New Interpretation of the bible

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Your laughter is you failing to understand

Friend, Hebrew was my first language, my response is based on knowledge.

I did not see your answer to my question about are you...

Than again I have not read all the posts yet.
 
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We were predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ.

What is that image that Jesus presented to us?

Ephesians 1:15
For this reason I too, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which exists among you and your love for all the saints.

Ephesians 3:17
So that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; and that you, being rooted and grounded in love.

1 John 4:8
The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Friend, add 2 Peter 1 virtues to your list. :)
 
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Friend??

so that ‘Seeing they may see and not perceive, And hearing they may hear and not understand; Lest they should turn, And their sins be forgiven them.’ ”

Your anti intellectualism is showing.
 
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I think you misunderstood, my friend. He appeared to quote Deuteronomy 17:17, but he either quoted a version I did not recognize or he created his own translation because he added the word “distraction” to the verse. I asked him which Bible translation he is referring to and he has not replied back yet.

Note: Yes, I have known the forum has a Modern bible translation available whereby we can read it by hovering our mouse over the verse posted. But our fellow neighborhood CF poster who quoted Deuteronomy 17:17 was not quoting from the ASV on the forums, though. The word “distraction” is not in the ASV translation on the forums.

In any event, I hope this clears things up.
May God bless you, friend.

Like most people in cults he has been avoiding answering questions. I asked if he is a Jw or LDS and yet he has not answered. Don't expect honesty from him.
 
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Hearing a different sermon does not mean that a particular denomination are teaching a different branch , when you have a situation where different branches of something they being taught egg maths you would go somewhere and learn algebra and somewhere different for Pythagoras theorem, knowing these different branches would give you a the complete knowledge in maths. different denominations don’t teach different branches of scripture they teach there theory on a particular scripture if you were to attend a service in the morning in one denomination and then later that day in a different denomination it would be taught different hence why people on here post completely different things on different topics day in day out.

eg Jw don’t believe in the trinity so how can they all be the same but different branches .

There is no "trinity" officially. Just as the title "Ten Commandment's" was invented as a teaching tool.
 
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How to scare someone at your door to convert you.

Have your Son play his trumpet. Say Wow Jesus the Almighty God is returning and Point in the air behind them, when they look away disappear into a side room.
Be sure to add that to your building plans. I have a closet there.
 
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Is that a no-no ting?

Yes, friend we are to love God with all our mind. The verses about false knowledge worn about Gnosticism or a false religion.

The Scandal of the Evangelical Mindbooks.google.com › books
Mark A. Noll

The State of the American Mind
16 Leading Critics on the New Anti-Intellectualism
By Jean Twenge, E.D. Hirsch, Maggie Jackson, Nicholas Eberstadt, Greg Lukianoff, Robert Whitaker, David Mindich, Richard Arum, R.R. Reno, Ilya Somin, Jonathan Kay, Steve Wasserman, Gerald Graff, Dennis Prager, Daniel Dreisbach · 2015

Full gospel, fractured minds? : a call to use God's gift of the intellect / Rick M. Nañez.

Love Your God with All Your Mind: The Role of Reason in the ...
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J.P. Moreland · 2014

Your Mind Matters: The Place of the Mind in the Christian Lifebooks.google.com › books
John Stott · 2013

Habits of the Mind: Intellectual Life as a Christian Callingbooks.google.com › books
James W. Sire · 2013

Leaving the Witness: Exiting a Religion and Finding a Lifebooks.google.com › books
Amber Scorah · 2020

When I was in the cults, I walked away from stupid people who were anti intellectual because they were fools.
 
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Like most people in cults he has been avoiding answering questions. I asked if he is a Jw or LDS and yet he has not answered. Don't expect honesty from him.

Unfortunately, liberalism and Ecumenism is being espoused or implied in this thread by a few. I believe we should separate from having fellowship with believers who hold to extremely heretical beliefs. But we should also pray and love, and do good towards them, as well. It’s difficult to do good towards those who appear to be like enemies by their belief and or by the insanity that they speak, but we must love regardless. We stay holy and separate from them, but we can love them sometimes from afar or show them love on occasion (without fellowship).
 
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Proverbs 1:3
They will teach you to develop your mind in the right way. You will learn to do what is right and to be honest and fair.

Matthew 22:37
Jesus answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’

Acts 17:11
The people in Berea were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica. They were so glad to hear the message Paul told them. They studied the Scriptures every day to make sure that what they heard was really true.

Romans 14:5
Some people might believe that one day is more important than another. And others might believe that every day is the same. Everyone should be sure about their beliefs in their own mind.

Ephesians 1:18
I pray that God will open your minds to see his truth. Then you will know the hope that he has chosen us to have. You will know that the blessings God has promised his holy people are rich and glorious.
 
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When I was in the cults, I walked away from stupid people who were anti intellectual because they were fools.

All Christians are considered fools. It's Biblical.
I am happy to be called names by people.
 
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There are over 46 thousand denominations in the world, all believe they have the truth.
That seems an impossibly high figure. I want to see the evidence for it.

