"The Law is for the Jews."

[HARK!]

"The Law is for the Jews." What a ridiculous assertion. First of all what is a Jew? The letter J didn't even exist until recent history.

Is it a Judaean? If so would this include non believers who reside in Judea? That doesn't work.

Is it someone of the tribe of Judah? What if he doesn't believe? That doesn't work either.

Is it the Yahudim (Yah's people)? Well this I would have to agree with; but that's not the implication that is being presented by people who make this assertion. Are not Christians Yah's people? I propose that the Law is for those who are spiritual. The Law is spiritual.

For those who would insist that adherence to the law as being a matter of physical genealogy; the Law was given to more than the tribe of Judah. It was given to all 12 tribes. The Northern Tribes were carried off, scattered throughout the world, and assimilated into the Gentiles.

By this definition, are you a Jew?

Here is the first test: Account for every paternal ancestor back to the time of Jacob.

Can you do that?

Excellent!

You move on to the second round!

There were more than the descendants of Jacob who entered covenant in Egypt and/or at Sinai.

Many descendants of Jacob remained in Egypt; but many of the nations followed the El of Israel, entered covenant, and became fellow citizens of Israel. The law is for all of their generations too, as YHWH commanded.

Here is the second test: Account for every person, who is not of Jacob, who entered covenant at Egypt/Sinai, and all of their progeny.

Can you do that?

Congratulations!

Please share this information with the lost sheep; so that they don't remain lost until Messiah finds them.

You move onto the bonus round!

Now prove through all of your ancestry that you are in no way a descendant of anyone who entered covenant along with Moses.



Shabbat shalom!

 

[Torah Keeper]

Exodus 12:49

Romans 11:24

Shabbat shalom

 

[HARK!]

Exodus 12:49

Romans 11:24

Shabbat shalom

Hallelu YAH!

 

[SkyWriting]

"The Law is for the Jews." What a ridiculous assertion. First of all what is a Jew? The letter J didn't even exist until recent history.

Hmmmm.....ask the Jews?

A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) - Judaism 101
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[HARK!]

Hmmmm.....ask the Jews?

A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) - Judaism 101
www.jewfaq.org › 613
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The Origins and Use of the 613 Mitzvot - TheTorah.com

Would they include the Hasmoneans?

This will seriously expand the genealogy base.

 

[SkyWriting]

Would they include the Hasmoneans?

This will seriously expand the genealogy base.

I can't say they would not.

 

[Torah Keeper]

Are you asking Orthodox, Reformed, Hassidic, Russian, Ethiopian, Yemeni, Messianic, or non-religious Jews?

Are these Jews Sephardic, or Ashkenazi?

And, to quote the Bible, Who is a Jew?

And again, according to Revelation, there are those who say they are Jews, but are of the synagogue of Satan.

 

[Bob S]

It is not what anyone today says. It is what scripture tells us.

Deut 5: 1
Moses summoned all Israel and said:

Hear, Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today. 4 The Lord spoke to you face to face out of the fire on the mountain. 5 (At that time I stood between the Lord and you to declare to you the word of the Lord, because you were afraid of the fire and did not go up the mountain.) And he said:

6 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

Who was "you"? Israelites later known as Jews as scripture proves.

The opening statement of the OP "the law is for the Jews" (emphasis mine) is not a true statement. The law was for the Jews earlier known as Israelites.

The laws given to Israel were the words of the old covenant which was replaced with the everlasting new covenant, The new covenant is for all mankind by which to abide. Eph2:
14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

How did Jesus bring peace? He brought peace by setting aside the Law that was given to Israelites, now called Jews, at Sinai. Paul, Jesus ambassador, recognized this in his letters to the Galatians, Corinthians, Ephesians and Romans. In chapter 3 of Galatians he called the Galatians foolish because they had listened to those who believed they were still under the laws of the old covenant.

 

[HARK!]

It is not what anyone today says. It is what scripture tells us.

Yes, let's take a look at what scripture says.

3 It was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today.

Emphasis added

(CLV) Ex 12:38
Moreover a mixed multitude ascended with them, and flocks, herds and cattle, exceedingly heavy.

6 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

Who was "you"?

(CLV) Ex 12:38
Moreover a mixed multitude ascended with them, and flocks, herds and cattle, exceedingly heavy.

 

[HARK!]

The laws given to Israel were the words of the old covenant which was replaced with the everlasting new covenant, The new covenant is for all mankind by which to abide. Eph2:

You seem to be conflating the words Law and covenant. When a landlord kicks out the old tenant; because he let his pets use the apartment for a litter box; does he change the rules; so that the new tenant can let his pets use the apartment for a litter box?

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

Why did you leave out what preceded these verses? It's difficult to grasp the context without them.



