Capitol rioter compares attacks on her to treatment of ‘Jews in Germany’

[Aldebaran]

Chansley, like others who entered the Senate chamber was charged with obstruction of a proceeding [ 18 USC 1512(c)(2) ] given that it was difficult for the Senate to meet if some guy with a spear was in the presiding officer's chair. ( He was also charge with civil disorder [18 USC 231] for acts that impeded law enforcement. Not everyone in the Chamber was so charged.)

They had all left the chamber before he arrived.

While in the chair, Chansley left a threatening note for the Vice President.

Threatening? What ever did it say? I sure hope it's something that could be repeated here. I'm very interested in finding out how "threatening" it was.

 

[Aldebaran]

200 years ago, ALL of these people would have been strung out and hung up by their necks with barely a thought.

Now, 6 months in prison likens them to being systemically gassed by an oppressive regime.

Nonsense. For a group that LOOOOVES thinking about the Constitution as a sacred, immutable document, they sure don't like justice being foisted upon them when the contradict it. Perhaps justice of a more primitive time would help them understand since that is where there understadning of the constitution seems hinged.

I've grown accustomed to being mocked when I claim that if things aren't as bad as 200 years ago, it's acceptable. I guess the standard really is double.

 

[Hans Blaster]

They had all left the chamber before he arrived.



Threatening? What ever did it say? I sure hope it's something that could be repeated here. I'm very interested in finding out how "threatening" it was.

"ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME"
"JUSTICE IS COMING!"

The judge didn't think this was nothing, nor did the DOJ.

 

[renniks]

She apparently has to pay $1500 and spend 2 months in a federal prison for "parading" in the Capitol building.

Anyone who calls that a light sentence cannot be taken seriously, especially after the burning and pillaging of Seattle and Portland wasn't deemed sufficient to have those people charged with anything!

Exactly.

 

[rambot]

I've grown accustomed to being mocked when I claim that if things aren't as bad as 200 years ago, it's acceptable. I guess the standard really is double.

How so?

 

[rambot]

She apparently has to pay $1500 and spend 2 months in a federal prison for "parading" in the Capitol building.

Anyone who calls that a light sentence cannot be taken seriously, especially after the burning and pillaging of Seattle and Portland wasn't deemed sufficient to have those people charged with anything!

1) She was not "parading", she was tresspassing in a federal building. How could that be okay?
2) If her INTENTION was only to to "parade" why the heck did she say "Life or death, it doesn't matter. Here we go".
I've been to plenty of parades in my life. Never worried about dying at them.

She was also doing EXACTLY what President Trump wanted her to do. Exactly that. So she's confused that, why would President Trump tell me to do somethin illegal? Frankly, I gotta say, it's kinda icky; I hate the idea that anyone would say "I'm just doing what my president told me to"; Like, where did your executive functioning go? Where was the part of your brain that supposed to encourage you to make good decisions?

 

[bekkilyn]

You claim this is an entirely true statement:
"You should know by now that unless you completely agree with woke liberalism 100% then you're automatically an election denier ..."

I suspect that you might point me to a poster who claims that if you're on the fence, 50/50, then you have denied the official account from every government election official who says that Biden legitimately won with 100 % certainty. But election officials are not "Woke Liberals".

Should one of them turn out not to be woke-friendly later concerning some other issue, that person would still automatically be deemed an "election denier" along with all the other descriptions of people who go against the woke narrative. It doesn't matter what the truth actually is. The woke liberal agenda is about lies and they will lie about everything if necessary to move the agenda forward.

My original statement stands.

 

[Aldebaran]

"ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME"
"JUSTICE IS COMING!"

The judge didn't think this was nothing, nor did the DOJ.

So?
What's wrong with justice? The DOJ should certainly appreciate the value of justice.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

So?
What's wrong with justice? The DOJ should certainly appreciate the value of justice.

If BLM left a letter saying that in your mailbox, you wouldn’t be turning that over to the FBI as some sort of threat? You would just think, “Good, justice is a good thing.”?

