Christian Universalism. What's not to like?

[Hmm]

I'm all about deconstruction. So, there's that. I can't help myself. Just like you can't help yourself.

Fair enough but, logically, shouldn't you also deconstruct your own way of thinking as well as everyone else's? Have you ever tried doing that? What did you learn?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Fair enough but, logically, shouldn't you also deconstruct your own way of thinking as well as everyone else's? Have you ever tried doing that? What did you learn?

[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]! Of course I've applied deconstructive analysis to my own "way of thinking." That's why I'm an Existentialist and not a cranky and crotchety Foundationalist for crying out loud! ... It's also why I'm not an Intuitionist, either, among other mental and epistemic states one may think he or she is 'actually in.'

What did I learn? I learned an axiom, the same one I've mentioned in this thread already.

By the way, since you're a mathematician, have you studied the Philosophy (-ies) of Mathematics? And before you respond, here's a hint at what my position will be to it: I'm no Platonist in the least.

 

[Der Alte]

God did those things knowing that He would resurrect them later. What's not to like?
As for your comments on the quotes of Jesus' statements about His purpose for being here...well my friend, what He said IS the context. What can outside context add or take away from the words of Jesus? Again, what's not to like?

Scripture. After the resurrection, what happens? Matthew 25:31-46 ring any bells? or Hebrews 9:27, Hebrews 10:27, James 2:13, 2 Peter 2:9, 2 Peter 3:7,
Matthew 7:22-23
I was responding to someone who was arguing that God would not do certain things because a human loving father would not do them.

 

[Der Alte]

I never said "universal" hermeneutics. See? You're reaching again, trying to fill in the missing blank with your own intuited guesswork as to what someone else means. You need to stop doing that, Hmm. And so does @Der Alte.

For instance? I'm not aware that I "fill in the missing blanks with [my] own intuited guesswork as to what someone else means."

 

[Der Alte]

God did those things knowing that He would resurrect them later. What's not to like?
As for your comments on the quotes of Jesus' statements about His purpose for being here...well my friend, what He said IS the context. What can outside context add or take away from the words of Jesus? Again, what's not to like?

Sounds like a back handed way of saying. "You're wrong and I'm right. Am too! Nuh huh!" without really saying anything of merit. Which comments are you referring to, that I supposedly made of Jesus' purpose? IIRC I don't make comments I merely highlight. Don't like what I post go talk to the boss, I only quote.

 

[Lazarus Short]

Scripture. After the resurrection, what happens? Matthew 25:31-46 ring any bells? or Hebrews 9:27, Hebrews 10:27, James 2:13, 2 Peter 2:9, 2 Peter 3:7,
Matthew 7:22-23
I was responding to someone who was arguing that God would not do certain things because a human loving father would not do them.

As you might guess, I can easily fit all those verses within a UR framework. Assuming that they prove or even hint of ECT is just that: an assumption. What's not to like?

 

[Lazarus Short]

Sounds like a back handed way of saying. Which comments are you referring to, that I supposedly made of Jesus' purpose? IIRC I don't make comments I merely highlight. Don't like what I post go talk to the boss, I only quote.

I suppose I was referring to this (post #4982):
"Anybody can make the Bible say almost anything they want it to by quoting selective scriptures out-of-context. Every heterodox religious group out there does it." - Der Alte

Then, there's this gem: ""You're wrong and I'm right. Am too! Nuh huh!" without really saying anything of merit." Right after saying I'm "back handed"!

Finally, "I only quote." Was that a quote?

 

[Der Alte]

As you might guess, I can easily fit all those verses within a UR framework. Assuming that they prove or even hint of ECT is just that: an assumption. What's not to like?

No you can't! That's not the first time I have quoted those vss. If you could have fit them into a UR framework you would have done so quite some time ago. Just to put me in my place.
What folks over there often don't understand, or take into consideration is everything you read in the Bible must be understood from a then contemporary point of view. They didn't have Iphones with 5-6 Bible versions, as I do, including Hebrew, Greek and Korean, where they could instantly cross reference any other verses.
Korean because my wife is Korean and she sometimes asks me about certain verses.

 

[Der Alte]

I suppose I was referring to this (post #4982):
"Anybody can make the Bible say almost anything they want it to by quoting selective scriptures out-of-context. Every heterodox religious group out there does it." - Der Alte
Then, there's this gem: ""You're wrong and I'm right. Am too! Nuh huh!" without really saying anything of merit." Right after saying I'm "back handed"!
Finally, "I only quote." Was that a quote?

How is any of this me commenting on Jesus' purpose? I did not say you were back handed. I said a backhanded way of saying something.

 

[Lazarus Short]

No you can't! That's not the first time I have quoted those vss. If you could have fit them into a UR framework you would have done so quite some time ago. Just to put me in my place.
What folks over there often don't understand, or take into consideration is everything you read in the Bible must be understood from a then contemporary point of view. They didn't have Iphones with 5-6 Bible versions, as I do, including Hebrew, Greek and Korean, where they could instantly cross reference any other verses.
Korean because my wife is Korean and she sometimes asks me about certain verses.

Yes I can...and did. If I responded rather later than you liked...well, get used to disappointment. "Just to put me in my place."? Like that will ever happen...

 

[Lazarus Short]

How is any of this me commenting on Jesus' purpose? I did not say you were back handed. I said a backhanded way of saying something.

Splitting hairs, and let's let Jesus speak for Himself, shall we?

 

[Der Alte]

Yes I can...and did. If I responded rather later than you liked...well, get used to disappointment. "Just to put me in my place."? Like that will ever happen...

Overblown opinion of self importance. Please link to any post where you framed these passages in a UR framework, Matthew 25:31-46 Hebrews 9:27, Hebrews 10:27, James 2:13, 2 Peter 2:9, 2 Peter 3:7,
Matthew 7:22-23

 

[Der Alte]

Splitting hairs, and let's let Jesus speak for Himself, shall we?

Hardly the difference between addressing the action vice the person. I already did. e.g. Matthew 25:31-46 , Matthew 7:21-23

When Jesus said "Not everyone who says "Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven." Did He really mean some day?

 

[ozso]

Overblown opinion of self importance.

That's hilarious coming from you.

 

[Lazarus Short]

Overblown opinion of self importance.

Possible, but is the above an overblown opinion?

 

[ozso]

For those who claim the high ground spiritually, the act of 'ribbing' seems to be out of place. It also becomes a poor excuse as a replacement for the effort it takes to do and apply hermeneutics and exegesis.

Why don't you get back to the subject instead of talking about yourself and griping about others?

 

[Lazarus Short]

Hardly the difference between addressing the action vice the person. I already did. e.g. Matthew 25:31-46 , Matthew 7:21-23

When Jesus said "Not everyone who says "Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven." Did He really mean some day?

Time will tell, and I notice that we choose to quote different statements by our Lord and Master.

 

[Lazarus Short]

I see that posts are evaporating, so I'm going to bow out for a while.

 

[Hmm]

I see that posts are evaporating, so I'm going to bow out for a while.

I don't blame you but I look forward to reading future posts from you.

 

[Der Alte]

Time will tell, and I notice that we choose to quote different statements by our Lord and Master.

Of course, the UR group always does that, quotes only those verses which appear to or can be made to appear to support UR. And when verses which contradict the UR narrative are quoted always "That verse doesn't really say that, it says<something else.>" Didn't you tell me a few posts back in this thread that you could and did frame all these vss. in a UR framework?
Matthew 25:31-46 , Hebrews 9:27, Hebrews 10:27, James 2:13, 2 Peter 2:9, 2 Peter 3:7, Matthew 7:22-23
OBTW I'm waiting.