"The Law is for the Jews."

[Clare73]

WoW! you interpreted those verses to mean God deals out faith a little at a time??? Those verses warn us that we not give up our faith because our reward is coming. The promise Jesus gave us is eternal life. 24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
Jn 5:24

Not according to the writings of Paul in Gal 3 and else ware. 23 Before the coming of this faith, we (the offspring of Israel) were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our (the offspring of Israel) guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

The fact is the remainder of the people on the Earth never were under the Law of Moses. They undoubtedly had never even heard of the Torah, Prophets and writings.
Now that our Savior brought Israelites the new covenant they too are not under the dictates of Torah, prophets or writings.
How can you understand that Gal 4:1-2 means that children are under Torah? Where did you derive that idea? Please explain?

. . .

 

[HARK!]

Jesus was commissioned?

Yes!

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

Jesus came on His own volition to save Israel by giving them a new and better covenant with new laws.

Yahshua himself would disagree.


(CLV) Jn 6:38
for I have descended from heaven, not that I should be doing My will, but the will of Him Who sends Me.

(CLV) Jn 12:49
seeing that I speak not from Myself, but the Father Who sends Me, He has given Me the precept, what I may be saying and what I should be speaking.

 

[HARK!]

You must be really high up the ladder to be able to speak for God

I am of Yahshar El ישראל

 

[daq]

WoW! you interpreted those verses to mean God deals out faith a little at a time??? Those verses warn us that we not give up our faith because our reward is coming. The promise Jesus gave us is eternal life. 24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
Jn 5:24


Not according to the writings of Paul in Gal 3 and else ware. 23 Before the coming of this faith, we (the offspring of Israel) were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our (the offspring of Israel) guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

The fact is the remainder of the people on the Earth never were under the Law of Moses. They undoubtedly had never even heard of the Torah, Prophets and writings. Now that our Savior brought Israelites the new covenant they too are not under the dictates of Torah, prophets or writings.

How can you understand that Gal 4:1-2 means that children are under Torah? Where did you derive that idea? Please explain?

I disagree with the words you inserted into Gal 3:23-24, "the offspring of Israel". However that is one I had not heard until now: most people include themselves in the "we" and "our" in those statements. I also disagree with your interpretation of that passage, particularly the verb tense in verse 24. It doesn't say the law was our schoolmaster but rather that the law has become our schoolmaster or tutor into Messiah. Nothing you've offered changes the passage I quoted and what it plainly says.

 

[daq]

Galatians 4:1-2 is not about the appointed time for personal faith,

Yes it is, for the Torah has become our schoolmaster or tutor into Messiah, and that is to each in his or her own appointed times, just as Paul states in the summary statement which has now been improperly divided at the chapter break, which I referenced, (Gal 4:1-2 is a summary statement for what he has just said, and why anyone would place this statement in the next chapter is beyond me, but that is unfortunately what has been done).

 

[Clare73]

Yes it is, for the Torah has become our schoolmaster or tutor into Messiah, and that is to each in his or her own appointed times, just as Paul states in the summary statement which has now been improperly divided at the chapter break, which I referenced, (Gal 4:1-2 is a summary statement for what he has just said, and why anyone would place this statement in the next chapter is beyond me, but that is unfortunately what has been done).

That falls somewhat short of Biblically demonstrating the specific error(s) in my presentation, the absence of which leaves you with only an undemonstrated assertion, which are easy to come by.

Paul's statement is an analogy ("what I am saying is") of what has just been said, and which I explained.
For your assertion of my error(s) to be valid, you must demonstrate the error(s) in my explanation, or your assertion is without merit.

 

[daq]

That falls somewhat short of Biblically demonstrating the specific error(s) in my presentation, the absence of which leaves you with only an undemonstrated assertion, which are easy to come by.

Paul's statement is an analogy ("what I am saying is") of what has just been said, and which I explained.
For your assertion of my error(s) to be valid, you must demonstrate the error(s) in my explanation, or your assertion is without merit.