 

[ArmenianJohn]

To an extent I see their point.

To an extent, so do I, although probably not in the way they're thinking.

I try to teach my kids that labels are not nice ways to identify people. I don't want my children calling other people jerks, idiots etc.

Well, I think we can use labels for good or bad, so it's not the labels per se as it is how we use them. The labels "hero" and "helper" are good ones I'd want kids to know, and we even teach them negative ones for their own safety, like "stranger". Life is full of labels whether we like it or not.

That said, I'm not convinced the poor persecuted right wing would really notice if we start doing what I tell my kids to do. The nuance of sayingy "Youre talking like a racist/election denier/transphobe/etc", I don't think is going to make much difference. Much like most humans they don't like it when they are labelled with negative descriptors. What's odd is that they don't seem to have seen the correlation between what they say and the labels.

Well we just saw them complain about being called "election denier" and "anti-vaxxer" and explicitly identifying "the woke left" (or was it the "woke liberals"? so hard to keep track) as the evil perpetrators of the labeling. That's how oblivious they are to their own use of labels.

 

[rambot]

If BLM left a letter saying that in your mailbox, you wouldn’t be turning that over to the FBI as some sort of threat? You would just think, “Good, justice is a good thing.”?

Justice is a problem if someone gets in trouble for something you agree with.

Should one of them turn out not to be woke-friendly later concerning some other issue, that person would still automatically be deemed an "election denier" along with all the other descriptions of people who go against the woke narrative. It doesn't matter what the truth actually is. The woke liberal agenda is about lies and they will lie about everything if necessary to move the agenda forward.

My original statement stands.

So you believe the liberals throw those labels on people they disagree with because liberals lie about things?
You think it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what right wing posters argue, believe or write? NOTHING at all. The problem is the liberals?

 

[ArmenianJohn]

You mean protesting while white?

Yes! So you agree about white privilege - I'm stunned!

 

[rambot]

Well we just saw them complain about being called "election denier" and "anti-vaxxer" and explicitly identifying "the woke left" (or was it the "woke liberals"? so hard to keep track) as the evil perpetrators of the labeling. That's how oblivious they are to their own use of labels.

It does seem almost like some kinda weird psychosis to deny yourself the title of what you yourself are doing just because you're angry at someone you disagree with.

Why not just be a PROUD election denier? You think transpeople are sick in the head, just call yourself a transphobe! Embrace it. It's not like you can rationally argue that you're not. I mean, at least Nazis had the courtesy to say that they hated Jews and be consistent.

Embrace all those ugly and stupid, uninformed thoughts you hold. Don't be ashamed of them. If that nonsense is important to you, you should shout it from the rooftops!

 

[bekkilyn]

Justice is a problem if someone gets in trouble for something you agree with.

So you believe the liberals throw those labels on people they disagree with because liberals lie about things?
You think it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what right wing posters argue, believe or write? NOTHING at all. The problem is the liberals?

Yes, the problem is the woke liberals. Extreme right wingers are like the Romulans. The woke left is the Borg.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

The woke left is the Borg.

The woke left is a legendary champion? If you say so!!!

 

[Aldebaran]

If BLM left a letter saying that in your mailbox, you wouldn’t be turning that over to the FBI as some sort of threat? You would just think, “Good, justice is a good thing.”?

It wasn't put in anyone's mailbox.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yes! So you agree about white privilege - I'm stunned!

It was a question, not a statement.
Are you saying that only white people are privileged to protest?

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

It wasn't put in anyone's mailbox.

Ok. If BLM left a letter saying that on your desk at work, you wouldn’t be turning that over to the FBI as some sort of threat? You would just think, “Good, justice is a good thing.”?

 

[JustOneWay]

The woke left is a legendary champion? If you say so!!!

Seven of Nine's husband was republican!

 

[ArmenianJohn]

It was a question, not a statement.
Are you saying that only white people are privileged to protest?

Yes, I know it was a question, that's why I answered it. And you used the term "protesting while white" indicating you're well aware of her white privilege. I'm agreeing with you on that!