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Capitol rioter compares attacks on her to treatment of ‘Jews in Germany’

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by ArmenianJohn, Jan 5, 2022.

  1. ArmenianJohn

    ArmenianJohn Politically Liberal Christian Fundamentalist

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    Capitol rioter compares attacks on her to treatment of ‘Jews in Germany’ (yahoo.com)

    Capitol rioter Jenna Ryan speaks out before federal prison sentence (today.com)

    From the article:
    No, we have an idea what her beliefs are. A very good idea, in fact, based on what she herself has broadcasted to the world.

    If you don't want to be seen as a caricature then don't put yourself out there as one.

    And of course, what can I even say about the "Jews in Germany" remark - it just says it all about her victim mentality. She feels as though being held responsible for her own actions and words makes her a victim of persecution exactly how a Jew in Germany would be thrown into a concentration camp and tortured until killed. This is what this woman thinks. And the worst thing about this is that she even KNOWS that it is wrong to compare herself to the victims of the Holocaust because she goes on to acknowledge that she doesn't want to repeat it and that she knows others have also been criticized for saying it.

    Why is nobody on the conservative side calling for accountability and responsibility on her part? Why is every conservative silent about this woman's attitude and behavior? I can only surmise it's because they empathize and relate to her and her mindset. Perhaps I'm wrong - someone can feel free to show me where my conclusion is wrong.

    The second link above is her interview on the TODAY show this morning. She certainly seems regretful, but not for what she did so much as for being caught and being held accountable. She brought her prison sentence upon herself in so many ways and on so many levels.

    Sadly and quite pathetically she says in that interview "I wish people would change their minds and love me". I pray for her that she turns to Jesus so that His Love can fill the void in her soul and help her repent and change from her foolish and self-destructive ways.
     
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  2. rambot

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    Too many losers who are not used to losing, compare their situation to the "Jews in the Holocaust" because they have NO idea about what being inconvinienced feels like and so they assume that since the Jews were inconvinienced, their situations are comparable.

    It's intellectually bereft of thought and reason and is pure hubris.
     
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  3. Aldebaran

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    Being attacked, imprisoned with no trial date, and being isolated the entire year is being "inconvenienced"?
     
  4. ArmenianJohn

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    I always struggle over using the word "hubris" with these people because although it's probably the strongest word for what it is describing I feel like there should be an even stronger word for their level of pridefulness, the extremes of which would make Shakespeare blush.
     
  5. ArmenianJohn

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    So you're saying she is correct in that she is being persecuted the way the Jews in Germany were?
     
  6. childeye 2

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    "These people" whom you are referring to, are deceived. They are unreasonable through the self-fulfilling negative prejudice of cynicism. Cynicism is as hypocritical in judgment as presuming someone is guilty until proven innocent. That's what Trump's lie is all based on, cynicism.
     
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  7. Brihaha

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    I believe this is the lady the media dubbed "insurrection barbie". She actually tweeted that she would avoid being sent to prison because her skin was white. These people are disgusting. She sounded absolutely aware of her white priveleges while boasting on social media.
     
  8. Ophiolite

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    You are smart enough, and educated enough, and perceptive enough to understand exactly what was being said by @rambot , so please don't make such disingenuous, hypocritical posts. It is unseemly.
     
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  9. Hans Blaster

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    Until yesterday, Jenna Ryan was only in custody for that brief period between her arrest and first appearance in court (either later that day or the next day). She was provided with the list of charges at arrest and always permitted a lawyer of her choosing. (She ain't poor, so she didn't get a free lawyer.)

    A month after her arrest she was formally charged:

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1379276/download

    and six months after that plead guilty to one of the charges against her (while the others were dropped).

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1428186/download

    After hearing arguments from her lawyer and the government, she was sentenced to 60 days in prison at a hearing 2 months ago.

    Yesterday she finally reported for her term in prison. She'll have to serve 85% of it before early release for good behavior is considered.

    Her persecution complex is rather extreme. Thankfully she won't be available to media for about 8 weeks.
     
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  10. ArmenianJohn

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    The truly sad part of her whole story is that she got a light prison sentence.
     
  11. Albion

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    You know what? I wanted to give you a fair hearing, mainly because you avoided some of the extreme ravings that often go with the rehashing of claims about Trump's help in arranging an insurrection last year, blah blah blah.

