out the Bible. That may be somebodies religion but it wouldn't be Christianity any more. It would mean throwing out the Fathers. It would be a strange new religion and I'm not going to forsake my Lord for that pottage/

I'm talking about 1054, not Protestantism.

 

[Michie]

I’ve been praying the Divine Mercy Chaplet a little more than usual. Makes me feel better.

 

[honestal]

Sandro Magister takes a look at the man who is positioning himself to be the successor of the current Pope:



His only drawbacks would be his relatively young age, 64, and his being a Jesuit. But these drawbacks are not necessarily insurmountable.

I think 64 is plenty old enough.

You don't have to be 80 years old to have wisdom.

Certainly at some age you start to decline.

 

[Michie]

I think 64 is plenty old enough.

(You don't have to be 80 years old to have wisdom.)

I don’t think this pick has wisdom.

 

[Basil the Great]

So what's the happen if Francis' LGBT agenda gets LGBT agents propped up all throughout the Church and these men DO change the teaching on homosexuality? A Catholic says that can't happen. Church teaching can never change. But that's ridiculous and these men could rule that way.

If such were to ever happen, suffice it to say that it would almost certainly cause a split in the Church, somewhat like what happened during the Middle Ages, except that the former split was about personalities and not doctrine. I do recall reading about discussions during Vatican II. Some wanted Church teaching to go further on the salvation of Jews than it did and one participant claimed that such would have caused a split in the Church.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

If such were to ever happen, suffice it to say that it would almost certainly cause a split in the Church, somewhat like what happened during the Middle Ages, except that the former split was about personalities and not doctrine. I do recall reading about discussions during Vatican II. Some wanted Church teaching to go further on the salvation of Jews than it did and one participant claimed that such would cause a split in the Church.

It would make more sense to me if people just admitted that the Orthodox side was on the right side of the split and just moved there instead of splintering again. I left Orthodoxy and my heart has always called me to Catholicism, but hey, I'm human, and if this happens I'm going back and repenting and apologizing hardcore.

 

[Basil the Great]

It would make more sense to me if people just admitted that the Orthodox side was on the right side of the split and just moved there instead of splintering again. I left Orthodoxy and my heart has always called me to Catholicism, but hey, I'm human, and if this happens I'm going back and repenting and apologizing hardcore.

I see what you mean about the Great Schism in 1054, but I was referring to the competing claims to the Papacy that happened from 1378 to 1417, otherwise known as the Western Schism.

 

[honestal]

I don’t think this pick has wisdom.

If you mean Pope Francis, I agree.

In many ways he's not even a true Catholic.

(Looking back--I now think you meant Pope Francis' pick, not Pope Francis himself... Oh well.)