(CLV) Eph 2:11
Wherefore, remember that once (NOT anymore!) you, the nations [Ger] in flesh—who are termed "Uncircumcision" by those termed "Circumcision," in flesh, made by hands (NOT anymore!)

(CLV) Eph 2:12
that you were,(NOT anymore!) in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated [Ger]from the citizenship of Israel,(NOT anymore!) and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world.(NOT anymore!)

(CLV) Eph 2:19
Consequently, then, not longer are you guests [Ger Toshav] and sojourners [Ger], (NOT anymore!) but are fellow-citizens of the saints and belong to God's family,

YHWH's covenant is with Israel.

Yahshua was commissioned for none but the lost sheep of Israel.

Yashar El welcomes you!

 

[Clare73]

"The Law is for the Jews." What a ridiculous assertion. First of all what is a Jew? The letter J didn't even exist until recent history.

The Mosaic law was for the Old Covenant, which covenant was temporarily (Hebrews 8:13) added (Galatians 3:19; Romans 5:20) to the Abrahamic Covenant (Galatians 3:17) to reveal sin (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7) and to lead to Christ (Galatians 3:24).
Now that faith in Christ has come, those in the New Covenant are no longer under the supervision of the law (Galatians 3:25).

For the law of Christ (Matthew 22:37-40) is now God's law (1 Corinthians 9:20-21) for the New Covenant, which is the fulfillment of the Decalogue "and whatever other commandment there may be." (Romans 13:8-10).

The law of Christ is now the law for God's people in the New Covenant.

Is it a Judaean? If so would this include non believers who reside in Judea? That doesn't work.

Is it someone of the tribe of Judah? What if he doesn't believe? That doesn't work either.

Is it the Yahudim (Yah's people)? Well this I would have to agree with; but that's not the implication that is being presented by people who make this assertion. Are not Christians Yah's people? I propose that the Law is for those who are spiritual. The Law is spiritual.

For those who would insist that adherence to the law as being a matter of physical genealogy; the Law was given to more than the tribe of Judah. It was given to all 12 tribes. The Northern Tribes were carried off, scattered throughout the world, and assimilated into the Gentiles.

By this definition, are you a Jew?

Here is the first test: Account for every paternal ancestor back to the time of Jacob.

Can you do that?

Excellent!

You move on to the second round!

There were more than the descendants of Jacob who entered covenant in Egypt and/or at Sinai.

Many descendants of Jacob remained in Egypt; but many of the nations followed the El of Israel, entered covenant, and became fellow citizens of Israel. The law is for all of their generations too, as YHWH commanded.

Here is the second test: Account for every person, who is not of Jacob, who entered covenant at Egypt/Sinai, and all of their progeny.

Can you do that?

Congratulations!

Please share this information with the lost sheep; so that they don't remain lost until Messiah finds them.

You move onto the bonus round!

Now prove through all of your ancestry that you are in no way a descendant of anyone who entered covenant along with Moses.



Shabbat shalom!

 

[Bob S]

You seem to be conflating the words Law and covenant.

Oh! So, I should really disassociate the two according to you?

When a landlord kicks out the old tenant; because he let his pets use the apartment for a litter box; does he change the rules; so that the new tenant can let his pets use the apartment for a litter box?

Jesus did.

Why did you leave out what preceded these verses? It's difficult to grasp the context without them.

That wasn't enough for you to get the point?

YHWH's covenant is with Israel.

Was with Israel.

Yahshua was commissioned for none but the lost sheep of Israel.

Jesus was commissioned? Jesus came on His own volition to save Israel by giving them a new and better covenant with new laws.

Yashar El welcomes you!

You must be really high up the ladder to be able to speak for God, but yes, I claim Jesus promises. Jn 3:16 and Jn5:24
Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

Read full chapter

 

[daq]

The Mosaic law was for the Old Covenant, which covenant was temporarily (Hebrews 8:13) added (Galatians 3:19; Romans 5:20) to the Abrahamic C ovenant (Galatians 3:17) to reveal sin (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7) and to lead to Christ (Galatians 3:24).
Not that faith in Christ has come, those in the New Covenant are no longer under the supervision of the law (Galatians 3:25).

For the law of Christ (Matthew 22:37-40) is now God's law (1 Corinthians 9:20-21) for the New Covenant, which fulfills the Decalogue "and whatever other commandment there may be." (Romans 13:8-10).

The law of Christ is now the law for God's people in the New Covenant.

Faith doesn't come for everyone all at once but rather each in his or her own appointed times, (times appointed of the Father).

Hebrews 10:35-39 KJV
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

This speaks of an appointed time, and it speaks of that time of testing when real faith comes: the time appointed of the Father when a babe or child in Messiah becomes a son, (Galatians 4:1-2). But until that time the child is under tutors and guardians, (a.k.a. Torah, Prophets, and Writings), though the child be destined to become master of all.