Protestants are the neighbours of other Christians - so those other Christians have a duty not to exaggerate the divisions among Protestants. I would like to see mention of the many bonds - visible & invisible - among Protestants. To mention only their visible divisions, is to leave the reader with a distorted picture.

And, the divisions in Protestantism affect all Christians - most definitely including non-Protestants. Conversely, every blessing granted to Protestantism in any of its parts, is in some way or measure a blessing to other Protestants, & to non-Protestant Christians well.

Besides, their human divisions are no bar to God's using them. If God were disabled by human sin, He would be totally helpless. The historical, human, fact of divisions upon Earth is never the whole story, because it leaves out what God does.
 
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the printing press is to blame. it is the single-handed greatest invention of all time eclipsed only by the modern computer. it allows printed books to be widely produced, inexpensive, and widely accessible to what was once only available to the elite of the day.

The printing press comes about c. 1450 and in early 1500s a critical greek text was produced which allowed a far wider audience to the original languages of the bible, with basic greek understanding and help by greek dictionaries anyone could interpret the bible. The result was a shift of power from the few to every tribe and language holding this power themselves.

Without the printing press the reformation would have amounted to nothing but a back alley group of protestors quickly silenced. Today the internet carries that power again even further down the line where not only the educated but now anyone with a computer and the ability to read regardless of education can interpret the bible.

William Tyndale during the early parts of the reformation, made possible through printed texts because of the printing press, is credited with the first English translation, which later got him burnt at the stake.

1. Tyndale translated the NT, and parts of the OT - not the whole Bible. Miles Coverdale, subsequently Bishop of Exeter under Elizabeth, finished Tyndale's work; the Coverdale Bible was published in 1537, the year following Tyndale's execution.

2. The 2 Wycliffite translations were made in the late 14th century, and were of the entire Bible.

3. Parts of the Bible were translated into Old English, centuries earlier still.

4. Tyndale was burnt for heresy - not for translating the Bible.
He is quoted saying "If God spare my life, ere many years I will cause a boy who drives a plough to know more of the scriptures than you do".
1. Is that anecdote the record of something he genuinely said - or is it attributed to him on insufficient grounds ?

2. To whom was Tyndale speaking or writing ? The anecdote is very familiar, but it is never, IME, given a context, let alone references.
That vision of the lowest of us or "a boy who drives a plough" did not quite come to fruition in this lifetime but where the printing press could not the internet can and now quite literally a farmhand, cashier, stockboy, etc... can interpret the bible responsibly through the wide and available resources made available today.
That sounds rather optimistic, to say the least.
the many interpretations of today have their cons but the pros are that it keeps us sharpened and accountable
That God can write straight with man's crooked lines, is no justification for the crooked lines. Accountability is not so great a good that turning what ought to be unity among Christians into a Babel of contending tongues is a price worth paying for it.
and I believe the reformation did actually "reform" the church, including the Roman Catholic church, as the reformers challenged the system and kept it accountable. Anyone can have their soapbox and spew whatever they want, from the oldest of traditions to the newest and there is plenty of history that tells us it has happened. but because of things like the printing press, the reformation, and even the internet if it's wrong it will be vehemently challenged and renounced no different than ecumenical councils of old that ordained doctrine as well forbade it and making it heretical. The heretical groups of today are effectively exiled and barred from wide acceptance because of the system of accountability that surrounds these doctrines that don't allow them to go further than fringe groups.
A lot of people think certain very large, very influential, mainstream groups are heretical.

And although their doctrines have been "challenged", those groups don't "renounce" them.
 
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But Christianity is based on just one word, LOVE.
Christian ethics is a distraction from the fundamental doctrines of Christianity.
That's like saying that the binding, ink, paper, and print of a Bible are distractions from the Bible.
 
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Most Bibles dont go through translation through the Catholic church. NIV is a major example of this which had no Catholics on the team.

As I do read Greek, any translation by a single individual should be avoided. When I was in seminary, my had to translate the Gospel according to John and then compare. While everyone was close, there were differences in some wording. Even in the Greek Orthodox church, we have three main translations of the services for Holy Week and they all have differences.

While your concern makes logical sense, on principal I am more open to reading these translations to supplement others; this is primarily because no major translation from a body of dozens if not hundreds of established authorities will veer much from established translations and "Christian" standards--this is because of institutionalized religious culture, which brings me to clarify the main point:

The official church, then known as the Catholic Church, through various councils, developed a somewhat idiosyncratic ecclesiastical vocabulary over centuries. The English translations we have today are influenced by this, and by the King James translational approach, as well. This new translation tries to return to the original Greek in fluid American English (obviously this would take a paraphrase approach to translation). This is the introduction, which explains its goal, followed by an extract from Luke 12:

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Like most people in cults he has been avoiding answering questions. I asked if he is a Jw or LDS and yet he has not answered. Don't expect honesty from him.

He ignores anyone who does not submit before his steamroller of KJVO propaganda.
 
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