Galatians 1:1-2 ASV
1 Paul, an apostle (not from men, neither through man, but through Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead),
2 and all the brethren that are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

Galatians 3:21 - 4:2 ASV
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could make alive, verily righteousness would have been of the law.
22 But the scripture shut up all things under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we [Gal 1:1-2] were kept in ward under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor.
26 For ye are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ did put on Christ.
28 There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye are Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, heirs according to promise.
01 But I say that so long as the heir is a child, he differeth nothing from a bondservant though he is lord of all;
02 but is under guardians and stewards until the day appointed of the father.

"we" and "our" ~ Galatians 1:1-2, Paul and the brethren who were with him.

"guardians and stewards" ~ Torah, Prophets, and Writings, until the time appointed of the Father, when a babe or child in Messiah becomes a son. Why? because the Torah is become or has become our tutor, schoolmaster, or guardian into/unto Messiah.

"heirs according to promise" ~ see Hebrews 10:35-39 and James 2:21-24 for starters, (and the background context in the Torah from the statements made by Yakob, a.k.a. "James").

 

[Bob S]

I disagree with the words you inserted into Gal 3:23-24, "the offspring of Israel". However that is one I had not heard until now:

No doubt about disagreeing. I haven't found many agreements when debating with Messianic people. Did not Jacob become Israel and were not his offspring called Israelites???
Genesis 32:28
Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.” Now you have learned something.

most people include themselves in the "we" and "our" in those statements.

Oh! have you made a study on who does and who doesn't. Please show us where you have gotten your findings.

I also disagree with your interpretation of that passage, particularly the verb tense in verse 24. It doesn't say the law was our schoolmaster but rather that the law has become our schoolmaster or tutor into Messiah.

Your "disagreement" really is not with me my friend, it is with most of the versions of the Bible and certainly does not add up to the remainder of the theme Paul presented such as: verse 19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. Just so you can see for yourself, I have listed most of the versions. Almost all are past tense and should be just that because the Law ended with the coming of Jesus as seen in verse 19. I am glad I was able to take the truths from scripture to help you see there is another side to the coin and just maybe it will help you in your walk with our Savior.

KJ21
Therefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
ASV
So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
AMP
with the result that the Law has become our tutor and our disciplinarian to guide us to Christ, so that we may be justified [that is, declared free of the guilt of sin and its penalty, and placed in right standing with God] by faith.