    So how did my look at the matter turn out? As soon as I started to read the links provided, my eyes fell upon the claim, apparently made with all seriousness, that we as a country had come close to losing our democracy on January 6. Yes, seriously. That's what it said.

    So, maybe you can appreciate that "conservatives" have not spoken out as much as you think they should have BECAUSE they are weary of people who want to create a crisis where there wasn't one. And because nothing that they can say or have said will get those who want to ride January 6 to a victory in the 2022 elections to stop saying that conservatives have been silent, etc.

    Having said that, they absolutely don't sympathize with the demonstrations of last year and have said so (yes, I have heard this from conservative after conservative even if you haven't). But they didn't also buy into the hyped-up and absurd claims that always are added into the story by "progressives."
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    Your claim is so far from the facts on several points that it almost doesn't merit any reply, but I decided to mention only a part of the disinformation now being served up in eager anticipation of the anniversary of January 6.
     
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  12. Albion

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    She apparently has to pay $1500 and spend 2 months in a federal prison for "parading" in the Capitol building.

    Anyone who calls that a light sentence cannot be taken seriously, especially after the burning and pillaging of Seattle and Portland wasn't deemed sufficient to have those people charged with anything!
     
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  13. childeye 2

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    No one is saying Trump helped in arranging an insurrection. They're saying his lie that the election was stolen, was the impetus.
     
  14. Albion

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    That's a good one! ^_^

    It took me about 10 seconds to find this article from a news service called DemocracyNow.org which went on and on about the matter and I'll quote only one part from the article which is entitled
    Columnist Will Bunch: Trump Came Much Closer to Pulling Off a January 6 Coup Than People Realize
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    "Trump might somehow declare a national emergency — which, as you know, in many countries around the world, that’s basically a code name for a coup, right? — and that as part of this national emergency, he might even seize paper election ballots or seize voting machines, which would just be a mess."
     
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  15. JustOneWay

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    Jan 6th was a crisis created by Trump, and his claim is that the election was stolen from him. We know for a fact, the election was not stolen. Maybe if Trump supporters could lose the 'created crisis' of a stolen election, they could start speaking again.
     
  16. Hans Blaster

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    I think it's possible that he was involved in the planning of the attack or at least knew about it, but the evidence for that is not clear, but this isn't the thread for that.

    This thread is about Miss "I'm rich and blonde so I won't go to jail" going to prison. She's a very minor figure in all of this but her flaunting of privilege makes this a rather nice moment in an otherwise somber week.
     
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  17. childeye 2

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    No, seriously. The term "arranging" is not something Trump would do. He would let someone else do that. Someone like Steve Bannon. But it's ultimately the lie that this woman believed that caused her to show up there.
     
  18. Albion

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    Of course we do NOT know that, and it's because the winners of the 2020 election have moved Heaven and Earth to prevent the investigation that would settle the matter...and settle it for the people who currently think that the election was stolen as well.

    You'd think that if the people who agree with you are as confident about the matter as they say, they'd be the first ones to want to put the matter to rest by showing conclusive evidence from audits that the election was fair. But guess what? They aren't!
     
  19. rambot

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    You don't post details and evidence a) because there is none and b) then you'd have to recognize how flimsy and ridiculous the comparison remains.

    I hope you don't spout that bull at Jewish people; they're getting pretty tired of that nonsense.

    And Honestly, your post pretty much confirms what I said. Demonstrate how their timelines are worse than any other criminal.
     
  20. Halbhh

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    Strictly speaking, not many truly 'conservative' people I personally know are actually pro-rioters or even pro-trump. (many conservatives I know are not pro-Trump at all)

    Instead, strictly speaking the agenda of pro-Trumpers isn't entirely trying to conserve the American way of the last 50 years, or even every part of the U.S. Constitution.

    Instead, it includes an aim is to radically change things. We probably should not label that grouping 'conservative'.

    Conservative: (in a political context) favoring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially traditional ideas.

    For instance, Florida Governor DeSantis has worked to usurp the right of private businesses like Disney and Cruise Ship Lines to run their own business their own way and require vaccinations from employees.

    A truly conservative attitude would be that businesses should be able to run their own operations in their own ways, and have the right to have requirements of their employees, such as vaccinations.
     
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