Premillennialism ignores the tenses in the original Greek in order to sustain its teaching

[sovereigngrace]

People who listen to Satan instead of God.

Your question is like asking who are those one third of angels who rebelled, like rebellion is impossible. If it is impossible, why did the angels do it? This change of mind was after the 1000 years ended, not during the 1000 years. If 33% of the angels were allowed to rebel, what is so hard to understand, if 33% of perfect humanity could make the same choice?

Exactly! Sin, sickness, decay, corruption, war and terror, Satan and his demons all continue in your age to come. Billions of rebels against God overrun your millennium. Hardly the perfect age of Aquarius that you portray.

 

[Timtofly]

Exactly! Sin, sickness, decay, corruption, war and terror, Satan and his demons all continue in your age to come. Billions of rebels against God overrun your millennium. Hardly the perfect age of Aquarius that you portray.

So just attack with nonsensical human opinion without Scriptures. Seems you do the same thing you complain about all the time.

 

[sovereigngrace]

So just attack with nonsensical human opinion without Scriptures. Seems you do the same thing you complain about all the time.

Not so. You are living in denial. Your millennium is full of wicked people doing wicked things.

 

[Douggg]

English tutor:

God knows the heart of every person.

Most persons don't have more than one heart.

Yes, He does.

okay, I fixed it. Thanks for pointing out my typo.

 

[sovereigngrace]

So just attack with nonsensical human opinion without Scriptures. Seems you do the same thing you complain about all the time.

Please outline who this wicked global company are.

 

[Timtofly]

Not so. You are living in denial. Your millennium is full of wicked people doing wicked things.

Again, no Scriptural proof to back up your imagination.

 

[Timtofly]

Please outline who this wicked global company are.

One third of the angels. A bunch of humans who listen to Satan just like one third of the Angels did, and just like Adam and Eve did.

They are not Adam and Eve's genetic offspring. They are offspring of those resurrected in Revelation 20:4. Instead of an ark in Noah's day carried 8 souls from sinful genetics, these will be resurrected humans back into an incorruptible state.

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

These are not condemned humanity in Adam's fallen flesh and blood. All of Adam's offspring were wiped out and destroyed. Those humans in the Millennium to come will be under the direct control of Christ the Prince, and any rebellion will be dealt with by instant Death.

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

Daniel 9:24 will be instated, and accomplished at the beginning of these 1000 years. When the 1000 years is over, Satan will be loosed to attempt to change people's minds. Only then will minds be in open rebellion, and will be consumed with fire by God.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Again, no Scriptural proof to back up your imagination.

You are ducking around the obvious: who are these wicked and where do they come from?

 

[Timtofly]

You are ducking around the obvious: who are these wicked and where do they come from?

Certainly not your imagination, void of any Scripture to make your point.

 

[sovereigngrace]

One third of the angels. A bunch of humans who listen to Satan just like one third of the Angels did, and just like Adam and Eve did.

They are not Adam and Eve's genetic offspring. They are offspring of those resurrected in Revelation 20:4. Instead of an ark in Noah's day carried 8 souls from sinful genetics, these will be resurrected humans back into an incorruptible state.

Are you serious? How are they not Adam and Eve's genetic offspring? Are you saying the wicked inherit the age to come after they die and are resurrected to procreate and produce a wicked offspring as the sand of the sea?

None of the wicked in Noah's day were resurrected after being destroyed and procreated again! This is fanciful. So, please do not even go there. No wonder you have been ducking around this issue for months.

These are not condemned humanity in Adam's fallen flesh and blood. All of Adam's offspring were wiped out and destroyed. Those humans in the Millennium to come will be under the direct control of Christ the Prince, and any rebellion will be dealt with by instant Death.

Where exactly do you get this in the Bible? It seems like you are winging it now!

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

Daniel 9:24 will be instated, and accomplished at the beginning of these 1000 years. When the 1000 years is over, Satan will be loosed to attempt to change people's minds. Only then will minds be in open rebellion, and will be consumed with fire by God.

Daniel 9:24 says nothing in regard to your wild claims. You have presented nothing of biblical worth because your allegations are not found in the Bible. Someone must have taught you this.