AMPC (I really like this one, don't you?)
So that the Law served [to us Jews] as our trainer [our guardian, our guide to Christ, to lead us] until Christ [came], that we might be justified (declared righteous, put in right standing with God) by and through faith.
BRG
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
CSB
The law, then, was our guardian until Christ, so that we could be justified by faith.
CEB
so that the Law became our custodian until Christ so that we might be made righteous by faith.
CJB
Accordingly, the Torah functioned as a custodian until the Messiah came, so that we might be declared righteous on the ground of trusting and being faithful.
CEV
In fact, the Law was our teacher. It was supposed to teach us until we had faith and were acceptable to God.
DARBY
So that the law has been our tutor up to Christ, that we might be justified on the principle of faith.
DLNT
So then the Law has been our tutor leading-to Christ, in order that we might be declared-righteous by faith.
DRA
Wherefore the law was our pedagogue in Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
ERV
I mean the law was the guardian in charge of us until Christ came. After he came, we could be made right with God through faith.
EHV
So the law was our chaperone until Christ, so that we might be justified by faith.
ESV
So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
ESVUK
So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
EXB
In other words, the law was our ·guardian [child-minder; tutor; C an attendant slave who watched over a child in a wealthy Greco-Roman household] ·leading us to [or until] Christ so that we could be ·made right with God [declared righteous; justified] through faith.
GNV
Wherefore the Law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, that we might be made righteous by faith.
GW
Before Christ came, Moses’ laws served as our guardian. Christ came so that we could receive God’s approval by faith.
GNT
And so the Law was in charge of us until Christ came, in order that we might then be put right with God through faith.
HCSB
The law, then, was our guardian until Christ, so that we could be justified by faith.
ICB
So the law was our master until Christ came. After Christ came, we could be made right with God through faith.
ISV
And so the Law was our guardian until the Messiah came, so that we might be justified by faith.
PHILLIPS
Before the coming of faith we were all imprisoned under the power of the Law, with our only hope of deliverance the faith that was to be shown to us. Or, to change the metaphor, the Law was like a strict governess in charge of us until we went to the school of Christ and learned to be justified by faith in him. Once we had that faith we were completely free from the governess’s authority.
JUB
Therefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
KJV
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
AKJV
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
LEB
So then, the law became our guardian until Christ, in order that we could be justified by faith.
TLB
Let me put it another way. The Jewish laws were our teacher and guide until Christ came to give us right standing with God through our faith.
MSG
Until the time when we were mature enough to respond freely in faith to the living God, we were carefully surrounded and protected by the Mosaic law. The law was like those Greek tutors, with which you are familiar, who escort children to school and protect them from danger or distraction, making sure the children will really get to the place they set out for.
MEV
So the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
MOUNCE
Thus the law was our disciplinarian until the time of Christ, so that we might be declared righteous by faith.
NOG
Before Christ came, Moses’ laws served as our guardian. Christ came so that we could receive God’s approval by faith.
NABRE
Consequently, the law was our disciplinarian for Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
NASB
Therefore the Law has become our guardian to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.
NASB1995
Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.
NCB
Therefore, the Law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, so that we might be justified by faith.
NCV
In other words, the law was our guardian leading us to Christ so that we could be made right with God through faith.
NET
Thus the law had become our guardian until Christ, so that we could be declared righteous by faith.
NIRV
So the law was put in charge of us until Christ came. He came so that we might be made right with God by believing in Christ.
NIV
So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
NIVUK
So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
NKJV
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
NLV
The Law was used to lead us to Christ. It was our teacher, and so we were made right with God by putting our trust in Christ.
NLT
Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith.
NMB
Therefore the law was our schoolmaster to the time of Christ, so that we may be made righteous by faith.
NRSV
Therefore the law was our disciplinarian until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith.
NRSVA
Therefore the law was our disciplinarian until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith.
NRSVACE
Therefore the law was our disciplinarian until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith.
NRSVCE
Therefore the law was our disciplinarian until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith.
NTE
Thus the law was like a babysitter for us, looking after us until the coming of the Messiah, so that we might be given covenant membership on the basis of faithfulness.
OJB
This is the result: the Torah functioned as our omenet (governess) to lead us to Moshiach, that by emunah we might be YITZDAK IM HASHEM.
TPT
The law was our guardian until Christ came so that we would be saved by faith.
RGT
So that the Law was our tutor, bringing us to Christ, that we might be made righteous by faith.
RSV
So that the law was our custodian until Christ came, that we might be justified by faith.
RSVCE
So that the law was our custodian until Christ came, that we might be justified by faith.
TLV
Therefore the Torah became our guardian to lead us to Messiah, so that we might be made right based on trusting.
VOICE
So then, the law was like a tutor, assigned to train us and point us to the Anointed, so that we will be acquitted of all wrong and made right by faith.
WEB
So that the law has become our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
WE
The law watched over us, as if we were children, until Christ came. Then God would put us right with himself through faith in Christ.
WYC
And so the law was our under-master in Christ, that we be justified of belief.
YLT
so that the law became our child-conductor -- to Christ, that by faith we may be declared righteous,

Nothing you've offered changes the passage I quoted and what it plainly says.

Why??? "Plainly"???

 

[Bob S]

That's not my understanding of what Yahshua is saying here.

And I suppose you think you are the last word and everyone else should blindly follow you?

(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

(CLV) Mt 7:23
And then shall I be avowing to them that `I never knew you! Depart from Me, workers of lawlessness!'

I assume by your using Matt 7:23 you are telling us that unless we keep the Laws of the old covenant we are lawless. Now that causes a conundrum for me because Paul so plainly wrote Gal 3 which tells us we are not under the laws of the old covenant. Jesus brought them to an end. See verse 19. Verse 19 indeed confirms that in Matt 5:17-18 Jesus did fulfill, (bring to an end) the law.

Your contention that the rest of Christianity are lawless because we don't keep laws that are no longer binding on anyone is hogwash. I truly resent it.

I notice you don't insinuate that SDAs are lawless. They do not keep the feast days like you do, so should you not disqualify them also?