 

[Bob S]

Faith doesn't come for everyone all at once but rather each in his or her own appointed times, (times appointed of the Father).

Hebrews 10:35-39 KJV
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

WoW! you interpreted those verses to mean God deals out faith a little at a time??? Those verses warn us that we not give up our faith because our reward is coming. The promise Jesus gave us is eternal life. 24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
Jn 5:24

This speaks of an appointed time, and it speaks of that time of testing when real faith comes: the time appointed of the Father when a babe or child in Messiah becomes a son, (Galatians 4:1-2). But until that time the child is under tutors and guardians, (a.k.a. Torah, Prophets, and Writings), though the child be destined to become master of all.

Not according to the writings of Paul in Gal 3 and else ware. 23 Before the coming of this faith, we (the offspring of Israel) were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our (the offspring of Israel) guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

The fact is the remainder of the people on the Earth never were under the Law of Moses. They undoubtedly had never even heard of the Torah, Prophets and writings. Now that our Savior brought Israelites the new covenant they too are not under the dictates of Torah, prophets or writings.

How can you understand that Gal 4:1-2 means that children are under Torah? Where did you derive that idea? Please explain?

 

[Clare73]

Oh! So, I should really disassociate the two according to you?
Jesus did.
That wasn't enough for you to get the point?
Was with Israel.
Jesus was commissioned? Jesus came on His own volition to save Israel by giving them a new and better covenant with new laws.
You must be really high up the ladder to be able to speak for God, but yes, I claim Jesus promises. Jn 3:16 and Jn5:24

Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

Read full chapter

. . .

 

[HARK!]

Jesus did.

That's not my understanding of what Yahshua is saying here.

(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

(CLV) Mt 7:23
And then shall I be avowing to them that `I never knew you! Depart from Me, workers of lawlessness!'

 

[HARK!]

Oh! So, I should really disassociate the two according to you?

No. However, I don't conflate the two words have meaning. Two different words are used here for a reason.

 

[HARK!]

That wasn't enough for you to get the point?

I got the point before it was expounded on.

If one ships over that point; they might miss the point.

(CLV) Eph 2:11
Wherefore, remember that once (NOT anymore!) you, the nations [Ger] in flesh—who are termed "Uncircumcision" by those termed "Circumcision," in flesh, made by hands (NOT anymore!)

(CLV) Eph 2:12
that you were,(NOT anymore!) in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated [Ger]from the citizenship of Israel,(NOT anymore!) and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world.(NOT anymore!)

(CLV) Eph 2:19
Consequently, then, not longer are you guests [Ger Toshav] and sojourners [Ger], (NOT anymore!) but are fellow-citizens of the saints and belong to God's family,

YHWH's covenant is with Israel.

 

[Clare73]

Faith doesn't come for everyone all at once but rather each in his or her own appointed times, (times appointed of the Father).

Hebrews 10:35-39 KJV
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

This speaks of an appointed time, and it speaks of that time of testing when real faith comes: the time appointed of the Father when a babe or child in Messiah becomes a son, (Galatians 4:1-2). But until that time the child is under tutors and guardians, (a.k.a. Torah, Prophets, and Writings), though the child be destined to become master of all.

Galatians 4:1-2 is not about the appointed time for personal faith, in its context of Galatians 3:22-25, it is about the "appointed time" for Christ to be revealed, and is an analogy ("what I am saying is," 4:1) regarding that "appointed time" of Christ being revealed when justification is by faith in him, and not by law-keeping.
It's not about coming to personal faith, it's about Christ being revealed before there can even be any justification by faith in him.

"The whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Christ,
might be given to those who believe.
Before this faith (in Christ) came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith (in Christ) should be revealed.
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ (by revealing sin, Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7) that we might be justified by faith.
Now that faith (in Christ, as opposed to law-keeping) has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law." (Galatians 3:22-25)

Galatians 3:22-25 is about faith, not law-keeping, as the means of the righteousness of justification, just as it was for Abraham (Genesis 5:6; Romans 4:3).

 

[HARK!]

Was with Israel.

You may wish to read this again, a little more carefully.

(CLV) Eph 2:11
Wherefore, remember that once (NOT anymore!) you, the nations [Ger] in flesh—who are termed "Uncircumcision" by those termed "Circumcision," in flesh, made by hands (NOT anymore!)

(CLV) Eph 2:12
that you were,(NOT anymore!) in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated [Ger]from the citizenship of Israel,(NOT anymore!) and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world.(NOT anymore!)

(CLV) Eph 2:19
Consequently, then, not longer are you guests [Ger Toshav] and sojourners [Ger], (NOT anymore!) but are fellow-citizens of the saints and belong to God's family,

YHWH's covenant is with Israel.