 

[Timtofly]

Are you serious? How are they not Adam and Eve's genetic offspring? Are you saying the wicked inherit the age to come after they die and are resurrected to procreate and produce a wicked offspring as the sand of the sea?

None of the wicked in Noah's day were resurrected after being destroyed and procreated again! This is fanciful. So, please do not even go there. No wonder you have been ducking around this issue for months.



Where exactly do you get this in the Bible? It seems like you are winging it now!



Daniel 9:24 says nothing in regard to your wild claims. You have presented nothing of biblical worth because your allegations are not found in the Bible. Someone must have taught you this.

Why do you misquote me all the time? Try again, instead of jumping to your imagination.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Why do you misquote me all the time? Try again, instead of jumping to your imagination.

Where did i misquote you? Why not explain your teaching.

 

[Timtofly]

Where did i misquote you? Why not explain your teaching.

Why not address my post again, this time, not jumping to conclusions. Surely it was not that long and difficult. You do not accept the concept of a resurrection as given?

 

[jgr]

One third of the angels. A bunch of humans who listen to Satan just like one third of the Angels did, and just like Adam and Eve did.

They are not Adam and Eve's genetic offspring. They are offspring of those resurrected in Revelation 20:4. Instead of an ark in Noah's day carried 8 souls from sinful genetics, these will be resurrected humans back into an incorruptible state.

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

These are not condemned humanity in Adam's fallen flesh and blood. All of Adam's offspring were wiped out and destroyed. Those humans in the Millennium to come will be under the direct control of Christ the Prince, and any rebellion will be dealt with by instant Death.

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

Daniel 9:24 will be instated, and accomplished at the beginning of these 1000 years. When the 1000 years is over, Satan will be loosed to attempt to change people's minds. Only then will minds be in open rebellion, and will be consumed with fire by God.

Complete bilge, bunk, and bafflegab.

Can you cite one recognized Bible scholar who claims that "They are not Adam and Eve's genetic offspring?"

 

[sovereigngrace]

Why not address my post again, this time, not jumping to conclusions. Surely it was not that long and difficult. You do not accept the concept of a resurrection as given?

If you refuse to embrace what Scripture teaches, then you have no other option but to avoid a simple question. That is because what you propose is both outlandish and unbiblical. Revelation 20 shows that the resurrection at the end occurs after Satan's little season, not before it as you claim.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Complete bilge, bunk, and bafflegab.

Plus ‘smoke and mirrors’

 

[Timtofly]

Complete bilge, bunk, and bafflegab.

Can you cite one recognized Bible scholar who claims that "They are not Adam and Eve's genetic offspring?"

In other words you will always remain a son of Adam and Eve.

You just confessed being a son of God is complete bilge, bunk, and bafflegab.

I do not agree with you, but if you insist, I have no argument to convince you otherwise.

 

[Timtofly]

If you refuse to embrace what Scripture teaches, then you have no other option but to avoid a simple question. That is because what you propose is both outlandish and unbiblical. Revelation 20 shows that the resurrection at the end occurs after Satan's little season, not before it as you claim.

Revelation 20:4

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

The resurrection is prior to the 1000 years.

Revelation 20:7-8

"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."

Satan's little season is after the 1000 years.

"And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

 

[sovereigngrace]

Revelation 20:4

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

The resurrection is prior to the 1000 years.

Revelation 20:7-8

"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."

Satan's little season is after the 1000 years.

"And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

Your fight is with the text. The general resurrection is after the millennium and after Satan's little season. It might help you to actually read the text in question instead of advancing what you have been taught. Why are you ignoring verses 11-15?

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Hello! Satan has his little season, and is then destroyed at the second coming. The corrupt earth flees at His appearance. It is then that all men are finally and eternally judged. The resurrection of the dead therefore occurs after Satan's little season, not before it.

 

[sovereigngrace]

You just confessed being a son of God is complete bilge, bunk, and bafflegab.

You are deliberately misrepresenting what a poster wrote. This is not allowed on this board. You have to do this, because you have no answer to the rebuttals here.