 

[Clare73]

For your assertion of my error(s) to be valid, you must demonstrate the error(s) in my explanation, or your assertion is without merit.

Galatians 1:1-2 ASV
1 Paul, an apostle (not from men, neither through man, but through Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead),
2 and all the brethren that are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

Galatians 3:21 - 4:2 ASV
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could make alive, verily righteousness would have been of the law.
22 But the scripture shut up all things under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we [Gal 1:1-2] were kept in ward under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor.
26 For ye are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ did put on Christ.
28 There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye are Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, heirs according to promise.
01 But I say that so long as the heir is a child, he differeth nothing from a bondservant though he is lord of all;
02 but is under guardians and stewards until the day appointed of the father.

"we" and "our" ~ Galatians 1:1-2, Paul and the brethren who were with him.

"guardians and stewards" ~ Torah, Prophets, and Writings, until the time appointed of the Father, when a babe or child in Messiah becomes a son. Why? because the Torah is become or has become our tutor, schoolmaster, or guardian into/unto Messiah.

"heirs according to promise" ~ see Hebrews 10:35-39 and James 2:21-24 for starters, (and the background context in the Torah from the statements made by Yakob, a.k.a. "James").

See post #28.

I see no specific addressing of specific errors in my post.

Non-responsive.

 

[Clare73]

And I suppose you think you are the last word and everyone else should blindly follow you?
I assume by your using Matt 7:23 you are telling us that unless we keep the Laws of the old covenant we are lawless. Now that causes a conundrum for me because Paul so plainly wrote Gal 3 which tells us we are not under the laws of the old covenant. Jesus brought them to an end. See verse 19. Verse 19 indeed confirms that in Matt 5:17-18 Jesus did fulfill, (bring to an end) the law.

Your contention that the rest of Christianity are lawless because we don't keep laws that are no longer binding on anyone is hogwash. I truly resent it.

I notice you don't insinuate that SDAs are lawless. They do not keep the feast days like you do, so should you not disqualify them also?

. . .

 

[Bob S]

Yes!

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.



Yahshua himself would disagree.


(CLV) Jn 6:38
for I have descended from heaven, not that I should be doing My will, but the will of Him Who sends Me.

(CLV) Jn 12:49
seeing that I speak not from Myself, but the Father Who sends Me, He has given Me the precept, what I may be saying and what I should be speaking.

Jn10:29 for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else. No one can snatch them from the Father’s hand. 30 The Father and I are one.”

 

[daq]

No doubt about disagreeing. I haven't found many agreements when debating with Messianic people. Did not Jacob become Israel and were not his offspring called Israelites??

Yes, of course, but that doesn't automatically mean that is what Paul is talking about when he says "we" and "our" in the passage which was under discussion. Moreover I've already shown my understanding of it right from the same book, Galatians.

Genesis 32:28
Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.” Now you have learned something.

Ask yourself why there are two accounts, and pray about it, and study a little deeper, and perhaps you may come to realize why there are two accounts, and which one is the one wherein his name is actually changed, and what came to pass in between so as to bring him to that point.

It's no different from what has already been described herein, concerning father Abraham, and how the scripture was fulfilled which says Abraham believed God and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness, and he was called the friend of God: for the famous passage you all love to quote so much was not actually fulfilled until Abraham was tested, which was many years later, just as Yakob says in what I already referenced herein. The statement was made in Genesis 15:6 but as Yakob says, it wasn't actually fulfilled until he was tested, which is in Genesis 22.

No father is going to set an untrained untested babe or child over all his goods and house. My understanding runs throughout the entire scripture in patterns and typology: it appears I have simply met another cherry picking tomato thrower, nothing new under the sun.

 

[daq]

KJ21
Therefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
ASV
So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
AMP
with the result that the Law has become our tutor and our disciplinarian to guide us to Christ, so that we may be justified [that is, declared free of the guilt of sin and its penalty, and placed in right standing with God] by faith.

AMPC (I really like this one, don't you?)
So that the Law served [to us Jews] as our trainer [our guardian, our guide to Christ, to lead us] until Christ [came], that we might be justified (declared righteous, put in right standing with God) by and through faith.
BRG
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
CSB
The law, then, was our guardian until Christ, so that we could be justified by faith.
CEB
so that the Law became our custodian until Christ so that we might be made righteous by faith.
CJB
Accordingly, the Torah functioned as a custodian until the Messiah came, so that we might be declared righteous on the ground of trusting and being faithful.
CEV
In fact, the Law was our teacher. It was supposed to teach us until we had faith and were acceptable to God.
DARBY
So that the law has been our tutor up to Christ, that we might be justified on the principle of faith.
DLNT
So then the Law has been our tutor leading-to Christ, in order that we might be declared-righteous by faith.
DRA
Wherefore the law was our pedagogue in Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
ERV
I mean the law was the guardian in charge of us until Christ came. After he came, we could be made right with God through faith.
EHV
So the law was our chaperone until Christ, so that we might be justified by faith.
ESV
So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
ESVUK
So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
EXB
In other words, the law was our ·guardian [child-minder; tutor; C an attendant slave who watched over a child in a wealthy Greco-Roman household] ·leading us to [or until] Christ so that we could be ·made right with God [declared righteous; justified] through faith.
GNV
Wherefore the Law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, that we might be made righteous by faith.
GW
Before Christ came, Moses’ laws served as our guardian. Christ came so that we could receive God’s approval by faith.
GNT
And so the Law was in charge of us until Christ came, in order that we might then be put right with God through faith.
HCSB
The law, then, was our guardian until Christ, so that we could be justified by faith.
ICB
So the law was our master until Christ came. After Christ came, we could be made right with God through faith.
ISV
And so the Law was our guardian until the Messiah came, so that we might be justified by faith.
PHILLIPS
Before the coming of faith we were all imprisoned under the power of the Law, with our only hope of deliverance the faith that was to be shown to us. Or, to change the metaphor, the Law was like a strict governess in charge of us until we went to the school of Christ and learned to be justified by faith in him. Once we had that faith we were completely free from the governess’s authority.
JUB
Therefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
KJV
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
AKJV
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
LEB
So then, the law became our guardian until Christ, in order that we could be justified by faith.
TLB
Let me put it another way. The Jewish laws were our teacher and guide until Christ came to give us right standing with God through our faith.
MSG
Until the time when we were mature enough to respond freely in faith to the living God, we were carefully surrounded and protected by the Mosaic law. The law was like those Greek tutors, with which you are familiar, who escort children to school and protect them from danger or distraction, making sure the children will really get to the place they set out for.
MEV
So the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
MOUNCE
Thus the law was our disciplinarian until the time of Christ, so that we might be declared righteous by faith.
NOG
Before Christ came, Moses’ laws served as our guardian. Christ came so that we could receive God’s approval by faith.
NABRE
Consequently, the law was our disciplinarian for Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
NASB
Therefore the Law has become our guardian to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.
NASB1995
Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.
NCB
Therefore, the Law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, so that we might be justified by faith.
NCV
In other words, the law was our guardian leading us to Christ so that we could be made right with God through faith.
NET
Thus the law had become our guardian until Christ, so that we could be declared righteous by faith.
NIRV
So the law was put in charge of us until Christ came. He came so that we might be made right with God by believing in Christ.
NIV
So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
NIVUK
So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
NKJV
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
NLV
The Law was used to lead us to Christ. It was our teacher, and so we were made right with God by putting our trust in Christ.
NLT
Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith.
NMB
Therefore the law was our schoolmaster to the time of Christ, so that we may be made righteous by faith.
NRSV
Therefore the law was our disciplinarian until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith.
NRSVA
Therefore the law was our disciplinarian until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith.
NRSVACE
Therefore the law was our disciplinarian until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith.
NRSVCE
Therefore the law was our disciplinarian until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith.
NTE
Thus the law was like a babysitter for us, looking after us until the coming of the Messiah, so that we might be given covenant membership on the basis of faithfulness.
OJB
This is the result: the Torah functioned as our omenet (governess) to lead us to Moshiach, that by emunah we might be YITZDAK IM HASHEM.
TPT
The law was our guardian until Christ came so that we would be saved by faith.
RGT
So that the Law was our tutor, bringing us to Christ, that we might be made righteous by faith.
RSV
So that the law was our custodian until Christ came, that we might be justified by faith.
RSVCE
So that the law was our custodian until Christ came, that we might be justified by faith.
TLV
Therefore the Torah became our guardian to lead us to Messiah, so that we might be made right based on trusting.
VOICE
So then, the law was like a tutor, assigned to train us and point us to the Anointed, so that we will be acquitted of all wrong and made right by faith.
WEB
So that the law has become our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
WE
The law watched over us, as if we were children, until Christ came. Then God would put us right with himself through faith in Christ.
WYC
And so the law was our under-master in Christ, that we be justified of belief.
YLT
so that the law became our child-conductor -- to Christ, that by faith we may be declared righteous,

Okay, so you have set up a scripture democracy where the majority opinion of man rules your understanding. However an antinomian bias in the majority doesn't change what is actually written in the scripture, for those things are not understood by majority opinion, but by the scripture itself and the contexts wherein words are employed and defined.

I find it to be much more enlightening to be taught of God's Word rather than the majority opinions of men. I can look and read through the Greek texts and see the bias in translations for myself within the same translations, where they will render the same word (γινομαι) in the same form (γεγονεν) one way when it suits the bias, and the normal correct way when it doesn't affect the bias.

The KJV gets let off the hook on this one because when it was translated they didn't even realize that the Apostolic writings were written in Koine Greek. However, those translations which come later, after this discovery was made, and yet still follow the KJV way of reading ginomai in this instance, (Gal 3:24) are guilty as charged.

As for the KJV we find the same error with the same word in the following passage:

Romans 15:8 KJV
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Romans 15:8 YLT (Young's Literal Translation)
8 And I say Jesus Christ to have become a ministrant of circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises to the fathers,

Both the KJV and the YLT are reading from the same Textus Receptus Greek text: they cannot both be correct, and the understanding of this statement changes dramatically depending on how one reads and understands what it says and means.

The ASV is reading from the N/A and W/H texts which contains the same form (γεγενησθαι) of the same word(γινομαι) and reads in agreement with the sense rendered in the YLT.

Romans 15:8 ASV
8 For I say that Christ hath been made a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, that he might confirm the promises given unto the fathers,

And the same is true with the YLT and ASV in Galatians 3:24 reading the same word in essentially all manuscripts, (morph texts, T/R, N/A, W/H, BYZ, G/O, etc.,).

Galatians 3:24 KJV
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 3:24 YLT
24 so that the law became our child-conductor--to Christ, that by faith we may be declared righteous,

Again here the KJV and the YLT are both reading from the same T/R (Textus Receptus) Greek text: they cannot both be correct, and this is the same word, ginomai, in a slightly different form than Romans 15:8, but again, the same exact problem. And the ASV, which was already quoted previously, reads from the N/A and W/H texts and agrees with the YLT against the KJV.

 

[Bob S]

I have no idea if you are parroting someone else or you are a studied scholar. I do know that the YLT is neutral. It does not prove one way or another. What does prove "was" is the correct tense is found in verse 19 Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised.

So, my friend, we have to ask who that child was that was promised. Well, most Christians would have the answer ready as soon as the question is asked. Do you have a problem with it being Jesus since you have refuted everything else I have written? If most Christians are correct then indeed the law was our schoolmaster. Of course Paul using "our" was referring to the Jews. Gentile nations never had the Law Paul was referring.

 

[daq]

I have no idea if you are parroting someone else or you are a studied scholar. I do know that the YLT is neutral. It does not prove one way or another. What does prove "was" is the correct tense is found in verse 19 Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised.

So, my friend, we have to ask who that child was that was promised. Well, most Christians would have the answer ready as soon as the question is asked. Do you have a problem with it being Jesus since you have refuted everything else I have written? If most Christians are correct then indeed the law was our schoolmaster. Of course Paul using "our" was referring to the Jews. Gentile nations never had the Law Paul was referring.

You did not quote me but it sure looks as though you are responding to me: and if that actually happens to be the case, I will say that your stabs in the dark are incorrect. However, making it personal and calling into question my loyalty and faithfulness to the Messiah simply tells me you have nothing more, and our exchange has run its course.

Nice chatting.

 

[HARK!]

AMPC (I really like this one, don't you?)
So that the Law served [to us Jews] as our trainer [our guardian, our guide to Christ, to lead us] until Christ [came], that we might be justified (declared righteous, put in right standing with God) by and through faith.
BRG
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
CSB
The law, then, was our guardian until Christ, so that we could be justified by faith.
CEB
so that the Law became our custodian until Christ so that we might be made righteous by faith.

It uncanny how Bible translators will change the meanings of words in scripture, to tickle the ears of their customers, to sell more bibles.

You know what they say about the love of money.

γεγονεν

Romans 2:25

New International Version
Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised.

English Standard Version
For circumcision indeed is of value if you obey the law, but if you break the law, your circumcision becomes uncircumcision.

Berean Study Bible
Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.

Berean Literal Bible
For circumcision profits if you do the Law; but if you are a transgressor of Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.

King James Bible
For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

New King James Version
For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.

New American Standard Bible
For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a violator of the Law, your circumcision has turned into uncircumcision.

NASB 1995
For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.

NASB 1977
For indeed circumcision is of value, if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.

Amplified Bible
Circumcision [the sign of the covenant of Abraham] is indeed of value if you practice the Law; but if you habitually break the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision [it is meaningless in God’s sight].

Christian Standard Bible
Circumcision benefits you if you observe the law, but if you are a lawbreaker, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For circumcision benefits you if you observe the law, but if you are a lawbreaker, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.

American Standard Version
For circumcision indeed profiteth, if thou be a doer of the law: but if thou be a transgressor of the law, thy circumcision is become uncircumcision.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For circumcision is beneficial, if you will perfectly observe The Written Law, but if you depart from The Written Law, your circumcision becomes uncircumcision.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Circumcision profiteth indeed, if thou keep the law; but if thou be a transgressor of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

English Revised Version
For circumcision indeed profiteth, if thou be a doer of the law: but if thou be a transgressor of the law, thy circumcision is become uncircumcision.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
For example, circumcision is valuable if you follow Moses' laws. If you don't follow those laws, your circumcision amounts to uncircumcision.

Literal Standard Version
For circumcision, indeed, profits, if you may practice law, but if you may be a transgressor of law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.

NET Bible
For circumcision has its value if you practice the law, but if you break the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.

New Heart English Bible
For circumcision indeed profits, if you are a doer of the law, but if you are a transgressor of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.


World English Bible
For circumcision indeed profits, if you are a doer of the law, but if you are a transgressor of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.

Young's Literal Translation
For circumcision, indeed, doth profit, if law thou mayest practise, but if a transgressor of law thou mayest be, thy circumcision hath become uncircumcision.

 

[HARK!]

And I suppose you think you are the last word and everyone else should blindly follow you?

No; but you might do better with that than following corrupt translations.

 

[HARK!]

19 Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised.

Have you read this in context?

(CLV) Ga 3:15
Brethren (I am saying this as a man), a human covenant likewise having been ratified, not one is repudiating or modifying it.

How much more with a covenant with YHWH almighty?

(CLV) Ga 3:16
Now to Abraham the promises were declared, and to his Seed. He is not saying "And to seeds," as of many, but as of One: And to "your Seed," which is Christ.

(CLV) Ga 3:17
Now this am I saying: a covenant, having been ratified before by God, the law, having come four hundred and thirty years afterward, does not invalidate, so as to nullify the promise.

Here again we see that one covenant doesn't nullify another.


Complete Jewish Bible
37 You are to observe forever the laws, rulings, Torah and mitzvah which he wrote for you. You are not to fear other gods,

Deuteronomy 29:29 CJB
29 "Things which are hidden belong to ADONAI our God. But the things that have been revealed belong to us and our children forever, so that we can observe all the words of this Torah.

(CLV) Ga 3:18
For if the enjoyment of the allotment is of law, it is not longer of promise. Yet God has graciously granted it to Abraham through the promise.

(CLV) Ga 3:19
What, then, is the law? On behalf of transgressions was it added, until the Seed should come to Whom He has promised, being prescribed through messengers in the hand of a mediator.

Abraham obeyed YHWH's Law.

(CLV) Gn 26:5
inasmuch as your father Abraham hearkened to My voice and kept My charge, My instructions, My statutes and My laws.

Some of Abraham's descendants...well....not so much. YHWH had to write in stone for them.

On an interesting side note, where did Paul get that the Law came through Angels? He said in verse 16 that he was speaking as a man, not "thus sayeth YHWH." He doesn't say that Messiah told him. He doesn't say that he had a vision. This scripture can be found in the Book of Jubilees. This book is often referenced by the Apostles.

 

[Bob S]

Have you read this in context?

Are you questioning whether I have studied Gal 3? 19 Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people. Now a mediator is helpful if more than one party must reach an agreement. But God, who is one, did not use a mediator when he gave his promise to Abraham.

Adding the last sentence does not change the fact that the Law ended with the coming of Jesus as you should be able to plainly see. If anything is wrong it is how translators divided some verses. The last sentence of verse 19 would fit in better with verse 20.

(CLV) Ga 3:15
Brethren (I am saying this as a man), a human covenant likewise having been ratified, not one is repudiating or modifying it.

How much more with a covenant with YHWH almighty?

(CLV) Ga 3:16
Now to Abraham the promises were declared, and to his Seed. He is not saying "And to seeds," as of many, but as of One: And to "your Seed," which is Christ.

(CLV) Ga 3:17
Now this am I saying: a covenant, having been ratified before by God, the law, having come four hundred and thirty years afterward, does not invalidate, so as to nullify the promise.

Here again we see that one covenant doesn't nullify another.

The Sinai covenant didn't nullify the Abrahamic covenant because the Abrahamic covenant didn't have a qualifier. The Sinai covenant did and was a simple "IF". EX 19:5-6 5 Now if you will obey me and keep my covenant, you will be my own special treasure from among all the peoples on earth; for all the earth belongs to me. 6 And you will be my kingdom of priests, my holy nation.’ This is the message you must give to the people of Israel.”

Complete Jewish Bible
37 You are to observe forever the laws, rulings, Torah and mitzvah which he wrote for you. You are not to fear other gods,

Deuteronomy 29:29 CJB
29 "Things which are hidden belong to ADONAI our God. But the things that have been revealed belong to us and our children forever, so that we can observe all the words of this Torah.

Yes, the laws of the covenant were to serve Israel forever IF they obeyed them. They didn't and the prophecy of Jeremiah was to prepare and give hope to Israel for a new and better covenant not like the old one. So, again: 19 Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. Israel still had the promise God gave Abraham and so do we. It is an eternal promise just as is the new covenant. No "IFs" in either covenant.

(CLV) Ga 3:18
For if the enjoyment of the allotment is of law, it is not longer of promise. Yet God has graciously granted it to Abraham through the promise.

(CLV) Ga 3:19
What, then, is the law? On behalf of transgressions was it added, until the Seed should come to Whom He has promised, being prescribed through messengers in the hand of a mediator.

Abraham obeyed YHWH's Law.

I hope you mean the laws God gave Abraham and not the ones He gave to Israel 430 years later. Obeying laws was not what saved Abraham. He was still a sinner saved only by the grace of Jesus who died that we might have life everlasting.

(CLV) Gn 26:5
inasmuch as your father Abraham hearkened to My voice and kept My charge, My instructions, My statutes and My laws.

Some of Abraham's descendants...well....not so much. YHWH had to write in stone for them.

Again, if you are referring to the laws given at Sinai you would have a poor grasp of what we are told in Deut 5: 2 “The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Mount Sinai. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our ancestors, but with all of us who are alive today. Should I have to elaborate more?

On an interesting side note, where did Paul get that the Law came through Angels? He said in verse 16 that he was speaking as a man, not "thus sayeth YHWH." He doesn't say that Messiah told him. He doesn't say that he had a vision. This scripture can be found in the Book of Jubilees. This book is often referenced by the Apostles.

Nothing in verse 16 about speaking as a man, but in verse 17 he said: 17 This is what I am trying to say: You may believe that he was not speaking what he learned from God. I personally do not see it that way. I see him using the term as re-writing the subject in a different way so it could be better understood.

Thanks for the interesting observation as to where he may have gotten the fact.